Re: [EM] The structuring of power and the composition of norms by communicative assent

2009-01-27 Thread Michael Allan
Dave Ketchum wrote: Real topic here is whether you MEAN secret when you use the word... Scout's honour - when I say 'secret', I mean secret. The vote is anonymous. The voter's identity is undisclosed. All that good stuff, just like a traditional secret ballot. 8^) From Wikipedia, the free

Re: [EM] Why the concept of sincere votes in Range is flawed.

2009-01-27 Thread Juho Laatu
--- On Mon, 26/1/09, James Gilmour jgilm...@globalnet.co.uk wrote: Juho Laatu Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 12:29 AM What I mean is that decision making is such a natural part of everyday life that people are very used to that. Often they even enjoy making decisions (e.g. when

Re: [EM] Why the concept of sincere votes in Range is flawed.

2009-01-27 Thread Juho Laatu
--- On Mon, 26/1/09, Raph Frank raph...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 11:10 AM, Juho Laatu juho4...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Another approach to offering more flexibility (maybe not needed) and more strategy options (maybe not wanted) is to allow the voter to fill the pairwise

Re: [EM] The structuring of power and the composition of norms by communicative assent

2009-01-27 Thread Juho Laatu
--- On Mon, 26/1/09, Michael Allan m...@zelea.com wrote: Two specialized voting systems that intercommunicate (state and public) can give better results than one system, on its own. There are both positive and negative factors. The public vote is maybe more sincere in the sense that

Re: [EM] Why the concept of sincere votes in Range is flawed.

2009-01-27 Thread Juho Laatu
Yes, cyclic votes are not very rational nor required. Also some preference strengths may be illogical (e.g. when opinion AC is weaker than either of AB and BC). In competitive elections weak opinions may often not be needed in general. Juho --- On Tue, 27/1/09, Kristofer Munsterhjelm

Re: [EM] Why the concept of sincere votes in Range is flawed.

2009-01-27 Thread James Gilmour
I had written: I do not even think about putting all the remaining options into any order of preference, much less attempt it. Juho Laatu Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 7:24 PM Same with me. It is however probably not a big problem for you to pick some other product if your favourite

Re: [EM] The structuring of power and the composition of norms by communicative assent!

2009-01-27 Thread Dave Ketchum
On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 14:25:57 -0500 Michael Allan wrote: Dave Ketchum wrote: Real topic here is whether you MEAN secret when you use the word... Scout's honour - when I say 'secret', I mean secret. The vote is anonymous. The voter's identity is undisclosed. All that good stuff, just like

Re: [EM] Fwd: PRESS Release - IRV case appealed!

2009-01-27 Thread Jan Kok
Kathy, Would you explain what you mean by unequal treatment? Thanks, - Jan On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 1:52 PM, Kathy Dopp kathy.d...@gmail.com wrote: FYI, I believe that this appeal by plaintiffs will prevail and I hope that will put an end to IRV/STV in the U.S. I haven't seen a copy of the

Re: [EM] The structuring of power and the composition of norms by communicative assent!

2009-01-27 Thread Michael Allan
Dave Ketchum wrote: Yes and no. What we're discussing is described in the original post, at the top of the thread. The terms are defined there. Is anything unclear there? When? Anyway: Sorry? When was it posted? Jan 6: