Re: [Election-Methods] Simple two candidate election

On Dec 22, 2007 8:04 PM, Jan Kok <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > And then they'd probably stop by his house on the way home and > > burn it to the ground. > > :-) A good illustration of people having a "strong preference", eh? :-) > > > G - [Z] voters wouldn't care as much, and would tend to concentr

Re: [Election-Methods] Simple two candidate election

At 01:32 AM 12/22/2007, rob brown wrote: >Your example is for more than two candidates. Well, it might seem that way. But there are really only two choices that make any sense. The third pizza type was in there simply to make the normalization scores make sense. If it's not there, there is a pr

[Election-Methods] Fwd: FYI - FairVote MN Responds to Lawsuit Against IRV

- What do you think of this lawsuit? Kathy -- Forwarded message -- From: Raging Grannie (Wanda B) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Dec 22, 2007 8:19 PM Subject: FYI - FairVote MN Responds to Lawsuit Against IRV go to FairVoteMN.org if you have trouble viewing t

Re: [Election-Methods] Simple two candidate election

On Dec 21, 2007 1:02 PM, rob brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Dec 21, 2007 7:41 AM, Jan Kok <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Here's another, similar scenario. The choices are: > > A. All people pay income tax in proportion to their income. > > B. People whose last names begin with A through F p

Re: [Election-Methods] Simple two candidate election

Just a quick followup to Abd, since I think my message may have gotten lost in a long post of interspersed replies. I still want to ask a very, very simple question, and I don't think you answered it. But this time I will go to some extra effort to make sure it is interpreted for the simple quest

[Election-Methods] Release: How Easy is it to Audit Elections with 95% Confidence-level?

RELEASE: http://electionarchive.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=148&Itemid=41 HOW EASY IS IT TO AUDIT ELECTIONS WITH 95% CONFIDENCE-LEVEL? The National Election Data Archive Park City, UT December 22, 2007 A new analysis using Utah's 2004 General Election results, finds that obtain

Re: [Election-Methods] Borda-elimination, a Condorcet method for public elections?

On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 22:03:03 - James Gilmour wrote: > Dave Ketchum > Sent: 22 December 2007 21:52 > >>Out of all this I see very little possible use for differences: > > > That is the problem. So you will continue to describe the different ballots > and voting systems incorrectly. Topic o

Re: [Election-Methods] Borda-elimination, a Condorcet method for public elections?

Dave Ketchum > Sent: 22 December 2007 21:52 > > Out of all this I see very little possible use for differences: That is the problem. So you will continue to describe the different ballots and voting systems incorrectly. James Gilmour No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Fre

[Election-Methods] RE : Re: RE : Re: Borda-elimination, a Condorcet method for public elections?

Jonathan, --- Jonathan Lundell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit : > It's easy to produce a counterexample for a multiple-seat STV > election. Here the voter must deal with two different contingencies: > my first choice might be eliminated, or my first choice might be > elected with a surplus. My

Re: [Election-Methods] Borda-elimination, a Condorcet method for public elections?

On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 19:46:07 - James Gilmour wrote: >>On Dec 22, 2007, at 6:45 AM, James Gilmour wrote: >> >>>If you wish to utilise in some way all the information that could be >>>recorded on a preferential ballot, that is a completely >>>different voting system from IRV, with different objec

Re: [Election-Methods] Borda-elimination, a Condorcet method for public elections?

On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 19:09:49 - James Gilmour wrote: > Dave Ketchum > Sent: 22 December 2007 18:01 > >>Conceded that some could like IRV, even after understanding what it does. > > > It wasn't my intent to make any point for or against IRV, but it interesting > another thread is discussing

Re: [Election-Methods] RE : Re: Borda-elimination, a Condorcet method for public elections?

On Dec 22, 2007, at 11:55 AM, Kevin Venzke wrote: > Jonathan, > > --- Jonathan Lundell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit : >> On Dec 22, 2007, at 6:45 AM, James Gilmour wrote: >>> If you wish to utilise in some way all the information that could be >>> recorded on a preferential ballot, that is a comple

[Election-Methods] RE : Re: Borda-elimination, a Condorcet method for public elections?

Jonathan, --- Jonathan Lundell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit : > On Dec 22, 2007, at 6:45 AM, James Gilmour wrote: > > If you wish to utilise in some way all the information that could be > > recorded on a preferential ballot, that is a completely > > different voting system from IRV, with differe

Re: [Election-Methods] Borda-elimination, a Condorcet method for public elections?

> On Dec 22, 2007, at 6:45 AM, James Gilmour wrote: > > If you wish to utilise in some way all the information that could be > > recorded on a preferential ballot, that is a completely > > different voting system from IRV, with different objectives. The > > preferences are no longer 'contingency

Re: [Election-Methods] Borda-elimination, a Condorcet method for public elections?

Dave Ketchum > Sent: 22 December 2007 18:01 > > Conceded that some could like IRV, even after understanding what it does. It wasn't my intent to make any point for or against IRV, but it interesting another thread is discussing the reasons for the use of IRV and the non-use of Condorcet in publ

Re: [Election-Methods] Borda-elimination, a Condorcet method for public elections?

On Dec 22, 2007, at 6:45 AM, James Gilmour wrote: > If you wish to utilise in some way all the information that could be > recorded on a preferential ballot, that is a completely > different voting system from IRV, with different objectives. The > preferences are no longer 'contingency choice

Re: [Election-Methods] Borda-elimination, a Condorcet method for public elections?

Conceded that some could like IRV, even after understanding what it does. HOWEVER, what it does is hidden behind its advertising, and its popularity should plummet like a rock if a true description was seen by more. The description does not have to say "failure", as I see appropriate - jus

Re: [Election-Methods] Borda-elimination, a Condorcet method for public elections?

Dave Ketchum > Sent: 22 December 2007 01:35 > The standard method of describing IRV skips its problem of failures due to > not looking at all that the ballot says - so implied understanding aids > its acceptance without bothering with true understanding. To say that the standard method describin

Re: [Election-Methods] Borda-elimination, a Condorcet method for public elections?

One more thought on adaptation of the Condorcet methods. If one wants to promote the Condorcet methods I think the most effective way would be to establish a group (maybe with a web page) that would concentrate simply on saying that the Condorcet methods are generally considered to be the be

Re: [Election-Methods] Simple two candidate election

On Dec 21, 2007 8:10 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > At 01:59 PM 12/20/2007, rob brown wrote: > >My understanding has been that in a simple two candidate election, > >there isn't any need for alternative election methods, and all the > >issues that condorcet/approval/range etc