Re: [EM] question about Schulze example (A,B,M1,M2)

2011-10-29 Thread Kristofer Munsterhjelm
capologist wrote: See section 5 of my paper: Not quite what I'm looking for. That section describes a non-deterministic method for generating a complete linear order. I don't require a linear order. I'm OK with a partial ordering. I'm looking for a deterministic method for generating a

Re: [EM] Proportional, Accountable, Local (PAL) representation: isn't this a big deal?

2011-10-29 Thread Kristofer Munsterhjelm
Jameson Quinn wrote: 2011/10/25 Kristofer Munsterhjelm km_el...@lavabit.com mailto:km_el...@lavabit.com Jameson Quinn wrote: * A multimember-district system helps with the above problems, but doesn't actually solve them. Who wants a system where

Re: [EM] A structural fault in society owing to a design flaw in the electoral system

2011-10-29 Thread Michael Allan
Dear Juho, Fred and others, I discovered something in history that enabled me to include formal equality in the thesis, along with electoral power. I post an expanded abstract/outline for critique. Can anyone see a weak point in the reasoning here? An individual vote in an election has no

Re: [EM] Proportional, Accountable, Local (PAL) representation: isn't this a big deal?

2011-10-29 Thread James Gilmour
Interesting, but not relevant to what Kristofer had actually written. Finland uses a party-list voting system - Kristopher was writing about STV, and specifically about 5-member districts. James -Original Message- From: election-methods-boun...@lists.electorama.com

Re: [EM] Proportional, Accountable, Local (PAL) representation: isn't this a big deal?

2011-10-29 Thread Juho Laatu
I just wanted to point out that actually one can come from open lists towards STV, and from STV towards a party based system with multiple candidates and end up pretty much at the same point. Juho On 29.10.2011, at 20.21, James Gilmour wrote: Interesting, but not relevant to what Kristofer

Re: [EM] question about Schulze example (A,B,M1,M2)

2011-10-29 Thread capologist
On Oct 29, 2011, at 12:29 AM, Kristofer Munsterhjelm wrote: you could (for instance) break them in Ranked Pairs order. A Ranked Pairs tiebreak is fully deterministic. Sort the victories in order of magnitude, then if M1 M2 comes before M2 M1, set M1 above M2. It may feel hackish to