Re: [EM] FairVote comment on Burlington dumping IRV

2013-07-04 Thread Jameson Quinn
OK. I think we can work this out. Before I make more arguments, I'm going to try to explain the disagreements as I see them, and ask you more about what you're saying. A. MAV vs. ER-Bucklin (ERB, though we should probably find a better name at some point). That is, completion using above-median,

Re: [EM] FairVote comment on Burlington dumping IRV

2013-07-04 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 11:38 AM 7/4/2013, Jameson Quinn wrote: OK. I think we can work this out. Before I make more arguments, I'm going to try to explain the disagreements as I see them, and ask you more about what you're saying. A. MAV vs. ER-Bucklin (ERB, though we should probably find a better name at some

Re: [EM] FairVote comment on Burlington dumping IRV

2013-07-04 Thread Jameson Quinn
I think your analysis of my scenario is generally right on. (I changed the last candidate with 6 voters from X to RR at the last minute, which changed the EMAV winner from CL to CR) But I think you're missing my main point, which is that there are more strategies available under EMAV than under

Re: [EM] FairVote comment on Burlington dumping IRV

2013-07-04 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 01:00 AM 7/3/2013, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: http://www.fairvote.org/lessons-from-burlington#.UdOvX2LE0XY (March 4, 2010) Let me cut to the chase. Despite winning in five of the city's seven wards, the use of instant runoff voting (IRV) for mayor was repealed this week by a margin of less

Re: [EM] FairVote comment on Burlington dumping IRV

2013-07-04 Thread David L Wetzell
52% is barely a defeat and a huge turnout in wards against IRV could also reflect hard to prove fraud or a possibly an off-the-books well-funded GOTV campaign. IOW, there is no smoking gun or clear indictment against IRV due to the politicking and slim margin. So I'd hope you'd be a more careful

Re: [EM] FairVote comment on Burlington dumping IRV

2013-07-03 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 12:31 AM 7/3/2013, Jameson Quinn wrote: Abd, I noticed something. I don't want to jump to any conclusions, so I'm asking you directly. 2013/7/3 Abd ul-Rahman Lomax mailto:a...@lomaxdesign.coma...@lomaxdesign.com ... Bucklin ... You said Bucklin, not EMAV. So, two questions and a comment:

Re: [EM] FairVote comment on Burlington dumping IRV

2013-07-03 Thread Jameson Quinn
2013/7/3 Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com At 12:31 AM 7/3/2013, Jameson Quinn wrote: Abd, I noticed something. I don't want to jump to any conclusions, so I'm asking you directly. 2013/7/3 Abd ul-Rahman Lomax mailto:a...@lomaxdesign.coma** b...@lomaxdesign.com a...@lomaxdesign.com

Re: [EM] FairVote comment on Burlington dumping IRV

2013-07-03 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 04:17 PM 7/3/2013, Jameson Quinn wrote: 2013/7/3 Abd ul-Rahman Lomax mailto:a...@lomaxdesign.coma...@lomaxdesign.com EMAV is not a known method, it's brand new, I just announced it, and this is a general post, not about details about the specific method. I find it encouraging that you

[EM] FairVote comment on Burlington dumping IRV

2013-07-02 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
http://www.fairvote.org/lessons-from-burlington#.UdOvX2LE0XY (March 4, 2010) Let me cut to the chase. Despite winning in five of the city’s seven wards, the use of instant runoff voting (IRV) for mayor was repealed this week by a margin of less than 4% in Vermont’s largest city of

Re: [EM] FairVote comment on Burlington dumping IRV

2013-07-02 Thread Jameson Quinn
Abd, I noticed something. I don't want to jump to any conclusions, so I'm asking you directly. 2013/7/3 Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com ... Bucklin ... You said Bucklin, not EMAV. So, two questions and a comment: Q1. Why did you change? Q2. Is there anything that would convince