[EM] Idea for a free web service for (relatively) secure online voting

2008-10-04 Thread Mike Frank
Hello, I was thinking of building a free public web service, perhaps operated by a charitable NPO, that would allow organizations (including perhaps small governments) to operate online elections in a way that offers some sophisticated modern security features. In addition to taking standard

Re: [EM] Why We Shouldn't Count Votes with Machines

2008-10-04 Thread Terry Bouricius
To put a different slant on James Gilmour's message bout fraud vs. wasted votes under plurality voting... I'm sure Kathy Dopp (on this list for a few months now) will note that high level fraud is possible without detection on current voting technology, which is why systems should be

Re: [EM] Why We Shouldn't Count Votes with Machines

2008-10-04 Thread Mike Frank
Kathy Dopp wrote: In fact there has never been even a theoretical design for an electronic voting system or even electronic paper ballot vote counting system that does not have known security leaks. In my design, whether or not there are security holes in the vote-counting system itself, the

Re: [EM] Why We Shouldn't Count Votes with Machines

2008-10-04 Thread James Gilmour
Just for the record - Raph Frank Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 11:27 PM On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 12:00 PM, James Gilmour Here in Scotland there is a somewhat hidden debate that must be had. STV-PR was introduced for local government elections in 2007. The counting rules adopted

Re: [EM] Why We Shouldn't Count Votes with Machines

2008-10-04 Thread Dave Ketchum
THANK YOU, Terry James. Plurality does fine with two candidates, or with one obvious winner over others. It is unable, even with top-two Runoffs, to satisfy voter needs to identify: Best - hoped for winner. Next - hoped for if best loses. Remainder - not as good as above.

Re: [EM] the 'who' and the 'what' - trying again

2008-10-04 Thread Dave Ketchum
On Sat, 4 Oct 2008 01:56:01 -0400 Michael Allan wrote: Dave Ketchum wrote: In simulation there is value, and sometimes excessive temptation, in tailoring test cases to favor a desired result. Maybe try an open simulator. Make the electorate engine pluggable so experimenters can try

Re: [EM] Why We Shouldn't Count Votes with Machines

2008-10-04 Thread Dave Ketchum
On Fri, 3 Oct 2008 18:24:09 -0600 Kathy Dopp wrote: On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 1:23 PM, Dave Ketchum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: More complete defenses are possible with electronics. Totally FALSE statement. Sad that we cannot look at the same reality! Conceded that rogue programmers can do all