Re: [EM] The Occupy Movement: A Ray of Hope -- in Politics

2011-12-11 Thread Dave Ketchum
I am delighted to hear of this valuable activity. A couple notes: . local, state, federal and global levels are Open_voting_network topics. All except global are important in the US in 2012 as a year in which serious activity is possible - within the framework of current laws, but

Re: [EM] [CES #4194] Re: The Occupy Movement: A Ray of Hope -- in Politics

2011-12-11 Thread Leon Smith
I suppose the existence of this group is worth noting: http://reformact.org/ They were a little naive about election methods at first, advocating Instant Runoff, but they have been receptive and are now open for debate, though they seem to be tentatively arguing for Condorcet. And they take a

Re: [EM] [CES #4194] Re: The Occupy Movement: A Ray of Hope -- inPolitics

2011-12-11 Thread James Gilmour
The trouble with this group, judging by their website, is that, like many other electoral reformers in the USA, they recognise only part of the problem: First Past the Post Voting is Obviously Flawed - most definitely. But they fail to see the bigger picture (representation of voters) and show

[EM] The Occupy Movement: A Ray of Hope -- inPolitics

2011-12-11 Thread Dave Ketchum
On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 11:14 AM, Dave Ketchum da...@clarityconnect.com wrote per this subject - see at end below. Leon Smith added reference to http://reformact.org/ - by a group that offers extensive references and thoughts - worth exploring. On Dec 11, 2011, at 6:06 PM, James Gilmour

[EM] Mike Ossipoff: LRV properties

2011-12-11 Thread fsimmons
Mike, LRV is just another equivalent way of describing MMMPO. The are just MMPO with symmetric completion at the bottom level but not at the top. In addition to FBC it satisfies MAP, KMBE, and U, but not LNHe. MAP means Mono-Add-Plump KMBE means Kevin's MMPO bad-example LNHe means

Re: [EM] [CES #4194] Re: The Occupy Movement: A Ray of Hope -- inPolitics

2011-12-11 Thread Leon Smith
Like I said, these people take a fairly comprehensive view on the issues and do mention proportional representation, which is something that I think most people getting this message do advocate in one form or another: http://reformact.org/act/ I think the demand for 2014 end to FPTP hurts