Re: [EM] Time of trouble - Premise 2

2009-03-06 Thread Michael Allan
Juho Laatu wrote: Several cents might make a dollar. There are many small problems that together may make the system fall short of the planned ideal state. Or that together, might not. In arguing that DD is probable, we brought in many factors. But we also detailed how they interrelate, and

Re: [EM] Time of trouble - Premise 2

2009-03-06 Thread Juho Laatu
--- On Fri, 6/3/09, Michael Allan m...@zelea.com wrote: Juho Laatu wrote: Several cents might make a dollar. There are many small problems that together may make the system fall short of the planned ideal state. Or that together, might not. In arguing that DD is probable, we

Re: [EM] Time of trouble - Premise 2

2009-03-04 Thread Juho Laatu
--- On Wed, 4/3/09, Michael Allan m...@zelea.com wrote: ... Are there any strong reverse mechanisms, or blocks, that would be likely to prevent a quorum? - Having too many too uninteresting elections - Having several competing IT systems - The opposite of novelty,

Re: [EM] Time of trouble - Premise 2

2009-03-03 Thread Michael Allan
Juho Laatu wrote: There may be several IT systems and trust in one of them may not yet mean quorum at society level. Having several IT candidates may be a sufficient reason in general not to achieve quorum in any of them. You could either make the numerous alternative IT systems visible or

Re: [EM] Time of trouble - Premise 2

2009-02-22 Thread Juho Laatu
--- On Mon, 16/2/09, Michael Allan m...@zelea.com wrote: I read A - B as if A is widespread then also B is or will be widespread. This could cover also cases B is likely to be widespread... Yes, it's a causal operator. So the relation A - B means if A then B. (It ought to be

[EM] Time of trouble - Premise 2

2009-02-11 Thread Michael Allan
The claim is that a direct democracy is probable. Based on Juho Laatu's comments, I restate the argument in an expanded form. If it stands, then we can accept it as a premise, and discuss the potential danger of it. What follows is a condensed summary of the original post and discussion thread,

Re: [EM] Time of trouble - Premise 2

2009-02-11 Thread Juho Laatu
First some general comments. Still the biggest question to me is how to create a system that is dominant (determines the de facto unquestioned public opinion) and at the same time remains in close contact and attracts spontaneous participation of the citizens and is out of the control of the