Re: [EM] British Colombia considering change to STV

2009-05-03 Thread Kristofer Munsterhjelm
Raph Frank wrote: On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 11:33 PM, Juho Laatu juho4...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: It practice that seems to set the limits to max 4 and min 2 parties/groupings per constituency represented in the Dail. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Members_of_the_30th_D%C3%A1il\ The small constituency

Re: [EM] PR-STV with approval based elimination

2009-05-03 Thread Kristofer Munsterhjelm
Dan Bishop wrote: You could use Plurality (with vote-splitting between equally ranked candidates) to determine surpluses and a different method to determine eliminations. For example, [snip] So the winning set is {Andre, Escher, Gore}. Coincidentally, the same as the CPO-STV result.

Re: [EM] British Colombia considering change to STV

2009-05-03 Thread James Gilmour
Raph Frank Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 1:51 AM I think a candidate list system is better though as it allows more general inheritance ordering. Ofc, it is always going to be a tradeoff between precision and complexity (both for the count and for the voter). Closed party list Open

Re: [EM] British Colombia considering change to STV

2009-05-03 Thread Raph Frank
2009/5/3 James Gilmour jgilm...@globalnet.co.uk: So the questions that must be answered first are not about the degree of proportionality or the complexity of the ballot, or even the size of the districts, but about what the voting system is intended to achieve in terms of representation.  

Re: [EM] British Colombia considering change to STV

2009-05-03 Thread Raph Frank
On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 10:37 AM, Kristofer Munsterhjelm km-el...@broadpark.no wrote: I think Schulze's MMP idea would work well here. Use STV (or some other neutral method) for district seats, then top up by nationwide MMP. His concept includes ways of fixing the decoy list problem (basically,

Re: [EM] British Colombia considering change to STV

2009-05-03 Thread Kathy Dopp
I don't think that IRV/STV is even worth wasting time discussing unless you fully support the following: 1. treating voters' ballots inequitably by counting 2nd and 3rd choices of only some voters, counting the 2nd and 3rd choices of even fewer cvoters in a timely fashion when those candidates