[Elementary-dev-community] Fwd: Google+

[Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff]

Okay, where can I find an intro to 2014? We have a more or less defined
workflow here, but I for one have no idea how G+ works and what it provides
(any real-time conversations?).

I made an honest attempt to get into G+ by myself, but all I get is this:
http://i.imgur.com/nKI4Enq.png
http://i.imgur.com/AemwVwF.png
I have no idea what is all this stuff about and what to do with it.

Also, once we flesh out the intro to G+ workflow, it might be a good idea
to write that down in the website. At least I get "How do I get involved?"
emails on a regular basis and that indicates that the website doesn't
provide that info.
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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Fwd: Google+

[Raphael Isemann]

Hangouts on the top-right for chatting with people in real-time. It's
IIRC not using Jabber or any open protocol, so you have to stick with
the official google-apps or that webinterface.

G+ is otherwise just using Circles (=Collection of People) for
everything. A community is a Circle where everyone can join when he
wants and there are private cicles for you where you can put people
into. If you send any message you can specify which circles are able
to read that message (as in "Family, WeirdoPeople, Xyz") and everyone
that is in one of those Circles sees it.

There is a elementary-community that is a good start.

- Raphael


2014-03-26 17:47 GMT+01:00 Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff :
> Okay, where can I find an intro to 2014? We have a more or less defined
> workflow here, but I for one have no idea how G+ works and what it provides
> (any real-time conversations?).
>
> I made an honest attempt to get into G+ by myself, but all I get is this:
> http://i.imgur.com/nKI4Enq.png
> http://i.imgur.com/AemwVwF.png
> I have no idea what is all this stuff about and what to do with it.
>
> Also, once we flesh out the intro to G+ workflow, it might be a good idea to
> write that down in the website. At least I get "How do I get involved?"
> emails on a regular basis and that indicates that the website doesn't
> provide that info.
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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Fwd: Google+

[Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff]

2014-03-26 21:35 GMT+04:00 Raphael Isemann :

> Hangouts on the top-right for chatting with people in real-time. It's
> IIRC not using Jabber or any open protocol, so you have to stick with
> the official google-apps or that webinterface.
>
> G+ is otherwise just using Circles (=Collection of People) for
> everything. A community is a Circle where everyone can join when he
> wants and there are private cicles for you where you can put people
> into. If you send any message you can specify which circles are able
> to read that message (as in "Family, WeirdoPeople, Xyz") and everyone
> that is in one of those Circles sees it.
>
> There is a elementary-community that is a good start.
>

Thanks! Do we have an official elementary circle or whatever? I don't
exactly feel like maintaining the list manually and on my own.

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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Fwd: Google+

[Cassidy James]

Here's the elementary page: https://plus.google.com/114635553671833442612/

And here's its associated community:
https://plus.google.com/communities/104613975513761463450

Regards,
Cassidy James

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On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 1:36 PM, Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff <
ser...@elementaryos.org> wrote:

> 2014-03-26 21:35 GMT+04:00 Raphael Isemann :
>
> Hangouts on the top-right for chatting with people in real-time. It's
>> IIRC not using Jabber or any open protocol, so you have to stick with
>> the official google-apps or that webinterface.
>>
>> G+ is otherwise just using Circles (=Collection of People) for
>> everything. A community is a Circle where everyone can join when he
>> wants and there are private cicles for you where you can put people
>> into. If you send any message you can specify which circles are able
>> to read that message (as in "Family, WeirdoPeople, Xyz") and everyone
>> that is in one of those Circles sees it.
>>
>> There is a elementary-community that is a good start.
>>
>
> Thanks! Do we have an official elementary circle or whatever? I don't
> exactly feel like maintaining the list manually and on my own.
>
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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Fwd: Google+

[Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff]

>
> Here's the elementary page: https://plus.google.com/114635553671833442612/
>
> And here's its associated community:
> https://plus.google.com/communities/104613975513761463450
>

You mean there's no way to keep up with internal elementary posts without
sifting through tons of weird unrelated clutter in
https://plus.google.com/communities/104613975513761463450 ?

I guess my real question is: after migrating to G+ what do you use instead
of IRC's group chat?
I have a basic idea of how to work in a group chat, but so far I can't even
understand what did you ditch it for.
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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Fwd: Google+

[Phillip Forrest]

Perhaps a separate, private "elementary developers" g+ community could be established, with entry into such requiring confirmation from an admin/the team? 
This would be very easy to set up, and create a private space for devs to discuss, chat, and openly communicate. 
On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 12:34 PM, Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff  wrote:Here's the elementary page: https://plus.google.com/114635553671833442612/
And here's its associated community: https://plus.google.com/communities/104613975513761463450

You mean there's no way to keep up with internal elementary posts without sifting through tons of weird unrelated clutter in https://plus.google.com/communities/104613975513761463450 ?
I guess my real question is: after migrating to G+ what do you use instead of IRC's group chat? I have a basic idea of how to work in a group chat, but so far I can't even understand what did you ditch it for.
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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Fwd: Google+

[Cassidy James]

Sergey,

> That isn't to say that we're not using IRC or the ML anymore, but if
you're wondering why they are much quieter, now you know. So if you're not
following the elementary community on G+, you should definitely do that.
And if you have email notifications turned off for launchpad, you should
create some mail filters instead.

Also, there are sections within the community; use them. Dan isn't saying
we're moving 100% of communication and interaction to Google+, he's saying
we've naturally started using it more and at the same time have gotten more
efficient with Launchpad. It happens that most developers are on Google+
already, so it has become an easy way to get in contact with them.

Regards,
Cassidy James
On Mar 26, 2014 2:34 PM, "Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff" <
ser...@elementaryos.org> wrote:

> Here's the elementary page: https://plus.google.com/114635553671833442612/
>>
>> And here's its associated community:
>> https://plus.google.com/communities/104613975513761463450
>>
>
> You mean there's no way to keep up with internal elementary posts without
> sifting through tons of weird unrelated clutter in
> https://plus.google.com/communities/104613975513761463450 ?
>
> I guess my real question is: after migrating to G+ what do you use instead
> of IRC's group chat?
> I have a basic idea of how to work in a group chat, but so far I can't
> even understand what did you ditch it for.
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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Fwd: Google+

[Raphael Isemann]

I agree with Cassidy: Hangouts makes it easier to catch people like
Dan and get a quick reply. The IRC-memo-system was just a humongous
and ugly hack that didn't worked out. It's a good (but not perfect)
thing between writing a actual mail and dropping a message to IRC.

The mailing-list itself is also quite horrible: You have to join
Launchpad, work around those annoying anti-spam measures, join the LP
group and the navigation in the Archive has a horrible interface and
needs a few minutes to update itself.

G+ provides at least a half-way working way of seeing replies (well,
it depends on having all replies in a list instead of a tree / needs
to execute JS to view plain-text / also closed source).

I'm still looking forward the elementary.io-service that allows to use
Jabber (is that still planned?)

- Raphael

2014-03-26 21:13 GMT+01:00 Cassidy James :
> Sergey,
>
>> That isn't to say that we're not using IRC or the ML anymore, but if
>> you're wondering why they are much quieter, now you know. So if you're not
>> following the elementary community on G+, you should definitely do that. And
>> if you have email notifications turned off for launchpad, you should create
>> some mail filters instead.
>
> Also, there are sections within the community; use them. Dan isn't saying
> we're moving 100% of communication and interaction to Google+, he's saying
> we've naturally started using it more and at the same time have gotten more
> efficient with Launchpad. It happens that most developers are on Google+
> already, so it has become an easy way to get in contact with them.
>
> Regards,
> Cassidy James
>
> On Mar 26, 2014 2:34 PM, "Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff"
>  wrote:
>>>
>>> Here's the elementary page:
>>> https://plus.google.com/114635553671833442612/
>>>
>>> And here's its associated community:
>>> https://plus.google.com/communities/104613975513761463450
>>
>>
>> You mean there's no way to keep up with internal elementary posts without
>> sifting through tons of weird unrelated clutter in
>> https://plus.google.com/communities/104613975513761463450 ?
>>
>> I guess my real question is: after migrating to G+ what do you use instead
>> of IRC's group chat?
>> I have a basic idea of how to work in a group chat, but so far I can't
>> even understand what did you ditch it for.
>> --
>> Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff

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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Fwd: Google+

[Shnatsel .]

>
> > That isn't to say that we're not using IRC or the ML anymore, but if
> you're wondering why they are much quieter, now you know. So if you're not
> following the elementary community on G+, you should definitely do that.
> And if you have email notifications turned off for launchpad, you should
> create some mail filters instead.
>
> Also, there are sections within the community; use them. Dan isn't saying
> we're moving 100% of communication and interaction to Google+, he's saying
> we've naturally started using it more and at the same time have gotten more
> efficient with Launchpad. It happens that most developers are on Google+
> already, so it has become an easy way to get in contact with them.
>
Well, maybe it's just me and my timezone, but I haven't met Dan in IRC in
months.

So what's the preferred way to request designer input nowadays? Start a G+
text "hangount"?
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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Fwd: Google+

[Cassidy James]

That could work, but honestly assigning a bug on lp to the UX team
(elementary-design) is probably preferred.
On Mar 27, 2014 8:58 AM, "Shnatsel ."  wrote:

> > That isn't to say that we're not using IRC or the ML anymore, but if
>> you're wondering why they are much quieter, now you know. So if you're not
>> following the elementary community on G+, you should definitely do that.
>> And if you have email notifications turned off for launchpad, you should
>> create some mail filters instead.
>>
>> Also, there are sections within the community; use them. Dan isn't saying
>> we're moving 100% of communication and interaction to Google+, he's saying
>> we've naturally started using it more and at the same time have gotten more
>> efficient with Launchpad. It happens that most developers are on Google+
>> already, so it has become an easy way to get in contact with them.
>>
> Well, maybe it's just me and my timezone, but I haven't met Dan in IRC in
> months.
>
> So what's the preferred way to request designer input nowadays? Start a G+
> text "hangount"?
>
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[Elementary-dev-community] Fwd: Google Summer of Code Ideas

[Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff]

2014-02-19 3:33 GMT+04:00 marco benzi :

 If you could make a list I'd be more than happy to help!
>
> Marco
> -
>

Please use "reply to all" next time, the message didn't go to the list.

We have an all-encompassing wishlist at
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wFTYGaP9RR5JwT4qQfix84-TfeFaDNX9iFviVtuCAi4/edit

But for a start we need to improve the current developer documentation:

In the dev guide we should at least link to
http://valadoc.elementaryos.org/granite/index.htm for API reference, link
to Vala tutorial  and
migration
guides , and
to some GTK+ tutorial (GNOME developer screencasts?).

We're also missing documentation on libswitchboard and Contractor; creation
of Switchboard plugs via libpantheon is kinda sorta documented, but we've
ditched that for libswitchboard and there are no docs on that in the
website. Gotta fix that.

Finally, we have Contractor; we used to have .contract file format
documentation in the old website but it's now gone.
The Granite wrapper API is *sort of* documented in the Granite valadoc, but
the version in the website is pre-0.2.2 and doesn't include some useful
0.2.2+ symbols.
The D-bus API is documented in Contractor
specificationonly,
which is obscure and nobody will ever find.
I have example code for both the Vala wrapper and raw API in
https://code.launchpad.net/~elementary-pantheon/contractor/contractor-clibut
that's a very obscure location too.
And we have no UX guidelines for Contractor written, but that's a task for
the design team.

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