[EM] Range-Approval hybrid

2008-10-15 Thread Chris Benham
Yet another version of this  Approval Strong Sincere Defense, Range
method occurs to me:  uses ratings ballots with more available slots than
there are candidates and on each ballot interpret the highest empty slot
as the approval threshold.

This is simpler than my previous automatic version which on each ballot
interpreted rating above mean as approval, but can still use the same type
of ballot as highish-resolution  Range/Score/CR.

Chris Benham


 

Chris Benham wrote:
I  have an idea for a  FBC complying method  that  I think is clearly
better  than the version of  Range Voting (aka  Average Rating or
Cardinal Ratings)  defined and promoted by  CRV.

  http://rangevoting.org/
  
I suggest that voters use multi-slot ratings ballots that have the bottom
slots (at least 2 and not more than half) clearly labelled as expressing
disapproval and all others as expressing Approval.  The default
rating is the bottom-most.
  
Compute each candidate X's  Approval score and also Approval
Opposition score  (the approval score of the most approved candidate
on ballots that don't approve X).
  
All candidates whose approval score is exceeded by their approval
opposition (AO) score are disqualified.  Elect the undisqualified
candidate that is highest ordered by Average Rating.
  
I suggest many fewer slots than 99  and no  no opinion option, so I
think the resulting method is not more complex for voters.


Kristofer Munsterhjelm  wrote (Monday, 29 September, 2008):
One way of making it less complex would be to have a cardinal ratings 
(Range) ballot with both positive and negative integers. The voter rates 
every candidate, and those candidates that get below zero points are 
considered disapproved, while those that get above zero are considered 
approved. This idea doesn't specify where those rated at zero (or those 
not rated at all) would appear.


CB:  Thinking about this method idea more, as a practical proposition either
a very simple way of handling the zero on a scale that includes negative and
positive numbers or not having a zero would be better.

One tidy relatively simple version would use a  A B C | D E F graded ballot
with  ABC shown on the ballot as taken to signify  approved or acceptable
and DEF  not.   

This could perhaps be promoted as  Graded Approval.  My technical name
for the method is I suppose  Approval Strong Minimal Defense, CR.

Chris Benham


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Re: [EM] Range-Approval hybrid

2008-10-01 Thread Chris Benham
Kristofer Munsterhjelm:

 Normalization could be used if required, with either the voter 
 specifying absolutely worst and absolutely best (setting the
 range), or by the lowest and highest rated candidate having those
 positions. So if a voter wants to say that he likes all the
 candidates, but some are better than others, he could vote all
 positive integers, whereas a McCain/Obama/Clinton voter could vote
 McCain less than zero and the other two greater than zero. With
 normalization, the contribution of
 
 A: 1 pts. B: -1 pts.
 
 to the raw scores would be the same as
 
 A: 3 pts. B: 1 pt.
 
 but would have a different effect regarding the approval component
 (only A approved in the first case, both approved in the second).
 

 Chris Benham:

 I don't think I'm that keen on normalization, but I don't really
 object to 'automating' the approval cutoff, so that ballots are
 interpreted as approving the candidates they rate above the mean of
 the ratings they've given (and half-approving those exactly at that
 mean).  I can imagine that others would object on various grounds,
 and the US voting reform enthusiasts who like FBC-complying methods
 like Range and Approval generally seem to prefer their voting methods
 to have  'manual transmission'.

Kristofer Munsterhjelm  wrote (Wednesday, 1 October, 2008):

The advantage of having zero set the boundary between approved and 
disapproved, instead of the mean doing so, is that you could express a 
general favor (or dislike) of politicians. For instance, if you think 
only one person's mostly decent and the rest are all corrupt (but some 
are more corrupt than others), you could vote the favored candidate 
above zero and the others below zero, whereas above mean would include 
some of the corrupt candidates as well.

CB: I don't see why it would. If  the voter max rates her favourite and gives
all the other candidates a much lower, near or absolute bottom rating then
the 'automated' version will only approve her favourite.

KM:
I can understand that some would prefer the ballot to have, to use your 
own words, a manual transmission, but I think the concept of an explicit 
approval cutoff would be confusing to most. With the boundary at 0, you 
can just say, implicitly, give those who you like points, and take 
points away from those you don't like.

When Approval voting has better strategies than plain commonsense 
approval, that's going to be a suboptimal strategy, but hopefully the 
voters are going to be mostly honest so that that's not much of a problem.

CB:
With Approval cutoffs my basic assumption is that voters will be strategic
and I'm happy for them to be so.  I generally like to try to minimise the 
advantage of good strategists over poor ones and non-strategists, so I'm
not interested in expanding voters' options to use poor strategy.

Chris  Benham



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Re: [EM] Range-Approval hybrid

2008-09-28 Thread Kristofer Munsterhjelm

Chris Benham wrote:

I  have an idea for a  FBC complying method  that  I think is clearly
better  than the version of   Range Voting (aka  Average Rating or
Cardinal Ratings)  defined and promoted by  CRV.

  http://rangevoting.org/
 
I suggest that voters use multi-slot ratings ballots that have the bottom

slots (at least 2 and not more than half) clearly labelled as expressing
disapproval and all others as expressing Approval.  The default
rating is the bottom-most.
 
Compute each candidate X's  Approval score and also Approval

Opposition score  (the approval score of the most approved candidate
on ballots that don't approve X).
 
All candidates whose approval score is exceeded by their approval

opposition (AO) score are disqualified.  Elect the undisqualified
candidate that is highest ordered by Average Rating.
 
I suggest many fewer slots than 99  and no  no opinion option, so I

think the resulting method is not more complex for voters.


One way of making it less complex would be to have a cardinal ratings 
(Range) ballot with both positive and negative integers. The voter rates 
every candidate, and those candidates that get below zero points are 
considered disapproved, while those that get above zero are considered 
approved. This idea doesn't specify where those rated at zero (or those 
not rated at all) would appear.


Normalization could be used if required, with either the voter 
specifying absolutely worst and absolutely best (setting the range), 
or by the lowest and highest rated candidate having those positions. So 
if a voter wants to say that he likes all the candidates, but some are 
better than others, he could vote all positive integers, whereas a 
McCain/Obama/Clinton voter could vote McCain less than zero and the 
other two greater than zero. With normalization, the contribution of


A: 1 pts.
B: -1 pts.

to the raw scores would be the same as

A: 3 pts.
B: 1 pt.

but would have a different effect regarding the approval component (only 
A approved in the first case, both approved in the second).


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[EM] Range-Approval hybrid

2008-09-20 Thread Chris Benham
I  have an idea for a  FBC complying method  that  I think is clearly
better  than the version of   Range Voting (aka  Average Rating or
Cardinal Ratings)  defined and promoted by  CRV.

  http://rangevoting.org/

I suggest that voters use multi-slot ratings ballots that have the bottom
slots (at least 2 and not more than half) clearly labelled as expressing
disapproval and all others as expressing Approval.  The default
rating is the bottom-most.

Compute each candidate X's  Approval score and also Approval
Opposition score  (the approval score of the most approved candidate
on ballots that don't approve X). 

All candidates whose approval score is exceeded by their approval
opposition (AO) score are disqualified.  Elect the undisqualified
candidate that is highest ordered by Average Rating.

I suggest many fewer slots than 99  and no  no opinion option, so I
think the resulting method is not more complex for voters.

This method would work much better than normal RV in avoiding a
split-vote problem in a  '2 sub-factions confront a big faction' scenario
(such as  Obama and  Clinton versus McCain).  In this method  if  Obama
and Clinton supporters all approve both candidates and not McCain,
then if there are more of them voting than McCain supporters McCain
must be disqualified, so  Obama and Clinton can compete with each
other more meaningfully and with much less risk of  a McCain win.

Minor party supporters can make approval distinction between the 
front-runners and then rate their sincere favourites exclusive-top with
very little added risk  (compared with rating their preferred front-runner
equal-top) of  allowing their greater evil candidate to win.

It meets a sort of   Approval Strong Minimal Defense that says that
if more voters approve  X and not Y than approve Y, Y can't win.

And a sort of  Approval Majority for Solid Coalitions that says that
if  more than half  the voters rank/rate a subset S of candidates above
all others, and approve all the members of  S and none of the non-members,
then the winner must come from S. 

(This of course is only worth mentioning because the voters supporting
the S candidates can still make meaningful preference distinctions among
them, unlike in plain Approval.) 

Like normal Range it clearly meets Favourite Betrayal, because if  X wins
with some voters insincerely down-rating Y, then if  Y is raised to the top
slot alongside X; X will still be qualified (because X's approval score will
not be reduced and X's AO score can only be reduced), no non-XY candidate
can have a reduced PO score so no previously disqualified non-XY candidate
will become undisqualified; and of course only Y's  Average Ratings score
will be changed so if there is a  new winner it can only be Y.

Like normal Range and unlike  methods such  as  Bucklin, it meets Independence
from Irrelevant Ballots (IIB). This wouldn't be the case if  the rule regarding 
the
approvals specified for example that candidates need to be disapproved by a
majority to be disqualified.

I can't see that this method fails any desirable criterion that normal Range 
meets.

Comments?

Chris  Benham


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