[EM] Plausible IRV example showing non-monotonicity

2001-03-10 Thread Bart Ingles
Here is a more-or-less plausible example showing both the no-show paradox and a monotonicity violation in an IRV election. You could think of the added/changed votes as being the result of either absentee ballots, or of a recount (possibly including discovery of mislabeled ballot containers, as

[EM] Don't be so quick in handing out those Nobel prizes:

2001-03-10 Thread Advance Copy
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 03/10/01 Forest Simmons, Don't be so quick in handing out those Nobel prizes, not yet. Mike Ossipoff has proposed something clever allright - a clever scheme to allow a minority party candidate to win over a majority party

RE: Election Reform (fwd)

2001-03-10 Thread DEMOREP1
There are at least 3 major things going on with multiple choice elections Scale Votes +100 percent to -100 percent for each choice --- or my suggested short version of YES (above zero)/NO (below zero). Head to Head Votes (Condorcet's major observation/discovery) Place Votes (for

Re: Election Reform (fwd)

2001-03-10 Thread Rob Trainor
Unsubscribe please [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are at least 3 major things going on with multiple choice elections Scale Votes +100 percent to -100 percent for each choice --- or my suggested short version of YES (above zero)/NO (below zero). Head to Head Votes

Re: [EM] Election Reform (fwd)

2001-03-10 Thread MIKE OSSIPOFF
Good article. Send it in. Where are you sending it to? One thing, you could add, when comparing CR Approval, that those 2 methods are strategically equivalent for the voter whose goal is to optimize the outcome of that election for himself/herself. Mike Ossipoff

Re: [EM] Puzzle example X 1000

2001-03-10 Thread MIKE OSSIPOFF
[regarding complete abstention] We can't rule it out, but without some basis for assigning a probability to this event, how can we factor it in? Maybe in the real world you could look at historical patterns. For an isolated example, there's nothing to go on. Might as well solve the problem

[EM] Why Pab Pbc

2001-03-10 Thread MIKE OSSIPOFF
We're interested in the probability that voting B over C will change the winner from C to B. That's what I mean by Pbc, for the purposes of this problem. Examining the ways that voting for A can change Pbc shows that voting for A can only make it less likely that voting B over C will change the

Re: [EM] Approval election example

2001-03-10 Thread MIKE OSSIPOFF
I like the idea of a demonstration poll, but voting on which months are best is difficult, it seems to me. It's something that many people don't have an opinion on. If we want to hold a demonstration poll, I suggest that we first vote on what the poll will be about. The subject of the poll is

Re: [EM] Approval election example

2001-03-10 Thread David Catchpole
On Sun, 11 Mar 2001, MIKE OSSIPOFF wrote: I like the idea of a demonstration poll, but voting on which months are best is difficult, it seems to me. It's something that many people don't have an opinion on. ... which probably will make the pattern of results more appealing, seeing as though

Re: [EM] Approval election example

2001-03-10 Thread Buddha Buck
"MIKE OSSIPOFF" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I like the idea of a demonstration poll, but voting on which months are best is difficult, it seems to me. It's something that many people don't have an opinion on. If we want to hold a demonstration poll, I suggest that we first vote on what the

[EM] CVD- IRV links

2001-03-10 Thread DEMOREP1
http://www.fairvote.org/action/index.html has links to various pending IRV activities on the CVD website. Stop IRV now before it is too late to complain/ explain.