Re: [Election-Methods] Clone related problems in Range/Approval Juho

2008-04-22 Thread Juho
On Apr 22, 2008, at 7:12 , Kevin Venzke wrote: If the method fails (picks a bad winner) when the field can't be narrowed to three viable candidates in time for the election, or when the candidates can't be interpreted to fit on a 1D spectrum, I'd say that's ok. The first problem is

Re: [Election-Methods] Clone related problems in Range/Approval Juho

2008-04-21 Thread Kevin Venzke
Hi, --- Juho [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : On Apr 17, 2008, at 16:39 , Kevin Venzke wrote: Hi, The claim that I don't recall having seen before is that in Range and Approval it makes sense to the parties not to nominate multiple candidates. I've made this claim as well. When

Re: [Election-Methods] Clone related problems in Range/Approval

2008-04-20 Thread Juho
On Apr 17, 2008, at 16:39 , Kevin Venzke wrote: Hi, The claim that I don't recall having seen before is that in Range and Approval it makes sense to the parties not to nominate multiple candidates. I've made this claim as well. When we're lucky enough to have three viable candidates

Re: [Election-Methods] Clone related problems in Range/Approval

2008-04-20 Thread Juho
On Apr 18, 2008, at 21:56 , Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: The claim that advanced election methods, starting with IRV, will reduce negative campaigning is pure fluff I agree that this is mostly a problem of its own, not that much linked to the used vote counting procedures. There are

Re: [Election-Methods] Clone related problems in Range/Approval

2008-04-17 Thread Kevin Venzke
Hi, The claim that I don't recall having seen before is that in Range and Approval it makes sense to the parties not to nominate multiple candidates. I've made this claim as well. When we're lucky enough to have three viable candidates I tend to assume that either the center is running as

Re: [Election-Methods] Clone related problems in Range/Approval

2008-04-16 Thread Dave Ketchum
I choose to ignore Approval and Range Voting, to concentrate on Condorcet. On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 06:50:34 -0700 Steve Eppley wrote: Hi, ... Juho also made a point about whether a similar problem might exist given ranked ballot voting methods. Voters could have trouble ranking all their

Re: [Election-Methods] Clone related problems in Range/Approval

2008-04-14 Thread Juho Laatu
It was pointed out to me that this is actually the Burr dilemma. I should have remembered this example. Just coming to the same conclusions using a different route. I guess the conclusions are valid, and in addition to Approval and Range there are some implications also on the ranked

Re: [Election-Methods] Clone related problems in Range/Approval

2008-04-14 Thread Steve Eppley
Hi, I've been making the claims Juho described below, that enough spoiling potential exists in Approval and Range Voting to deter parties from nominating more than one candidate, periodically for several years in this maillist, beginning with Approval. The problem, as I see it, is that many

[Election-Methods] Clone related problems in Range/Approval

2008-04-13 Thread Juho
Let's assume that the set of candidates consists of groups of clones. For example there can be multiple parties and each of these parties has multiple candidates. We further assume that typical voter preferences are such that they prefer all their own party candidates clearly over the