[EM] Lomax's example has a fallacy. Bruce's argument is ridiculously, blatantly fallacious.

2012-06-03 Thread Michael Ossipoff
Lomax's example has a fallacy: Lomax said that the Republican and the Democrat were considered equally likely to win. We can assume from that that the Republican isn't believed to haves a majority. From the above, the Green should approve the Democrat, by the better-than-expectation strategy.

Re: [EM] My summary of the recent discussion

2012-06-03 Thread Jameson Quinn
2012/6/2 Juho Laatu juho4...@yahoo.co.uk On 2.6.2012, at 18.19, Jameson Quinn wrote: 2) Approval method and its strategies were once more discussed. My understanding is simply that Approval works quite fine as long as there are only one or two winnable candidates, but when there are three

Re: [EM] My summary of the recent discussion

2012-06-03 Thread Juho Laatu
On 3.6.2012, at 22.52, Jameson Quinn wrote: 2012/6/2 Juho Laatu juho4...@yahoo.co.uk On 2.6.2012, at 18.19, Jameson Quinn wrote: 2) Approval method and its strategies were once more discussed. My understanding is simply that Approval works quite fine as long as there are only one or

Re: [EM] My summary of the recent discussion

2012-06-03 Thread Juho Laatu
P.S. In Soda the Approval related problems with more than three potential winners might be easier to handle than in Approval. In Soda we may have all information of the voter approvals and the candidate preferences available, and this may lead to negotiations and consensus decision on how the

[EM] One more thing: If voters just assumed p(R) = p(D)=.5

2012-06-03 Thread Michael Ossipoff
But what if what voters expect of the outcome isn't influenced by the special 3-candidate defection strategy that I spoke of--What if voters merely assumed that the Democrat and the Republican both had .5 probability of winning? Then, as Lomax said, his Green Democrat would have reason to approve

Re: [EM] My summary of the recent discussion

2012-06-03 Thread robert bristow-johnson
On 6/3/12 5:08 PM, Juho Laatu wrote: On 3.6.2012, at 22.52, Jameson Quinn wrote: 2012/6/2 Juho Laatu juho4...@yahoo.co.uk mailto:juho4...@yahoo.co.uk ... One difference is that Approval is a compromise oriented method while Plurality aims at electing from (and forming) large

Re: [EM] My summary of the recent discussion

2012-06-03 Thread Jameson Quinn
2012/6/3 robert bristow-johnson r...@audioimagination.com On 6/3/12 5:08 PM, Juho Laatu wrote: On 3.6.2012, at 22.52, Jameson Quinn wrote: 2012/6/2 Juho Laatu juho4...@yahoo.co.uk mailto:juho4...@yahoo.co.uk ... One difference is that Approval is a compromise oriented method

[EM] In Lomax's example, what if voters _do_ believe p(D)=p(R)=.5?

2012-06-03 Thread Michael Ossipoff
When I said that, with 3 candidates, Middle's preferrers have no reason to approve anyone else, Lomax posted his example. Though I told of its fallacy, what if we suppose that the voters _do_ believe as Lomax said--that the Democrat and Republican have equal probability of winning, and that that