Re: [EM] IRV proponents figure out how to make IRV precinct-summable

2009-03-25 Thread Juho Laatu
--- On Wed, 25/3/09, Jonathan Lundell jlund...@pobox.com wrote: Lam wrote: IRV can be made sort of summable: http://lists.electorama.com/htdig.cgi/election-methods-electorama.com/2001-September/006595.html Buddha Buck replied with an IRV example that much more clearly explained

Re: [EM] IRV proponents figure out how to make IRV precinct-summable

2009-03-25 Thread Raph Frank
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 1:21 AM, Dave Ketchum da...@clarityconnect.com wrote: OOPS here - The B voters did not name a next rank so 40 A beats 35 E! Bah, it's kinda like if you correct someone's grammer in a post, you are more likely to have a grammer mistake yourself :p. Election-Methods

Re: [EM] IRV proponents figure out how to make IRV precinct-summable

2009-03-25 Thread Raph Frank
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 7:19 AM, Juho Laatu juho4...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: 4) To hide the individual votes for privacy and security reasons. Published ranked votes open up some doors for vote buying and coercion. It is quite easy to generate unique votes when the number of candidates increases.

Re: [EM] IRV proponents figure out how to make IRV precinct-summable

2009-03-25 Thread Jonathan Lundell
On Mar 25, 2009, at 12:19 AM, Juho Laatu wrote: Yes, good question. IRV votes thus don't take excessive amount of space and can be compressed and can be summed up (although not very compactly). Possible answers might include: 1) To help verifying the vote counting process. If the partial

Re: [EM] language/framing quibble

2009-03-25 Thread Fred Gohlke
Good Morning, Juho re: (Btw, I think there are interesting prospects also in the other hierarchies.) Given the extraordinary morass our political system has bestowed upon us ... to the extreme disadvantage of our progeny ... it would be well to select the most practical parts of those

Re: [EM] IRV proponents figure out how to make IRV precinct-summable

2009-03-25 Thread Juho Laatu
--- On Wed, 25/3/09, Jonathan Lundell jlund...@pobox.com wrote: On Mar 25, 2009, at 12:19 AM, Juho Laatu wrote: Yes, good question. IRV votes thus don't take excessive amount of space and can be compressed and can be summed up (although not very compactly). Possible answers

Re: [EM] language/framing quibble

2009-03-25 Thread Juho Laatu
--- On Wed, 25/3/09, Fred Gohlke fredgoh...@verizon.net wrote: http://www.wallstreetwatch.org/soldoutreport.htm It describes how the financial sector bribed our representatives to produce the monstrosity that now engulfs us.  The article provides a link to the full report (a 3MB