Re: [EM] Smith, FPP fails Minimal Defense and Clone-Winner (was Burlington Vermont repeals IRV 52% to 48%)

2010-03-10 Thread Juho
On Mar 10, 2010, at 7:08 AM, robert bristow-johnson wrote: thanks, Chris. i will ponder this. i understand RP and (i think) Schulze, at least how the mechanisms go, but i'll admit i haven't been as invested in *how* to resolve cycles or *which* Condorcet method is best as much as i am

[EM] Smith, FPP fails Minimal Defense and Clone-Winner

2010-03-10 Thread Chris Benham
Robert Bristow-Johnson  wrote (9 March 2010): snip so, keeping RP, Schulze in mind for later, what would be a good  scheme for resolving cycles by use of elimination of candidates?   what would be a good (that is resistant to more anomalies) and  simple method to identify the weakest candidate

Re: [EM] Burlington Vermont repeals IRV 52% to 48%

2010-03-10 Thread Kristofer Munsterhjelm
Chris Benham wrote: Kristofer Munsterhjelm wrote (6 March 2010): Another benefit to Ranked Pairs is that you don't have to confuse matters with WV versus Margins. snip Kristofer, Why is that?! That certainly is a benefit of Smith//Approval. It's not the only method where you don't

Re: [EM] Smith, FPP fails Minimal Defense and Clone-Winner

2010-03-10 Thread Kristofer Munsterhjelm
Juho wrote: On Mar 10, 2010, at 7:08 AM, robert bristow-johnson wrote: so, keeping RP, Schulze in mind for later, what would be a good scheme for resolving cycles by use of elimination of candidates? what would be a good (that is resistant to more anomalies) and simple method to identify

Re: [EM] Smith, FPP fails Minimal Defense and Clone-Winner

2010-03-10 Thread Juho
On Mar 10, 2010, at 7:26 PM, Kristofer Munsterhjelm wrote: Juho wrote: On Mar 10, 2010, at 7:08 AM, robert bristow-johnson wrote: so, keeping RP, Schulze in mind for later, what would be a good scheme for resolving cycles by use of elimination of candidates? what would be a good (that

Re: [EM] Smith, FPP fails Minimal Defense and Clone-Winner

2010-03-10 Thread Raph Frank
On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 9:24 PM, Juho juho4...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Another approach to systems between proportional representation and the two-party approach could be to have a proportional method but use districts with only very few representatives (2, 3,...). That would provide rough but in

Re: [EM] Smith, FPP fails Minimal Defense and Clone-Winner

2010-03-10 Thread Juho
On Mar 10, 2010, at 11:35 PM, Raph Frank wrote: On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 9:24 PM, Juho juho4...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Another approach to systems between proportional representation and the two-party approach could be to have a proportional method but use districts with only very few

Re: [EM] Smith, FPP fails Minimal Defense and Clone-Winner

2010-03-10 Thread Raph Frank
On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 10:12 PM, Juho juho4...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: I didn't quite understand your question. The method could also be non-party-list-based (like STV). It depended on what you meant by 1/N of the votes. I was just wondering if you were doing national level rebalancing, like MMP

Re: [EM] Smith, FPP fails Minimal Defense and Clone-Winner

2010-03-10 Thread James Gilmour
Raph Frank Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 12:13 AM I had a look at the 2008 House election results, and there are a reasonable number of districts where one candidate got more than 2/3, so maybe it isn't as big an issue as I thought. OTOH, maybe it was that in those districts, the

Re: [EM] Smith, FPP fails Minimal Defense and Clone-Winner

2010-03-10 Thread Juho
On Mar 11, 2010, at 2:13 AM, Raph Frank wrote: On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 10:12 PM, Juho juho4...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: I didn't quite understand your question. The method could also be non-party-list-based (like STV). It depended on what you meant by 1/N of the votes. I was just wondering if you