[EM] simple definition of Schulze method?

2009-06-04 Thread Árpád Magosányi
Hi! I am planning to initialize a referenda in my country to change our voting system. I want to propose Condorcet, and want to draft the referenda question in a way which makes no room for the legistrator to fall back to some ancient method when there is no Condorcet winner. I prefer Schulze

Re: [EM] simple definition of Schulze method?

2009-06-04 Thread Stéphane Rouillon
Hello, I can suggest: Do you agree to vote our parliament members with the Schulze version of Condorcet methods? For which country? Stéphane, curious... Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 15:46:27 +0200 From: mag...@rabic.org To: election-methods@lists.electorama.com Subject: [EM] simple

Re: [EM] simple definition of Schulze method?

2009-06-04 Thread Markus Schulze
Hallo, this is my suggestion: Shall the current election method be replaced by the Schulze method, a preferential and Condorcet-consistent single-winner election method? Markus Schulze Election-Methods mailing list - see http://electorama.com/em for list info

Re: [EM] simple definition of Schulze method?

2009-06-04 Thread Bob Richard
Árpád, I have two questions. (1) How is the legislature of your country currently elected? As James Gilmour also said, replacing a proportional method with single-member districts would be a big step backwards. (2) Does your country have a directly-elected President, or elected mayors in

Re: [EM] simple definition of Schulze method?

2009-06-04 Thread Markus Schulze
Hallo, Bob Richard wrote (4 June 2009): I did not consider the possibility that the country in question would have a mixed member proportional system. In this case, there are 175 single-seat constituencies, plus two more tiers, one parallel (I think) and one compensatory. By the way, I

Re: [EM] simple definition of Schulze method?

2009-06-04 Thread Juho Laatu
You could try to describe the very central Condorcet principle in an understandable way and then add Schulze as an attribute (just as a name that is not explained in detail) if you want and need to point out that particular Condorcet method. Maybe something like Would you like to use the Schulze

Re: [EM] simple definition of Schulze method?

2009-06-04 Thread Raph Frank
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 11:17 PM, Juho Laatujuho4...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Maybe something like Would you like to use the Schulze method that always elects the candidate that would win every other candidate? What about Would you like to elect the candidate would win one on one against every

Re: [EM] simple definition of Schulze method?

2009-06-04 Thread James Gilmour
2009/6/4 James Gilmour jgilm...@globalnet.co.uk Markus, UK electors have no hope of understanding that question at all after any campaign, never mind not instantly. And of those who would vote, large numbers would go to vote with very little prior information. Just two weeks before

Re: [EM] voting methods

2009-06-04 Thread Árpád Magosányi
I guess the list might have opininons in this discussion. 2009/6/4 Warren Smith warren@gmail.com I am using winning strategy in the game theory sense. --voting is then an N-player game with N very large. Most or all attempts to look at voting in that way have been unsuccessful. Game