Re: [EM] Unranked-IRV

2001-03-24 Thread Bart Ingles
Richard Moore wrote: > > MIKE OSSIPOFF wrote: > > > >I would like to share perhaps the simplest majority-empowered reform over > > >our current election problems. > > > > > >I'll call this system: Unranked-IRV. It works like IRV but doesn't allow > > >voters to rank preferences, only list them

Re: [EM] Unranked-IRV

2001-03-24 Thread Richard Moore
MIKE OSSIPOFF wrote: > >I would like to share perhaps the simplest majority-empowered reform over > >our current election problems. > > > >I'll call this system: Unranked-IRV. It works like IRV but doesn't allow > >voters to rank preferences, only list them like approval, however unlike > >approv

[EM] Is Your JOB Going to Make YOU RICH? 28953

2001-03-24 Thread tivara
Dear Friend, Let me ask you a very straightforward question and before you answer, think about it for a moment. When you have trouble making ends meet on today's income, how do you expect to retire and live on less money than you earn now? Read the question again before you go on - it is a v

Re: [EM] Reverse Symmetry Criterion

2001-03-24 Thread Martin Harper
I'm not that fond, in general, of past/fail criterion. Surely it would be better to know the /extent/ to which a method fails, if it fails. Qualitative Reverse Symmetry Test -- Generate a large number of sets of votes, according to some appropriate model of the electorate. For each of these, dete

[EM] Variations on IRV

2001-03-24 Thread Forest Simmons
Tom, I am curious about something that doesn't quite add up in my mind. You know about recursive, iterative methods for improving IRV (as well as other methods). You agree with me that each iteration is an improvement. You are aware that with each iteration the method has a greater chance of pi

[EM] Reverse Symmetry Criterion

2001-03-24 Thread Forest Simmons
Consider the following summary of 90 preference ballots: 40 C > A > B 20 A > B > C 30 B > C > A IRV gives the win to B. Reverse all of the preferences and IRV still gives the win to B. However, we cannot fault IRV in this case because the candidates form a Condorcet cycle: C beats A beats B be

Re: [EM] One vote per voter

2001-03-24 Thread Forest Simmons
Besides the excellent points made by Anthony I would like to add a couple of others. In the second round of a runoff, the voters get to either repeat their first vote or vote for someone else, all for the same office in the same election. So if IRV doesn't violate the slogan, then neither does Ap

Re: [EM] One vote per voter

2001-03-24 Thread Forest Simmons
On Fri, 23 Mar 2001, Tom Ruen wrote: > Anthony, > > I appreciate your defense for approval. I'm not surrendering full-vote > Approval as a good concept. I agree with your defense for one vote per > candidate in approval. > > Plurality and approval are different systems and I don't think you c

Re: [EM] Spoilers

2001-03-24 Thread Martin Harper
Anthony Simmons wrote: > This brought up a question for me. Suppose a > purely hypothetical Approval election in which > there are two major parties, with candidates > Mickey and Goofy. A third party candidate, > Roadrunner, is very popular, but is not expected > to win. > > Roadrunner voters f

Re: [EM] One vote per voter

2001-03-24 Thread Anthony Simmons
>> From: Tom Ruen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Subject: Re: [EM] One vote per voter >> Anthony, >> I appreciate your defense for approval. I'm >> not surrendering full-vote Approval as a good >> concept. I agree with your defense for one >> vote per candidate in approval. Well, I'm not sure I was def

[EM] Spoilers

2001-03-24 Thread Anthony Simmons
>> From: "Tom Ruen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Subject: [EM] Election results and analysis: >> What are your favorite months? >> Without runoffs, our elections with 3 or more >> choices often have a "spoiler candidate" where >> if people vote for a 3rd party favorite, this >> may help their least f

[EM] here's my ballot

2001-03-24 Thread Bart Ingles
MIKE OSSIPOFF wrote: > > Here's the ballot for that poll: > > What method do you designate for determining your Approval votes, for > the Voter's Choice count? Approval. > The first column is for the rank number that you assign. The 2nd > column is for your Approval vote. The 3rd column is