Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Basing elementary on latest and greatest pieces of software

2013-07-10 Thread Cody Garver
I'm working on it, I'd like to have it deployed by 14.04 but no promises. On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 12:53 AM, Nikos Vasilakis nikos.a...@gmail.comwrote: Hey Cody, what do we need in order to get our own repo and automated build infrastructure? Is it a hardware issue? Cheers, Nikos On

[Elementary-dev-community] Mir Discussion with Jono

2013-07-10 Thread Daniel Foré
Hey everyone, So here’s the distilled conversation we had with Jono: 1. Canonical wants Mir to be used by more than just Ubuntu. More users tends to mean more developers which means a better product. Jono didn't say it directly, but I think it's obvious that their interest in us is mainly

Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Mir Discussion with Jono

2013-07-10 Thread Jo-Erlend Schinstad
On 10 July 2013 18:27, Daniel Foré dan...@elementaryos.org wrote: Hey everyone, So here’s the distilled conversation we had with Jono: [snip] Obviously there are pros and cons. The biggest con is that it is highly unlikely Canonical will put staff hours into make sure stuff like Gtk+

Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Mir Discussion with Jono

2013-07-10 Thread Paulo Truta
I'm a little out of the scene now, but i don't really think we should do everything canonical wants. Today they changed to Mir, tomorrow it can be anything else.. And elementary has to follow them. Also, i think that Ubuntu is no longer a good base distro for elementary to be based on. There

Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Basing elementary on latest and greatest pieces of software

2013-07-10 Thread Nikos Vasilakis
Ah, sorry, I did not mean to press you, just ask as a way to identify were help is needed. On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 11:53 AM, Cody Garver c...@elementaryos.org wrote: I'm working on it, I'd like to have it deployed by 14.04 but no promises. On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 12:53 AM, Nikos Vasilakis

Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Mir Discussion with Jono

2013-07-10 Thread Conscious User
Em Qua, 2013-07-10 às 21:25 +0200, Jo-Erlend Schinstad escreveu: It also seems kind of weird that a desktop distribution would want to make such an enormous amount of applications second class citizens in this way. They already did. With or without Mir support, The GNOME stack and Compiz are

Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Mir Discussion with Jono

2013-07-10 Thread Daniel Foré
I can confirm that from speaking to Canonical employees and attending UDS that the tone has been for a long time that they will eventually stop supporting Gtk+ in favor of Qt At the current rate, 14.04 may be the last version of Ubuntu under which you can run Gtk+ apps unless the community

Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Basing elementary on latest and greatest pieces of software

2013-07-10 Thread Sergey Shnatsel Davidoff
what do we need in order to get our own repo and automated build infrastructure? Is it a hardware issue? A lot of things I'm afraid. Off the top of my head, the list is as follows: 1. hardware 2. pbuilder configuration (mostly done) 3. some piece of software to accept dput uploads

Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Mir Discussion with Jono

2013-07-10 Thread Manish Sinha
On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 1:45 PM, Daniel Foré dan...@elementaryos.org wrote: At the current rate, 14.04 may be the last version of Ubuntu under which you can run Gtk+ apps unless the community wants to build Mir support for Gtk+. I don't think I understand this properly. You mean to say that

Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Mir Discussion with Jono

2013-07-10 Thread Jono Bacon
On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 3:12 PM, Jono Bacon j...@ubuntu.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 3:01 PM, Manish Sinha manishsi...@ubuntu.comwrote: On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 1:45 PM, Daniel Foré dan...@elementaryos.org wrote: At the current rate, 14.04 may be the last version of Ubuntu under

Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Mir Discussion with Jono

2013-07-10 Thread Jono Bacon
On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 1:45 PM, Daniel Foré dan...@elementaryos.orgwrote: I can confirm that from speaking to Canonical employees and attending UDS that the tone has been for a long time that they will eventually stop supporting Gtk+ in favor of Qt There has been quite some discussion in

Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Mir Discussion with Jono

2013-07-10 Thread Daniel Foré
Sorry, I might have made it more clear that was speculation. Best Regards, Daniel Foré El jul 10, 2013, a las 3:01 p.m., Manish Sinha manishsi...@ubuntu.com escribió: On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 1:45 PM, Daniel Foré dan...@elementaryos.org wrote: At the current rate, 14.04 may be the last

Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Mir Discussion with Jono

2013-07-10 Thread Jono Bacon
On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 2:10 PM, cameron camerontnor...@gmail.com wrote: I can tell you right now we'd have no intention of making Qt run on it. You would probably have no expectation of making KDE run on it, though. It is an odd stance Canonical is taking. They want elementary OS (and other

Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Mir Discussion with Jono

2013-07-10 Thread Daniel Foré
See Jono's clarification :) There is absolutely no reason to believe that not supporting Gtk+ would doom Ubuntu to fail. Android and iOS launched just fine without supporting Windows or OS X apps. And in fact, this is not so different from our expectations either. A serious OS needs apps that

Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Mir Discussion with Jono

2013-07-10 Thread Jo-Erlend Schinstad
On 11 July 2013 00:28, Daniel Foré dan...@elementaryos.org wrote: See Jono's clarification :) There is absolutely no reason to believe that not supporting Gtk+ would doom Ubuntu to fail. Android and iOS launched just fine without supporting Windows or OS X apps. However, neither Android or

Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Mir Discussion with Jono

2013-07-10 Thread Allen Lowe
However, as Jono said, GTK+ apps will continue to function as rootless X apps anyway, so no one is removing any possibilites. On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 4:48 PM, Jo-Erlend Schinstad joerlend.schins...@ubuntu.com wrote: On 11 July 2013 00:28, Daniel Foré dan...@elementaryos.org wrote: See