Re: [EM] language/framing quibble

2009-01-07 Thread Kristofer Munsterhjelm
Fred Gohlke wrote: Good Morning, Kristofer Thank you very much for the link to the Mother Jones article describing efforts to curtail the utter domination corporations exert over our existence. Perhaps, in time, reason will triumph. [snip] Again, I don't have much to comment on, but I

Re: [EM] Does IRV elect majority winners?

2009-01-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 03:31 PM 1/6/2009, Dave Ketchum wrote: On Mon, 05 Jan 2009 00:19:29 -0500 Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: At 10:28 PM 1/4/2009, Dave Ketchum wrote: On Sun, 04 Jan 2009 16:16:14 -0500 Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: Perhaps. Perhaps not. That can be a *lot* of preparation, and people are busy,

Re: [EM] The Ultimate Lottery Method!

2009-01-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
I wonder if it has been noticed that elections are generally lotteries. Each voter has one vote they own and pay. The risk is that the vote is useless. The payoff is that the vote is effective. Most votes are useless, most of the time. However, in most systems, there are conditions where many

Re: [EM] Does IRV elect majority winners?

2009-01-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 05:46 PM 1/5/2009, Juho Laatu wrote: It is possible that the voters would have liked to take position but for some reason did not know which candidates would be the strongest in this election. This situation is the same for all methods. A second round could improve things. But it may be that

Re: [EM] Does IRV elect majority winners?

2009-01-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 06:14 PM 1/5/2009, James Gilmour wrote: At 07:04 PM 1/2/2009, James Gilmour wrote: So let's try again, with little bit of additional information that was (more or less) implied first time. At a meeting we need to elect one office-bearer (single-office, single-winner). There are four

Re: [EM] Does IRV elect majority winners?

2009-01-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 07:04 PM 1/5/2009, James Gilmour wrote: It is quite clear (and now agreed) that the winner (A) of the Exhaustive Ballot example had a majority of the votes at the second round and so was the rightful winner of that Exhaustive Ballot. But it would quite wrong to say that candidate A had the

Re: [EM] Does IRV elect majority winners?

2009-01-07 Thread James Gilmour
At 07:04 PM 1/5/2009, James Gilmour wrote: It is quite clear (and now agreed) that the winner (A) of the Exhaustive Ballot example had a majority of the votes at the second round and so was the rightful winner of that Exhaustive Ballot. But it would quite wrong to say that candidate A had

Re: [EM] Does IRV elect majority winners?

2009-01-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 07:44 PM 1/5/2009, Kathy Dopp wrote: IRV/STV cannot claim majority winners, not only because ballots are exhausted and not considered in the final counting round, but also because not all voters' choices are even fairly and equally considered during the counting process - thus resulting in

Re: [EM] Report on the 2006 Burlington Mayoral election.

2009-01-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
I should say at the outset that I will email a spreadsheet with the vote data, on request. It's on the web site I pointed to, but it's a pile of individual files and a little nuisance to download and convert and combine. At 08:56 AM 1/5/2009, Kristofer Munsterhjelm wrote: To my knowledge,

[EM] The structuring of power and the composition of norms by communicative assent

2009-01-07 Thread Michael Allan
I completed a theory outline, and here I'm posting it for the record. Critique is also welcome. Please point out flaws or ommissions. The voting mechanism (delegate cascade) is essentially identical to Abd's delegable proxy. I describe the nuts and bolts of it. I also describe its interface to