Re: [EM] Some brief campaign argument (Approval)

2001-04-19 Thread Richard Moore
By the way, for the mathematically inclined, I think I was mistaken -- I believe the term I meant is Linfinity-normalized. In case I'm still wrong (it's getting late) I'll clarify this: I mean that the utilities in each set are shifted to center on the origin and then scaled by a factor equal to

Re: [EM] Nomination

2001-04-19 Thread Richard Moore
Forest Simmons wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED]">In the unlikely case that all candidates are approved by all voters andthere is no "beats all" candidate, then the winner shall be chosen fromthe Smith set by random ballot.Since none of these candidates were disapproved by any voter, all votersshould be

RE: [EM] Some brief campaign argument (Approval)

2001-04-19 Thread LAYTON Craig
Richard wrote: Given your SU rankings (A C D B), it strikes me that you are using a different definition of SU than I am. When I speak of SU, I am referring to an L1-normalized SU. Does this contradict an accepted definition of SU? If we calculate SUs according to this method, then we get (D

[EM] WDSC

2001-04-19 Thread Markus Schulze
Dear Mike, you wrote (18 Apr 2001): Markus wrote (18 Apr 2001): Your definition of WDSC looked as follows: If a majority of all the voters prefer A to B, then they should have a way of voting that will ensure that B cannot win, without any member of that majority voting a less-liked

RE: [EM] Social Utility

2001-04-19 Thread DEMOREP1
Elections regarding public offices and issues are obviously subjective. I beat the dead political horse some more -- Desired (liberal, conservative, etc.) Compromise Unacceptable (conservative, liberal, etc.) For lots of folks the sequence is reversed. Determining the *value of each

[EM] IRV Psychology

2001-04-19 Thread Forest Simmons
In my conversations with fellow Greens I've learned that they can live with non-monotonicity, they can live with elimination of Condorcet Winners, and they can live with low average social utility. The one feature that they cannot live with is the spoilage problem. They don't want ever again to

Re: [EM] Unranked-IRV, Cumulative, and Normalized Ratings

2001-04-19 Thread Forest Simmons
This is more of a query about Lori Cranor's method than anything else. If it really gives no strategic incentive for distorting ratings, it sounds like the ideal way to use CR ballots. Here's what puzzles me. On the one hand, it seems like any method like Ms Cranor's that uses CR ballots to

[EM] IRV Psychology

2001-04-19 Thread Anthony Simmons
From: Forest Simmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [EM] IRV Psychology When you tell them that there are other situations in which IRV would give them strategic incentives to vote Gore above Nader, and that Approval would never do that, they tend to think of those situations as rare, if not

Re: [EM] Some brief campaign argument (Approval)

2001-04-19 Thread Richard Moore
LAYTON Craig wrote: 29DC67DED1118912F87A36500211CB4A@ADD-EX1">The reason I use absolute SU calculations is because absolute utility iswhat is actually important. It is important to note that absolute candiverge significantly from weighted utilities. I am suspicious of theassumption that

[EM] Nominataing RP(wv)

2001-04-19 Thread MIKE OSSIPOFF
I'm nominating Ranked-Pairs(wv). Actually this was probably in the original nominations list that I apparently inadvertantly lost, because I thought I was replying to EM when I was just sending an individual reply. I nominate RP(wv) because, in spite of not being as good as Cloneproof SSD, or

[EM] WV, Margins wrap-up

2001-04-19 Thread MIKE OSSIPOFF
WV vs margins: All along, I've been referring people to the electionmethods website for the defensive strategy criteria that justify my method arguments. I might as well restate it here: http://www.electionmethods.org Two people have pointed out that, though margins has strategy problems that

[EM] SSD, RP wrap-up

2001-04-19 Thread MIKE OSSIPOFF
RP is nearly as good as Cloneproof SSD. In public elections it is nearly as good as ordinary SSD. Here are some differences: RP can choose outside the initial Schwartz set. SSD Cloneproof SSD will never do that. Choosing outside the initial Schwartz set isn't serious. I'm not aware of it

[EM] Ballot for Voting Systems poll

2001-04-19 Thread MIKE OSSIPOFF
Here's the ballot for the Voting Systems poll. The balloting period begins tonight, the midnight that ends April 19th in California. But I hope you check out everyone's latest campaign arguments first. This a Voter's Choice election. For the final Approval count, you give an Approval vote to