[EM] IRV is best method meeting 'later no harm'?

2009-11-27 Thread Chris Benham
Steve Eppley wrote (26 Nov 2009): Can it be said that Later No Harm (LNH) is satisfied by the variation of IRV that allows candidates to withdraw from contention after the votes are cast? No. Take this classic (on EM) scenario: 49: A 24: B 27: CB A is the normal IRV winner, but in the variation

Re: [EM] IRV is best method meeting 'later no harm'?

2009-11-26 Thread seppley
Can it be said that Later No Harm (LNH) is satisfied by the variation of IRV that allows candidates to withdraw from contention after the votes are cast? Similar to truly condorcetian methods, Withdrawal//IRV would presumably tend to elect candidates who take median positions on the issues. That

Re: [EM] IRV is best method meeting 'later no harm'?

2009-11-26 Thread Raph Frank
On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 8:52 PM, sepp...@alumni.caltech.edu wrote: Similar to truly condorcetian methods, Withdrawal//IRV would presumably tend to elect candidates who take median positions on the issues.  That would create an incentive for candidates who want to win to take median positions.

Re: [EM] IRV is best method meeting 'later no harm'?

2009-11-26 Thread Kristofer Munsterhjelm
sepp...@alumni.caltech.edu wrote: Can it be said that Later No Harm (LNH) is satisfied by the variation of IRV that allows candidates to withdraw from contention after the votes are cast? I'm not sure. In the wider picture, the candidates would use the ballot data in order to determine

Re: [EM] IRV is best method meeting 'later no harm'?

2009-11-26 Thread Jonathan Lundell
On Nov 26, 2009, at 12:52 PM, sepp...@alumni.caltech.edu wrote: Can it be said that Later No Harm (LNH) is satisfied by the variation of IRV that allows candidates to withdraw from contention after the votes are cast? Assuming that the candidates know what the ballots did, then no, it cannot,

Re: [EM] IRV is best method meeting 'later no harm'?

2009-11-26 Thread James Gilmour
sepp...@alumni.caltech.edu wrote: By the way, if my understanding is correct, IRV is not Single Transferable Vote (STV), the single-winner voting method used in Australia Ireland. IRV severely limits the number of candidates each voter can rank (to 3, if my understanding is correct)

Re: [EM] IRV is best method meeting 'later no harm'?

2009-11-25 Thread Kristofer Munsterhjelm
Warren Smith wrote: Are there any other voting methods besides IRV, meeting the 'later no harm' criterion? Woodall's Descending Solid Coalitions method does. Minmax(pairwise opposition) also does, but it has an awful Plurality failure: 1000: A 1:A=C 1:B=C 1000: B and C wins in

Re: [EM] IRV is best method meeting 'later no harm'?

2009-11-25 Thread Jonathan Lundell
On Nov 25, 2009, at 11:41 AM, Warren Smith wrote: Are there any other voting methods besides IRV, meeting the 'later no harm' criterion? Plurality (trivially). Election-Methods mailing list - see http://electorama.com/em for list info