I fully agree with those who say that a weak Condorcet winner is in most
cases the best winner. The concern with the weak CW problem is, at least for
me, based on two different factors:
- 1. It may be that some of the voters who helped make that candidate a
CW would honestly regret their
Warren Smith Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 1:53 AM
At the present time, Jon Huntsman gets only a tiny
fraction of the USA-republican-presidential-nomination votes,
according to polls. For this reason, certain media people
have been saying it is a travesty Huntsman continues to run
and
Juho Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 12:29 PM
I think term weak CW should not be used as a general term
without referring to in what sense that winner is weak. There
are different elections and different needs. In some of them
weak CW is a good choice, in some others not.
51: A
49: B
On 23.9.2011, at 16.31, James Gilmour wrote:
Juho Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 12:29 PM
I think term weak CW should not be used as a general term
without referring to in what sense that winner is weak. There
are different elections and different needs. In some of them
weak CW is a
Please accept my apologies for forgetting to fix the subject line from
the digest #.
I also want to agree with the person who suggested that Jon Huntsman
is a weak Condorcet winner among Republican US presidential
candidates, and mention that among the entire electorate, I believe
Jon Huntsman
Dear James,
thanks for your comments.
Answers in the text below.
On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 12:53 AM, James Gilmour jgilm...@globalnet.co.ukwrote:
Peter Zbornik Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 9:04 PM
Well I think the argument that two-rounds systems are silly
and complex, can be
2011/9/22 James Gilmour jgilm...@globalnet.co.uk
Jameson Quinn Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 2:00 AM
If I'm right, the claim is that voters, and especially
politicians, are intuitively concerned with the possibility
of someone winning with broad but shallow support. In
Approval,
2011/9/22 Peter Zbornik pzbor...@gmail.com
Dear all,
I agree with James, and that was why I proposed that election reform
took the path through added election rounds.
Reform of FPTP would thus add a second election round where the
Condorcet winner would meet the FPTP winner. Who in the UK
Hi Jameson,
I think the multiple round system (as described in my previous email
today and several others) might be a the best way to get combined
support for one single method on this list.
If we skip the issues about political support for the method, I think
a good method that everyone
Hi Jameson,
I think the best reform proposal would be FPTP and the other method
in a two round system.
This is certainly not complex and run-off elections are held
everywhere in Europe, except for some larger islands of the coast of
France :o).
The disadvantage of introducing a new method is,
2011/9/22 robert bristow-johnson r...@audioimagination.com
On 9/22/11 12:40 PM, James Gilmour wrote:
I cannot comment on the quoted remark (cut) that prompted your post and I
know nothing at all about the activities of anyone at FairVote, but you have
hit on a real problem in practical
2011/9/22 Peter Zbornik pzbor...@gmail.com
Hi Jameson,
I think the best reform proposal would be FPTP and the other method
in a two round system.
This is certainly not complex and run-off elections are held
everywhere in Europe, except for some larger islands of the coast of
France :o).
Hi Jameson,
Well i think the argument that two-rounds systems are silly and
complex, can be countered with the fact that it is used all throughout
Europe and elsewhere. I woud say runoff elections are the standard way
of conducting single member elections. Even though I have no data for
this
2011/9/22 Peter Zbornik pzbor...@gmail.com
Hi Jameson,
Well i think the argument that two-rounds systems are silly and
complex, can be countered ...
I'm going to cut in right there. The problem is, you don't always get a
chance to counter your opponent's arguments. If anti-reformers can run
Many people on this list agree that Condorcet methods are good methods. But
they are not necessarily good for whatever needs. Using them in single-seat
districts of a two-party system might not be a good idea. We might end up
having majority of the representatives from a small centrist party.
Jameson Quinn Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 7:38 PM
And while I don't take everything Richie says at face value,
he does have more experience than basically anyone else at
promoting voting reform, so it would be unwise to entirely
ignore his point of view. I believe that he honestly
Peter Zbornik Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 9:04 PM
Well I think the argument that two-rounds systems are silly
and complex, can be countered with the fact that it is used
all throughout Europe and elsewhere.
Yes, and the French Presidential election of 2002 showed us very clearly
2011/9/22 James Gilmour jgilm...@globalnet.co.uk
Peter Zbornik Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 9:04 PM
Well I think the argument that two-rounds systems are silly
and complex, can be countered with the fact that it is used
all throughout Europe and elsewhere.
Yes, and the French
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