Re: [EM] Holding byelections with PR-STV

2009-09-16 Thread Raph Frank
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 12:01 AM, James Gilmour jgilm...@globalnet.co.uk wrote: The first statement seems logical, but I don't know about the second statement. I don't understand how an elected candidate could be eliminated - sounds like a contradiction of terms. Well, if you just re-run

Re: [EM] Holding byelections with PR-STV

2009-09-15 Thread James Gilmour
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 4:19 PM, James Gilmour wrote: The 'count back' procedure with STV-PR provides an alternative approach to the principle of preserving the proportionality determined at the previous main election. Then the voters would get the proportionality they would have got

Re: [EM] Holding byelections with PR-STV

2009-09-15 Thread Jonathan Lundell
On Sep 15, 2009, at 4:01 PM, James Gilmour wrote: Setting a candidate's keep value to zero should only increase the vote totals of all the other candidates. Thus, all elected candidates would stay elected and Meek's method never changes the keep values to eliminate an elected candidate. The

Re: [EM] Holding byelections with PR-STV

2009-09-14 Thread Raph Frank
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 4:19 PM, James Gilmour jgilm...@globalnet.co.uk wrote: The 'count back' procedure with STV-PR provides an alternative approach to the principle of preserving the proportionality determined at the previous main election. Then the voters would get the proportionality

Re: [EM] Holding byelections with PR-STV

2009-09-14 Thread James Gilmour
Raph Frank Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 2:14 PM One issue with PR-STV is that there is no clear way to handle by-election. My own view is that this discussion started in the wrong place. The first question should have been: How should casual vacancies be filled where election is by

Re: [EM] Holding byelections with PR-STV

2009-09-11 Thread Juho
On Sep 11, 2009, at 1:03 AM, Raph Frank wrote: On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 9:22 PM, Juho juho4...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: The hysteresis function may increase the strategic opportunities since voters could trust that old representatives will be elected in any case and they could try free riding. But

Re: [EM] Holding byelections with PR-STV

2009-09-10 Thread Jonathan Lundell
On Sep 10, 2009, at 6:14 AM, Raph Frank wrote: Also, there is a philosophical argument. The effect of the count back procedure is that people who have died/left the constituency since the last election get their vote counted, while new adults/ people who have move into the constituency

Re: [EM] Holding byelections with PR-STV

2009-09-10 Thread Juho
On Sep 10, 2009, at 6:30 PM, Jonathan Lundell wrote: On Sep 10, 2009, at 6:14 AM, Raph Frank wrote: Also, there is a philosophical argument. The effect of the count back procedure is that people who have died/left the constituency since the last election get their vote counted, while new

Re: [EM] Holding byelections with PR-STV

2009-09-10 Thread Raph Frank
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 9:22 PM, Juho juho4...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: The hysteresis function may increase the strategic opportunities since voters could trust that old representatives will be elected in any case and they could try free riding. But in real life small hysteresis may well not be too