Re: [EM] voter strat 2-party domination under Condorcet voting

2005-08-16 Thread Scott Ritchie
On Sat, 2005-08-13 at 09:39 -0400, Warren Smith wrote: So anybody who is interested in third parties ever having a chance, would be advised NOT to foolishly advocate either IRV or Condorcet, but insetad would be advised to advocate RANGE VOTING (which experimentally favors third parties far

Re: [EM] voter strat 2-party domination under Condorcet voting

2005-08-15 Thread Abd ulRahman Lomax
At 04:07 PM 8/13/2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As an example of strategic campaigning, Ralph Nader could have used a strategy in either 2000 or 2004 involving campaigning strongly up to and through the fall TV debates but promising to withdraw after the debates if polls had shown that he had no

Re: [EM] voter strat 2-party domination under Condorcet voting

2005-08-15 Thread RLSuter
Abd ulRahman Lomax wrote Aug 15 13:22:50 PDT 2005: At 04:07 PM 8/13/2005, RLSuter at aol.com wrote: As an example of strategic campaigning, Ralph Nader could have used a strategy in either 2000 or 2004 involving campaigning strongly up to and through the fall TV debates but promising to withdraw

Re: [EM] voter strat 2-party domination under Condorcet voting

2005-08-14 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi Warren, I'm eagerly awaiting your reply on this message. Rob On Sat, 2005-08-13 at 14:12 -0700, Rob Lanphier wrote: Hi Warren, I'm not following your theorem. Can you give an example of what you are referring to, showing a set of sincere preferences, followed by a set of tactical

[EM] voter strat 2-party domination under Condorcet voting

2005-08-13 Thread Warren Smith
On the probability that insincerely ranking the two frontrunners max and min, is optimal voter-strategy in a Condorcet election. --Warren D. Smith Aug 2005-- MATHEMATICAL MODEL: 3-candidate V-voter Condorcet elections with random voters (all

RE: [EM] voter strat 2-party domination under Condorcet voting

2005-08-13 Thread Kevin Venzke
Warren, I believe it's safe to say that all deterministic rank methods which disallow equal ranking must fail the favorite betrayal criterion. You don't have to prove that for individual rank methods. You started your message like this: --- Warren Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : On the

Re: [EM] voter strat 2-party domination under Condorcet voting

2005-08-13 Thread RLSuter
In a message dated 8/13/05, Warren Smith writes: Given that this is the case, we now can take it to be 100% certain that Condorcet voting methods will lead to 2-party domination, just like the flawed plurality system those methods were supposed to fix, and just like experiemntlly is true

Re: [EM] voter strat 2-party domination under Condorcet voting

2005-08-13 Thread Eric Gorr
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/13/05, Warren Smith writes: Given that this is the case, we now can take it to be 100% certain that Condorcet voting methods will lead to 2-party domination, just like the flawed plurality system those methods were supposed to fix, and just like

Re: [EM] voter strat 2-party domination under Condorcet voting

2005-08-13 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi Warren, I'm not following your theorem. Can you give an example of what you are referring to, showing a set of sincere preferences, followed by a set of tactical ballots which illustrate your point? E.g.: Sincere preferences: Group 1 - 18 votes: ABC Group 2 - 18 votes: ACB Group 3 - 16

RE: [EM] voter strat 2-party domination under Condorcet voting

2005-08-13 Thread James Gilmour
In a message dated 8/13/05, Warren Smith writes: Given that this is the case, we now can take it to be 100% certain that Condorcet voting methods will lead to 2-party domination, just like the flawed plurality system those methods were supposed to fix, and just like experimentally is true