Re: [EM] Before Voting Methods and Criteria: Outcome Design Goals (long)

2013-07-02 Thread Juho Laatu
On 30.6.2013, at 23.19, Benjamin Grant wrote: I’ve been coming at understanding better the options and choices, merits and flaws of various approaches to holding votes – mostly with the kind (and sometimes not-so-kind) help of the people on this list. However, a (I assume) basic thought

[EM] Quotaless STV-PR suggestion

2013-07-02 Thread Chris Benham
I'd like to propose an STV-like PR method that does without a quota. Here is the procedure for filling 3 seats:   *Voters rank from the top however many candidates they wish.   To fill the first seat, one-at-time 'eliminate' the candidate highest-ranked (among remaining candidates) on the fewest

Re: [EM] My diffs w. Kristofer are not anti-reason.

2013-07-02 Thread David L Wetzell
On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 11:12 AM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.comwrote: At 02:16 PM 6/30/2013, David L Wetzell wrote: I've argued that the combination of aspects of the US political system in our constitution, namely the import of winner-take-all

Re: [EM] Outcome Design Goals

2013-07-02 Thread David L Wetzell
On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 6:57 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.comwrote: At 09:22 AM 7/1/2013, David L Wetzell wrote: Some thoughts. 1. You need to consider the difference between Cardinal and Ordinal Utility. You presume the existence of Cardinal utility. First of all, who is

Re: [EM] Discourse

2013-07-02 Thread Juho Laatu
On 1.7.2013, at 23.12, Benjamin Grant wrote: Thanks for everyone's candor and feedback. I can certainly appreciate how annoying it is to deal with someone like myself that 1) is often asking questions that everyone else had heard many times before and knows the answer by heart, and 2) someone

Re: [EM] Before Voting Methods and Criteria: Outcome Design Goals (long)

2013-07-02 Thread Jameson Quinn
Kristofer nailed it as usual, I have only one small point to add: Let’s assume that we have a magical gift – a super power, if you will. We can know exactly what each voter thinks about each candidate. Now, because this comes from magic, it cannot unfortunately be used as a part of the

Re: [EM] My diffs w. Kristofer are not anti-reason.

2013-07-02 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 01:26 PM 7/2/2013, David L Wetzell wrote: On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 11:12 AM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax mailto:a...@lomaxdesign.coma...@lomaxdesign.com wrote: At 02:16 PM 6/30/2013, David L Wetzell wrote: I've argued that the combination of aspects of the US political system in our constitution,

Re: [EM] Outcome Design Goals

2013-07-02 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
I'm just picking a couple of points from this mostly waste-of-time post. I have not read all of it. At 02:11 PM 7/2/2013, David L Wetzell wrote: On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 6:57 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax mailto:a...@lomaxdesign.coma...@lomaxdesign.com wrote: At 09:22 AM 7/1/2013, David L Wetzell

[EM] FairVote comment on Burlington dumping IRV

2013-07-02 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
http://www.fairvote.org/lessons-from-burlington#.UdOvX2LE0XY (March 4, 2010) Let me cut to the chase. Despite winning in five of the city’s seven wards, the use of instant runoff voting (IRV) for mayor was repealed this week by a margin of less than 4% in Vermont’s largest city of

Re: [EM] FairVote comment on Burlington dumping IRV

2013-07-02 Thread Jameson Quinn
Abd, I noticed something. I don't want to jump to any conclusions, so I'm asking you directly. 2013/7/3 Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com ... Bucklin ... You said Bucklin, not EMAV. So, two questions and a comment: Q1. Why did you change? Q2. Is there anything that would convince