Re: [EM] My summary of the recent discussion

2012-06-04 Thread James Gilmour
I think Plurality can be claimed to be the ideal method for the single-member districts of a two-party system, but then one should maybe also think that third parties should not be allowed to run, and we should stick to the same two parties forever. I don't get it. of course,

Re: [EM] My summary of the recent discussion

2012-06-04 Thread Juho Laatu
On 4.6.2012, at 13.49, James Gilmour wrote: I think Plurality can be claimed to be the ideal method for the single-member districts of a two-party system, but then one should maybe also think that third parties should not be allowed to run, and we should stick to the same two parties

Re: [EM] My summary of the recent discussion

2012-06-04 Thread James Gilmour
what is the scenario with two parties where FPTP is so flawed? Only if you think that third parties and independents should nor run, and there should be only two parties, then Plurality is fine. On 4.6.2012, at 13.49, James Gilmour wrote: These contributions to this discussion

Re: [EM] My summary of the recent discussion

2012-06-04 Thread Juho Laatu
On 4.6.2012, at 19.18, James Gilmour wrote: A system that counts the proportions at national level (typically a multi-party system) would be more accurate. Also gerrymandering can be avoided this way. Yes, the votes could be summed at national level and the seats allocated at national

Re: [EM] Another reason why Greens won't vote Dem, due to previous count results.

2012-06-04 Thread Paul Kislanko
I say again, the academic argument does not meet the real-world. My vote is not going to be influenced by these arguments, and since I'm the only voter in my district likely to read them, they are not likely to match real-world voter experience. NOBODY's expectation is really a sum over anything.

Re: [EM] My summary of the recent discussion

2012-06-04 Thread Juho Laatu
On 5.6.2012, at 1.52, James Gilmour wrote: On 4.6.2012, at 19.18, James Gilmour wrote: A system that counts the proportions at national level (typically a multi-party system) would be more accurate. Also gerrymandering can be avoided this way. Yes, the votes could be summed at national

Re: [EM] Gerrymandering solutions.

2012-06-04 Thread Michael Ossipoff
About gerrymanmdering; PR would be a solution to gerrymandering, but certainly not the only one: 1. Proxy Direct Democracy wouldn't have a gerrymandering problem either. If Proxy DD can be made count-fraud-secure, then it would make PR obsolete. 2. Whatever can be accomplished by PR can be