[EM] Kristofer: Proxy DD

2011-12-01 Thread MIKE OSSIPOFF
Kristofer: I'd said: The solution: Choose someone honest, as your proxy. That's a big difference from ordinary representation. You, and you only, choose your proxy. If you don't think anyone is honest, then don't use a proxy. I should add: If proxy-honesty is a problem, then remember

Re: [EM] More non-altruistic attacks on IRV usage.

2011-12-01 Thread robert bristow-johnson
On 12/1/11 5:14 PM, David L Wetzell wrote: KM:If the cost of campaigning is high enough that only the two major parties can play the game, then money (what you call $peech) will still have serious influence. dlw:My understanding/political theory is that $peech is inevitable and

Re: [EM] More non-altruistic attacks on IRV usage.

2011-12-01 Thread Dave Ketchum
Trying one more time to start a sales pitch for switching from IRV to Condorcet. On Dec 1, 2011, at 10:18 PM, robert bristow-johnson wrote: On 12/1/11 5:14 PM, David L Wetzell wrote: KM:If the cost of campaigning is high enough that only the two major parties can play the game, then

Re: [EM] More non-altruistic attacks on IRV usage.

2011-12-01 Thread robert bristow-johnson
On 12/1/11 11:33 PM, Dave Ketchum wrote: Trying one more time to start a sales pitch for switching from IRV to Condorcet. well regarding me, you're preaching to the choir. -- r b-j r...@audioimagination.com Imagination is more important than knowledge.

Re: [EM] More non-altruistic attacks on IRV usage.

2011-12-01 Thread Jameson Quinn
This thread now has 50 messages, back-and-forth. I'll try to make this my last word on the subject. Basically, the bottom line for me is that I trust real evidence more than I trust theory, but I need to find room to take hopeful action. That's not a matter of building an elaborate model of