Re: [EM] STV - the transferrable part is OK (fair), the sequential round elimination is not

2009-11-03 Thread Juho
If one really wants a two-party system and doesn't want voters to change that fact then one could ban third parties and accept only two. That would solve the spoiler problem :-). From this point of view e.g. the US system is not really intended to be a two-party system but just a system

Re: [EM] STV - the transferrable part is OK (fair), the sequential round elimination is not

2009-11-03 Thread Raph Frank
On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 7:41 AM, Kristofer Munsterhjelm km-el...@broadpark.no wrote: Raph Frank wrote: If there are 5 seats and you have 20%+ of the votes, you are guaranteed to get 1 seat under both d'Hondt and Droop. There is a typo there, I meant 4 seats and 20%+ (I replied in a different

Re: [EM] STV - the transferrable part is OK (fair), the sequential round elimination is not

2009-11-03 Thread James Gilmour
Kristofer Munsterhjelm Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 3:27 PM Juho wrote: If one really wants a two-party system and doesn't want voters to change that fact then one could ban third parties and accept only two. That would solve the spoiler problem :-). Who is this one? Since that

Re: [EM] STV - the transferrable part is OK (fair), the sequential round elimination is not

2009-11-03 Thread Kristofer Munsterhjelm
James Gilmour wrote: Kristofer Munsterhjelm Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 3:27 PM Juho wrote: If one really wants a two-party system and doesn't want voters to change that fact then one could ban third parties and accept only two. That would solve the spoiler problem :-). Who is this

Re: [EM] STV - the transferrable part is OK (fair), the sequential round elimination is not

2009-11-03 Thread Kristofer Munsterhjelm
Raph Frank wrote: On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 7:41 AM, Kristofer Munsterhjelm km-el...@broadpark.no wrote: Raph Frank wrote: If there are 5 seats and you have 20%+ of the votes, you are guaranteed to get 1 seat under both d'Hondt and Droop. There is a typo there, I meant 4 seats and 20%+ (I

Re: [EM] STV - the transferrable part is OK (fair), the sequential round elimination is not

2009-11-03 Thread James Gilmour
Kristofer Munsterhjelm Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 4:34 PM James Gilmour wrote: Why in any country that would merit the description democracy would you want to impose a two-party system when the votes of the voters showed that was not what they wanted? That is my question, too.

Re: [EM] STV - the transferrable part is OK (fair), the sequential round elimination is not

2009-11-03 Thread Raph Frank
On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 4:53 PM, Kristofer Munsterhjelm km-el...@broadpark.no wrote: The effect is that it is harder for parties to get their first seat. Parties with 2 or more seats are no affected. Is that true? Consider a maximally unfair variant, something like 2.999, 3, 5, 7, 9... Now

[EM] press release on voting methods - help distribute it

2009-11-03 Thread Warren Smith
The press release is http://RangeVoting.org/Nov09PR.html and tries to use the news hook (US elections) to create publicity about voting methods. Please send me (warren.wds AT gmail.com) any criticisms, and please notify everybody you can think of in the press, of this. thank you -- Warren D.

[EM] Kathy D, would you be so kind to respond to the question i asked?

2009-11-03 Thread robert bristow-johnson
thanx, r b-j On Oct 31, 2009, at 12:18 PM, robert bristow-johnson wrote: On Oct 31, 2009, at 10:29 AM, Kathy Dopp wrote: 5. It always amazes me how irrationally the supporters of IRV/STV support a nonmonotonic system that creates more problems than it solves when there are clearly better

Re: [EM] STV - the transferrable part is OK (fair), the sequential round elimination is not

2009-11-03 Thread Juho
On Nov 3, 2009, at 5:27 PM, Kristofer Munsterhjelm wrote: Juho wrote: If one really wants a two-party system and doesn't want voters to change that fact then one could ban third parties and accept only two. That would solve the spoiler problem :-). Who is this one? Since that one is at odds

Re: [EM] STV - the transferrable part is OK (fair), the sequential round elimination is not

2009-11-03 Thread Juho
I commented in another mail that any system where people can change the system itself can be said to be a democracy. Even a two party system that bans third parties may still fall within this definition. Also multi-party systems have the same problem although in a milder form. The