Re: [EM] Record activity on the EM list?

2011-08-04 Thread Juho Laatu
Yes, there are areas where single-winner methods are more challenging. For example multi-winner STV works better than single-winner STV, and it is easier to collect sincere ratings in multi-winner methods than in single-winner methods. On the other hand the field of study may be wider in

Re: [EM] Record activity on the EM list?

2011-08-04 Thread James Gilmour
There is only one real issue in elections: representation of the voters. If in a single winner partisan election the voters vote 51% for A and 49% for B, we have a major problem in representation. But if the voters vote in the same way (51% to 49%) in a two-member election, any sensible voting

[EM] SODA and the Condorcet criterion

2011-08-04 Thread Jameson Quinn
Here's the new text on the SODA pagehttp://wiki.electorama.com/wiki/Simple_Optionally-Delegated_Approval#Criteria_Compliancerelating to the Condorcet criterion: It fails the Condorcet criterionhttp://wiki.electorama.com/wiki/Condorcet_criterion, although the majority Condorcet winner over the

Re: [EM] A DSV method inspired by SODA

2011-08-04 Thread Jameson Quinn
I suspect that SODA would be Condorcet compliant (over ballots) if the first player was, not the DSC winner, but the DAC winner (re-ordering between each delegated assignment). I'll see if I can work up a proof on this. JQ 2011/7/30 fsimm...@pcc.edu One of the features of SODA is a step where

Re: [EM] A DSV method inspired by SODA

2011-08-04 Thread fsimmons
Of course DSC and DAC are the same when rankings are complete. I was only going to use it to determine the first player, and with amalgamated factions (almost surely) the rankings would be complete. Of course there are many variations of this DSV idea [e.g. we could use chiastic approval to

Re: [EM] A DSV method inspired by SODA

2011-08-04 Thread Jameson Quinn
2011/8/4 fsimm...@pcc.edu Of course DSC and DAC are the same when rankings are complete. I was only going to use it to determine the first player, and with amalgamated factions (almost surely) the rankings would be complete. Yes, understood. I on the other hand was speaking of using this

Re: [EM] Amalgamation details, hijacking, and free-riding

2011-08-04 Thread fsimmons
- Original Message - From: Jameson Quinn Date: Wednesday, August 3, 2011 4:10 pm Subject: Re: Amalgamation details, hijacking, and free-riding To: fsimm...@pcc.edu Cc: election-methods@lists.electorama.com 2011/8/3 So if the true preferences are 20 AB 45 C? 35 (something

Re: [EM] Amalgamation details, hijacking, and free-riding

2011-08-04 Thread Jameson Quinn
2011/8/4 fsimm...@pcc.edu - Original Message - From: Jameson Quinn Date: Wednesday, August 3, 2011 4:10 pm Subject: Re: Amalgamation details, hijacking, and free-riding To: fsimm...@pcc.edu Cc: election-methods@lists.electorama.com 2011/8/3 So if the true preferences are

[EM] SODA and the Condorcet criterion

2011-08-04 Thread fsimmons
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Re: [EM] SODA and the Condorcet criterion

2011-08-04 Thread Jameson Quinn
2011/8/4 fsimm...@pcc.edu I want to thank Jameson for taking the ball and running with it on SODA. I really appreciate his talented and energetic work on elaborating, explaining, and selling the method. Thank you. More stuff I've added to the SODA page recently: -I tried to unify the

Re: [EM] [RangeVoting] Re: Range Voting As an Issue

2011-08-04 Thread Dave Ketchum
Here I talk of moving up from FPP to Range or Condorcet. I do not get into other single-winner elections or into multi-winner elections - while such deserve considering, they distract from my primary goal, which is to promote moving upward without getting buried in details. Voters should

Re: [EM] [RangeVoting] Re: Range Voting As an Issue

2011-08-04 Thread robert bristow-johnson
On Aug 4, 2011, at 3:20 AM, bob wrote: --- In rangevot...@yahoogroups.com, thenewthirdparty thenewthirdparty@... wrote: Guys and Gals, I now see Range Voting as a very important component to getting third parties elected. But I don't see how the Range Voting group will ever change the