[Elementary-dev-community] Google+

2014-03-15 Thread Daniel Foré
Hey everyone,

As you've probably noticed, many of us are spending more and more time
interacting on G+ and Launchpad only and less time on IRC, the ML, etc.
This is because IRC and the ML suck and it's 2014 where we want to share
things in a way that isn't totally lame. Plus our workflow on launchpad is
pretty locked in so it's easier to get all the right people involved on a
MR, through a bug report, a blueprint, etc.

That isn't to say that we're not using IRC or the ML anymore, but if you're
wondering why they are much quieter, now you know. So if you're not
following the elementary community on G+, you should definitely do that.
And if you have email notifications turned off for launchpad, you should
create some mail filters instead.

Personally, I'm much more inclined to share things that are more-or-less
private on G+ than to post here just because I know we have a lot of
non-devs that listen in here (especially press. Sorry dudes). But on the
other end of the spectrum, it makes non-private stuff much more available
to non-devs and I think should be more effective in terms of attracting new
people.

So, as that stupid image that went around on facebook however long ago
said, We've moved to Google+.

Best Regards,

Daniel Foré

elementaryos.org
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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Google+

2014-03-15 Thread Alfredo Hernández
Sounds like a logical move for me.

Cheers,
Alfredo
On 16 Mar 2014 02:26, Daniel Foré dan...@elementaryos.org wrote:

 Hey everyone,

 As you've probably noticed, many of us are spending more and more time
 interacting on G+ and Launchpad only and less time on IRC, the ML, etc.
 This is because IRC and the ML suck and it's 2014 where we want to share
 things in a way that isn't totally lame. Plus our workflow on launchpad is
 pretty locked in so it's easier to get all the right people involved on a
 MR, through a bug report, a blueprint, etc.

 That isn't to say that we're not using IRC or the ML anymore, but if
 you're wondering why they are much quieter, now you know. So if you're not
 following the elementary community on G+, you should definitely do that.
 And if you have email notifications turned off for launchpad, you should
 create some mail filters instead.

 Personally, I'm much more inclined to share things that are more-or-less
 private on G+ than to post here just because I know we have a lot of
 non-devs that listen in here (especially press. Sorry dudes). But on the
 other end of the spectrum, it makes non-private stuff much more available
 to non-devs and I think should be more effective in terms of attracting new
 people.

 So, as that stupid image that went around on facebook however long ago
 said, We've moved to Google+.

 Best Regards,

 Daniel Foré

 elementaryos.org

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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Google+

2014-03-15 Thread Nikos Vasilakis
On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 9:26 PM, Daniel Foré dan...@elementaryos.org wrote:
 Hey everyone,

 As you've probably noticed, many of us are spending more and more time
 interacting on G+ and Launchpad only and less time on IRC, the ML, etc. This
 is because IRC and the ML suck and it's 2014 where we want to share things
 in a way that isn't totally lame. Plus our workflow on launchpad is pretty
 locked in so it's easier to get all the right people involved on a MR,
 through a bug report, a blueprint, etc.

 That isn't to say that we're not using IRC or the ML anymore, but if you're
 wondering why they are much quieter, now you know. So if you're not
 following the elementary community on G+, you should definitely do that. And
 if you have email notifications turned off for launchpad, you should create
 some mail filters instead.

 Personally, I'm much more inclined to share things that are more-or-less
 private on G+ than to post here just because I know we have a lot of
 non-devs that listen in here (especially press. Sorry dudes).

How are you going to monitor who follows on google+ so that you can
share private things?

Also, I would expect more non-technical (e.g., press etc.) people on
G+ than in the dev-community mailing list. Am I wrong?

 But on the
 other end of the spectrum, it makes non-private stuff much more available to
 non-devs and I think should be more effective in terms of attracting new
 people.

 So, as that stupid image that went around on facebook however long ago said,
 We've moved to Google+.

 Best Regards,

 Daniel Foré

 elementaryos.org

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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Google+

2014-03-15 Thread Daniel Foré
Nikos,


Because google+ allows private posts. So if you're the intended recipient 
you'll be included there. Just like if someone sent you a specific email 
instead of the list.




And re-read the last paragraph ;p
Cheers,

Daniel Foré
elementaryos.org

On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 7:28 PM, Nikos Vasilakis nikos.a...@gmail.com
wrote:

 On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 9:26 PM, Daniel Foré dan...@elementaryos.org wrote:
 Hey everyone,

 As you've probably noticed, many of us are spending more and more time
 interacting on G+ and Launchpad only and less time on IRC, the ML, etc. This
 is because IRC and the ML suck and it's 2014 where we want to share things
 in a way that isn't totally lame. Plus our workflow on launchpad is pretty
 locked in so it's easier to get all the right people involved on a MR,
 through a bug report, a blueprint, etc.

 That isn't to say that we're not using IRC or the ML anymore, but if you're
 wondering why they are much quieter, now you know. So if you're not
 following the elementary community on G+, you should definitely do that. And
 if you have email notifications turned off for launchpad, you should create
 some mail filters instead.

 Personally, I'm much more inclined to share things that are more-or-less
 private on G+ than to post here just because I know we have a lot of
 non-devs that listen in here (especially press. Sorry dudes).
 How are you going to monitor who follows on google+ so that you can
 share private things?
 Also, I would expect more non-technical (e.g., press etc.) people on
 G+ than in the dev-community mailing list. Am I wrong?
 But on the
 other end of the spectrum, it makes non-private stuff much more available to
 non-devs and I think should be more effective in terms of attracting new
 people.

 So, as that stupid image that went around on facebook however long ago said,
 We've moved to Google+.

 Best Regards,

 Daniel Foré

 elementaryos.org

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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Google Summer of Code Ideas

2014-02-20 Thread Pepijn de Vos
I'll repeat this as I'm also guilty of not reply-all'ing (reply-to 
header anyone?)


It would be a huge help to have bugs labeled as easy and/or having a 
mentor available. See Mozilla for an example: 
https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Introduction


I looked at the issue tracker for something I could help with, but 
there is just so much.


Maybe I'll start fixing this minor annoyance I found 
https://bugs.launchpad.net/gala/+bug/1278131


Pepijn

On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 7:26 PM, Nikos Vasilakis nikos.a...@gmail.com 
wrote:

This is a good point, and it is a universal challenge (in both open
source and proprietary projects). It needs effort.

But there must be correlation between successful projects and
well-documented ones: If actively try to lower the barrier one needs
to overcome to start working with elementary (both on the core
projects and at the application layer, but we are mostly talking about
the first) we will get more people contributing, and contributions of
better (or aligned) quality.

Nikos

On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 12:25 PM, Daniel Foré 
dan...@elementaryos.org wrote:
 The bigger problem than docs being boring is that the chance you're 
a
 writer, understand what you're writing, and also understand how to 
teach is

 extremely low.

 The google doc we started that one time was a complete piece of 
crap.
 Technical writing isn't just boring, it's incredibly difficult to 
do right

 Cheers,

 Daniel Foré
 elementaryos.org


 On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 10:16 AM, Sergey Shnatsel Davidoff
 ser...@elementaryos.org wrote:


 We're missing a ton of other docs in the website too, but you know 
how it
 goes - writing docs is boring and everybody has better things 
to do.






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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Google Summer of Code Ideas

2014-02-20 Thread Sergey Shnatsel Davidoff
2014-02-20 17:18 GMT+04:00 Pepijn de Vos pepijnde...@gmail.com:

It would be a huge help to have bugs labeled as easy and/or having a mentor
 available. See Mozilla for an example:
 https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Introduction


Actually, we at least used to have something similar - the easy bugs and
the ones good for starters were labeled bitesize. It seems we still have
42 such bugs open, see
https://bugs.launchpad.net/elementary/+bugs?field.tag=bitesize

If this is not documented in the get involved page, that should be fixed
as well. Also IMHO we should link to get involved from the developer
guide and note that working on existing apps is preferable over making yet
more of them.

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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Google Summer of Code Ideas

2014-02-19 Thread Sergey Shnatsel Davidoff
2014-02-19 18:32 GMT+04:00 Sergey Shnatsel Davidoff 
ser...@elementaryos.org:

 Finally, we have Contractor; we used to have .contract file format
 documentation in the old website but it's now gone.
 The Granite wrapper API is *sort of* documented in the Granite valadoc,
 but the version in the website is pre-0.2.2 and doesn't include some useful
 0.2.2+ symbols.


Actually they're probably not 0.2.2+, they're 0.2.3+, I have no idea why
though.

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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Google Summer of Code Ideas

2014-02-19 Thread Nikos Vasilakis
This is a good point, and it is a universal challenge (in both open
source and proprietary projects). It needs effort.

But there must be correlation between successful projects and
well-documented ones: If actively try to lower the barrier one needs
to overcome to start working with elementary (both on the core
projects and at the application layer, but we are mostly talking about
the first) we will get more people contributing, and contributions of
better (or aligned) quality.

Nikos

On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 12:25 PM, Daniel Foré dan...@elementaryos.org wrote:
 The bigger problem than docs being boring is that the chance you're a
 writer, understand what you're writing, and also understand how to teach is
 extremely low.

 The google doc we started that one time was a complete piece of crap.
 Technical writing isn't just boring, it's incredibly difficult to do right
 Cheers,

 Daniel Foré
 elementaryos.org


 On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 10:16 AM, Sergey Shnatsel Davidoff
 ser...@elementaryos.org wrote:

 We're missing a ton of other docs in the website too, but you know how it
 goes - writing docs is boring and everybody has better things to do.



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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Google Summer of Code Ideas

2014-02-18 Thread Nikos Vasilakis
On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 1:01 PM, Nikos Vasilakis nikos.a...@gmail.com wrote:
 I believe you wanted to reply to all (which I do).

 I agree. In general, I believe that our contribution guidelines are
 broken. For coders in particular, heading to the developer section of
 the website has a light introduction to vala, but says nothing on how
 to actually contribute to elementary (i.e., what is current
 target/milestone, how to pick goals to tackle, how to assign
 blueprint/bug to you or notify developers that you started working on
 something etc.).

 So a question is, do we have such a text somewhere internally (which
 we need only to polish and get online) or do we have to write it from
 scratch?

Well, to answer my own question, I believe the page I was looking for
was get ./get-involved, which has many of the things I was talking
about. But it still lacks guidelines. How would you go about
contributing? Should you first engage in the blueprint discussion? Or
when the blueprint is settled you can assign it to you? Or do you need
to create a bug with the same name as the blueprint and start working
on that? (I believe it is the last one) How do you pick lower hanging
fruits?

If you spend some time on the project, you soon have answers to most
of these. But shouldn't we make these readily available to potential
contributors?

 Nikos

 On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 12:47 PM, Pepijn de Vos pepijnde...@gmail.com wrote:
 At Mozilla they have a system where bugs are tagged as easy and/or having a
 mentor available. This is maybe another way of attracting contributors.

 I'd be happy to fix some low hanging fruit knowing there is someone to
 assist me if I get stuck.

 Pepijn


 On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 12:08 AM, Nikos Vasilakis nikos.a...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Thanks, David. On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 11:19 AM, David Gomes
 da...@elementaryos.org wrote:

 We decided not to apply given that we need to give higher focus to
 stabilizing our current projects and not just writing a bunch of new ones.
 On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 4:12 PM, Nikos Vasilakis nikos.a...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Did we apply, eventually? On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 1:24 PM, Daniel Foré
 dan...@elementaryos.org wrote:  To be clear, what I'm saying is maybe we
 shouldn't be trying to make up  stuff to do just to participate in Gsoc
 when we already have quite a lot  to  do even though it doesn't fit into
 Gsoc  Cheers,   Daniel Foré  elementaryos.orgOn Fri, Feb 14, 2014
 at 10:05 AM, Daniel Foré dan...@elementaryos.org  wrote:   This
 thread is starting to look and sound like just a massive  distraction. 
 We already have quite a lot of very important things to do. I think one 
 of  the most important of which is get AppCenter to a shippable state. 
 New things are cool and fun and exciting, but if we really have the 
 extra  time and resources I think we should be focusing on making sure
 what we  already have is the best it can be.   * There is still no
 search in Files  * We just picked up Photos which needs a lot of work to
 bring its UI  into  alignment with our other apps  * judging by the
 popularity of indicator synapse, we should probably  investigate using
 libsynapse to improve the results in Slingshot  * We need to fix
 deprecation warnings involving granite and gtk  * Pantheon Online Accounts
 needs to be integrated into our default apps  * Indicators are holding us
 back from Pantheon running on other  platforms  and frankly their
 designs aren't the best they could be.  * Audience could use its UI
 re-written in GTK (instead of raw Cairo)  now  that we have things like
 overlay and revealer and can use custom CSS   I mean there are literally
 a couple thousand bug reports open right  now.  Cheers,   Daniel
 Foré  elementaryos.orgOn Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 9:21 AM, Pepijn de
 Vos pepijnde...@gmail.com  wrote:   This tread is just the best
 way of finding software I need :)   Would be cool if they where more
 easily discoverable though.  This was a good start:  
 http://www.elementaryupdate.com/2013/08/top-things-to-do-after-installing-luna.html
  Elementary's new motto: There's a PPA for that!   But...
 what's wrong with just using Dropbox or UbuntuOne?   I am aware that
 Preview does SOME things, but I never looked closely.   So much Mac
 stealing going on here :D  OS X is good, but not everything that's good
 is OS X.   Pepijn   On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 3:28 PM, Nikos
 Vasilakis  nikos.a...@gmail.com  wrote:   Also, we have
 something similar, I believe:  https://github.com/kjlaw89/draw On Fri,
 Feb 14, 2014 at 9:18 AM,  Tristan  Petersen trista...@me.com wrote:
  Pepijn, Are you familiar with the annotations feature of Mac OS X
 Preview  app? It does essentially what you describe. I use it all the
 time to  quickly  annotate screenshots or pdfs. Regards, Tristan 
 On Feb 14, 2014, at 3:41, Pepijn de Vos pepijnde...@gmail.com wrote:
 Another random idea, that is not a ripoff of OS X is... MS Paint! 
 Something  to annotate screenshots or draw a 

Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Google Summer of Code Ideas

2014-02-18 Thread Nikos Vasilakis
I believe you wanted to reply to all (which I do).

I agree. In general, I believe that our contribution guidelines are
broken. For coders in particular, heading to the developer section of
the website has a light introduction to vala, but says nothing on how
to actually contribute to elementary (i.e., what is current
target/milestone, how to pick goals to tackle, how to assign
blueprint/bug to you or notify developers that you started working on
something etc.).

So a question is, do we have such a text somewhere internally (which
we need only to polish and get online) or do we have to write it from
scratch?

Nikos

On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 12:47 PM, Pepijn de Vos pepijnde...@gmail.com wrote:
 At Mozilla they have a system where bugs are tagged as easy and/or having a
 mentor available. This is maybe another way of attracting contributors.

 I'd be happy to fix some low hanging fruit knowing there is someone to
 assist me if I get stuck.

 Pepijn


 On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 12:08 AM, Nikos Vasilakis nikos.a...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Thanks, David. On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 11:19 AM, David Gomes
 da...@elementaryos.org wrote:

 We decided not to apply given that we need to give higher focus to
 stabilizing our current projects and not just writing a bunch of new ones.
 On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 4:12 PM, Nikos Vasilakis nikos.a...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Did we apply, eventually? On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 1:24 PM, Daniel Foré
 dan...@elementaryos.org wrote:  To be clear, what I'm saying is maybe we
 shouldn't be trying to make up  stuff to do just to participate in Gsoc
 when we already have quite a lot  to  do even though it doesn't fit into
 Gsoc  Cheers,   Daniel Foré  elementaryos.orgOn Fri, Feb 14, 2014
 at 10:05 AM, Daniel Foré dan...@elementaryos.org  wrote:   This
 thread is starting to look and sound like just a massive  distraction. 
 We already have quite a lot of very important things to do. I think one 
 of  the most important of which is get AppCenter to a shippable state. 
 New things are cool and fun and exciting, but if we really have the 
 extra  time and resources I think we should be focusing on making sure
 what we  already have is the best it can be.   * There is still no
 search in Files  * We just picked up Photos which needs a lot of work to
 bring its UI  into  alignment with our other apps  * judging by the
 popularity of indicator synapse, we should probably  investigate using
 libsynapse to improve the results in Slingshot  * We need to fix
 deprecation warnings involving granite and gtk  * Pantheon Online Accounts
 needs to be integrated into our default apps  * Indicators are holding us
 back from Pantheon running on other  platforms  and frankly their
 designs aren't the best they could be.  * Audience could use its UI
 re-written in GTK (instead of raw Cairo)  now  that we have things like
 overlay and revealer and can use custom CSS   I mean there are literally
 a couple thousand bug reports open right  now.  Cheers,   Daniel
 Foré  elementaryos.orgOn Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 9:21 AM, Pepijn de
 Vos pepijnde...@gmail.com  wrote:   This tread is just the best
 way of finding software I need :)   Would be cool if they where more
 easily discoverable though.  This was a good start:  
 http://www.elementaryupdate.com/2013/08/top-things-to-do-after-installing-luna.html
  Elementary's new motto: There's a PPA for that!   But...
 what's wrong with just using Dropbox or UbuntuOne?   I am aware that
 Preview does SOME things, but I never looked closely.   So much Mac
 stealing going on here :D  OS X is good, but not everything that's good
 is OS X.   Pepijn   On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 3:28 PM, Nikos
 Vasilakis  nikos.a...@gmail.com  wrote:   Also, we have
 something similar, I believe:  https://github.com/kjlaw89/draw On Fri,
 Feb 14, 2014 at 9:18 AM,  Tristan  Petersen trista...@me.com wrote:
  Pepijn, Are you familiar with the annotations feature of Mac OS X
 Preview  app? It does essentially what you describe. I use it all the
 time to  quickly  annotate screenshots or pdfs. Regards, Tristan 
 On Feb 14, 2014, at 3:41, Pepijn de Vos pepijnde...@gmail.com wrote:
 Another random idea, that is not a ripoff of OS X is... MS Paint! 
 Something  to annotate screenshots or draw a quick schematic. For real
 photo  editing  there is gimp, but something light to quickly draw and
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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Google Summer of Code Ideas

2014-02-18 Thread Sergey Shnatsel Davidoff
We're missing a ton of other docs in the website too, but you know how it
goes - writing docs is boring and everybody has better things to do.
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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Google Summer of Code Ideas

2014-02-15 Thread Nikos Vasilakis
Did we apply, eventually?

On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 1:24 PM, Daniel Foré dan...@elementaryos.org wrote:
 To be clear, what I'm saying is maybe we shouldn't be trying to make up
 stuff to do just to participate in Gsoc when we already have quite a lot to
 do even though it doesn't fit into Gsoc
 Cheers,

 Daniel Foré
 elementaryos.org


 On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 10:05 AM, Daniel Foré dan...@elementaryos.org
 wrote:

 This thread is starting to look and sound like just a massive distraction.
 We already have quite a lot of very important things to do. I think one of
 the most important of which is get AppCenter to a shippable state.

 New things are cool and fun and exciting, but if we really have the extra
 time and resources I think we should be focusing on making sure what we
 already have is the best it can be.

 * There is still no search in Files
 * We just picked up Photos which needs a lot of work to bring its UI into
 alignment with our other apps
 * judging by the popularity of indicator synapse, we should probably
 investigate using libsynapse to improve the results in Slingshot
 * We need to fix deprecation warnings involving granite and gtk
 * Pantheon Online Accounts needs to be integrated into our default apps
 * Indicators are holding us back from Pantheon running on other platforms
 and frankly their designs aren't the best they could be.
 * Audience could use its UI re-written in GTK (instead of raw Cairo) now
 that we have things like overlay and revealer and can use custom CSS

 I mean there are literally a couple thousand bug reports open right now.
 Cheers,

 Daniel Foré
 elementaryos.org


 On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 9:21 AM, Pepijn de Vos pepijnde...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 This tread is just the best way of finding software I need :)

 Would be cool if they where more easily discoverable though.
 This was a good start:
 http://www.elementaryupdate.com/2013/08/top-things-to-do-after-installing-luna.html

 Elementary's new motto: There's a PPA for that!

 But... what's wrong with just using Dropbox or UbuntuOne?

 I am aware that Preview does SOME things, but I never looked closely.

 So much Mac stealing going on here :D
 OS X is good, but not everything that's good is OS X.

 Pepijn

 On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 3:28 PM, Nikos Vasilakis nikos.a...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Also, we have something similar, I believe:
 https://github.com/kjlaw89/draw On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 9:18 AM, Tristan
 Petersen trista...@me.com wrote:

 Pepijn, Are you familiar with the annotations feature of Mac OS X Preview
 app? It does essentially what you describe. I use it all the time to quickly
 annotate screenshots or pdfs. Regards, Tristan

 On Feb 14, 2014, at 3:41, Pepijn de Vos pepijnde...@gmail.com wrote:
 Another random idea, that is not a ripoff of OS X is... MS Paint! Something
 to annotate screenshots or draw a quick schematic. For real photo editing
 there is gimp, but something light to quickly draw and annotate is missing
 even from OS X.

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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Google Summer of Code Ideas

2014-02-15 Thread David Gomes
We decided *not* to apply given that we need to give higher focus to
stabilizing our current projects and not just writing a bunch of new ones.


On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 4:12 PM, Nikos Vasilakis nikos.a...@gmail.comwrote:

 Did we apply, eventually?

 On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 1:24 PM, Daniel Foré dan...@elementaryos.org
 wrote:
  To be clear, what I'm saying is maybe we shouldn't be trying to make up
  stuff to do just to participate in Gsoc when we already have quite a lot
 to
  do even though it doesn't fit into Gsoc
  Cheers,
 
  Daniel Foré
  elementaryos.org
 
 
  On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 10:05 AM, Daniel Foré dan...@elementaryos.org
  wrote:
 
  This thread is starting to look and sound like just a massive
 distraction.
  We already have quite a lot of very important things to do. I think one
 of
  the most important of which is get AppCenter to a shippable state.
 
  New things are cool and fun and exciting, but if we really have the
 extra
  time and resources I think we should be focusing on making sure what we
  already have is the best it can be.
 
  * There is still no search in Files
  * We just picked up Photos which needs a lot of work to bring its UI
 into
  alignment with our other apps
  * judging by the popularity of indicator synapse, we should probably
  investigate using libsynapse to improve the results in Slingshot
  * We need to fix deprecation warnings involving granite and gtk
  * Pantheon Online Accounts needs to be integrated into our default apps
  * Indicators are holding us back from Pantheon running on other
 platforms
  and frankly their designs aren't the best they could be.
  * Audience could use its UI re-written in GTK (instead of raw Cairo) now
  that we have things like overlay and revealer and can use custom CSS
 
  I mean there are literally a couple thousand bug reports open right now.
  Cheers,
 
  Daniel Foré
  elementaryos.org
 
 
  On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 9:21 AM, Pepijn de Vos pepijnde...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
  This tread is just the best way of finding software I need :)
 
  Would be cool if they where more easily discoverable though.
  This was a good start:
 
 http://www.elementaryupdate.com/2013/08/top-things-to-do-after-installing-luna.html
 
  Elementary's new motto: There's a PPA for that!
 
  But... what's wrong with just using Dropbox or UbuntuOne?
 
  I am aware that Preview does SOME things, but I never looked closely.
 
  So much Mac stealing going on here :D
  OS X is good, but not everything that's good is OS X.
 
  Pepijn
 
  On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 3:28 PM, Nikos Vasilakis nikos.a...@gmail.com
 
  wrote:
 
  Also, we have something similar, I believe:
  https://github.com/kjlaw89/draw On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 9:18 AM,
 Tristan
  Petersen trista...@me.com wrote:
 
  Pepijn, Are you familiar with the annotations feature of Mac OS X
 Preview
  app? It does essentially what you describe. I use it all the time to
 quickly
  annotate screenshots or pdfs. Regards, Tristan
 
  On Feb 14, 2014, at 3:41, Pepijn de Vos pepijnde...@gmail.com wrote:
  Another random idea, that is not a ripoff of OS X is... MS Paint!
 Something
  to annotate screenshots or draw a quick schematic. For real photo
 editing
  there is gimp, but something light to quickly draw and annotate is
 missing
  even from OS X.
 
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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Google Summer of Code Ideas

2014-02-15 Thread Nikos Vasilakis
Thanks, David.

On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 11:19 AM, David Gomes da...@elementaryos.org wrote:
 We decided not to apply given that we need to give higher focus to
 stabilizing our current projects and not just writing a bunch of new ones.


 On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 4:12 PM, Nikos Vasilakis nikos.a...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Did we apply, eventually?

 On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 1:24 PM, Daniel Foré dan...@elementaryos.org
 wrote:
  To be clear, what I'm saying is maybe we shouldn't be trying to make up
  stuff to do just to participate in Gsoc when we already have quite a lot
  to
  do even though it doesn't fit into Gsoc
  Cheers,
 
  Daniel Foré
  elementaryos.org
 
 
  On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 10:05 AM, Daniel Foré dan...@elementaryos.org
  wrote:
 
  This thread is starting to look and sound like just a massive
  distraction.
  We already have quite a lot of very important things to do. I think one
  of
  the most important of which is get AppCenter to a shippable state.
 
  New things are cool and fun and exciting, but if we really have the
  extra
  time and resources I think we should be focusing on making sure what we
  already have is the best it can be.
 
  * There is still no search in Files
  * We just picked up Photos which needs a lot of work to bring its UI
  into
  alignment with our other apps
  * judging by the popularity of indicator synapse, we should probably
  investigate using libsynapse to improve the results in Slingshot
  * We need to fix deprecation warnings involving granite and gtk
  * Pantheon Online Accounts needs to be integrated into our default apps
  * Indicators are holding us back from Pantheon running on other
  platforms
  and frankly their designs aren't the best they could be.
  * Audience could use its UI re-written in GTK (instead of raw Cairo)
  now
  that we have things like overlay and revealer and can use custom CSS
 
  I mean there are literally a couple thousand bug reports open right
  now.
  Cheers,
 
  Daniel Foré
  elementaryos.org
 
 
  On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 9:21 AM, Pepijn de Vos pepijnde...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
  This tread is just the best way of finding software I need :)
 
  Would be cool if they where more easily discoverable though.
  This was a good start:
 
  http://www.elementaryupdate.com/2013/08/top-things-to-do-after-installing-luna.html
 
  Elementary's new motto: There's a PPA for that!
 
  But... what's wrong with just using Dropbox or UbuntuOne?
 
  I am aware that Preview does SOME things, but I never looked closely.
 
  So much Mac stealing going on here :D
  OS X is good, but not everything that's good is OS X.
 
  Pepijn
 
  On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 3:28 PM, Nikos Vasilakis
  nikos.a...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
  Also, we have something similar, I believe:
  https://github.com/kjlaw89/draw On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 9:18 AM,
  Tristan
  Petersen trista...@me.com wrote:
 
  Pepijn, Are you familiar with the annotations feature of Mac OS X
  Preview
  app? It does essentially what you describe. I use it all the time to
  quickly
  annotate screenshots or pdfs. Regards, Tristan
 
  On Feb 14, 2014, at 3:41, Pepijn de Vos pepijnde...@gmail.com wrote:
  Another random idea, that is not a ripoff of OS X is... MS Paint!
  Something
  to annotate screenshots or draw a quick schematic. For real photo
  editing
  there is gimp, but something light to quickly draw and annotate is
  missing
  even from OS X.
 
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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Google Summer of Code Ideas

2014-02-14 Thread Pepijn de Vos
What I think the OP suggested Contractor for, and what shell scripting 
does not provide is an API to GUI applications.


In AppleScript you could move windows around, show pages in Safari, add 
events to iCal, play songs in iTunes.
I implemented things like a tiling WM, a script to open links in 
whatever browser is currently running and more in AppleScript.


It also lets you do things like download something with Safari, resize 
images with Preview, but on Linux this is better handled with 
ImageMagic, curl and other cli tools.


Another random idea, that is not a ripoff of OS X is... MS Paint!
Something to annotate screenshots or draw a quick schematic.
For real photo editing there is gimp, but something light to quickly 
draw and annotate is missing even from OS X.


I'm not so much after the fingerpainting part, for which a dozen paint 
clones exist.
I'm thinking paint with a iLife mindset: make is easy for amateurs to 
make professional graphics.
Check some of the OmniGroup software, and imagine a subset of 
OmniGraffle and OmniDazzle.


Pepijn

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ser...@elementaryos.org wrote:
Well, there's a number of visual programming environments out there 
already and I can't see how this relates to elementary specifically. 
It's more of a project for the Raspberry Pi community.


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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Google Summer of Code Ideas

2014-02-14 Thread Tristan Petersen
Pepijn,

Are you familiar with the annotations feature of Mac OS X Preview app? It does 
essentially what you describe. I use it all the time to quickly annotate 
screenshots or pdfs.

Regards,
Tristan


 On Feb 14, 2014, at 3:41, Pepijn de Vos pepijnde...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Another random idea, that is not a ripoff of OS X is... MS Paint!
 Something to annotate screenshots or draw a quick schematic.
 For real photo editing there is gimp, but something light to quickly draw and 
 annotate is missing even from OS X.

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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Google Summer of Code Ideas

2014-02-14 Thread Nikos Vasilakis
Also, we have something similar, I believe: https://github.com/kjlaw89/draw

On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 9:18 AM, Tristan Petersen trista...@me.com wrote:
 Pepijn,

 Are you familiar with the annotations feature of Mac OS X Preview app? It 
 does essentially what you describe. I use it all the time to quickly annotate 
 screenshots or pdfs.

 Regards,
 Tristan


 On Feb 14, 2014, at 3:41, Pepijn de Vos pepijnde...@gmail.com wrote:

 Another random idea, that is not a ripoff of OS X is... MS Paint!
 Something to annotate screenshots or draw a quick schematic.
 For real photo editing there is gimp, but something light to quickly draw 
 and annotate is missing even from OS X.

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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Google Summer of Code Ideas

2014-02-14 Thread Pepijn de Vos

This tread is just the best way of finding software I need :)
Would be cool if they where more easily discoverable though.
This was a good start: 
http://www.elementaryupdate.com/2013/08/top-things-to-do-after-installing-luna.html


Elementary's new motto: There's a PPA for that!

But... what's wrong with just using Dropbox or UbuntuOne?

I am aware that Preview does SOME things, but I never looked closely.

So much Mac stealing going on here :D
OS X is good, but not everything that's good is OS X.

Pepijn

On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 3:28 PM, Nikos Vasilakis nikos.a...@gmail.com 
wrote:
Also, we have something similar, I believe: 
https://github.com/kjlaw89/draw


On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 9:18 AM, Tristan Petersen trista...@me.com 
wrote:

 Pepijn,

 Are you familiar with the annotations feature of Mac OS X Preview 
app? It does essentially what you describe. I use it all the time to 
quickly annotate screenshots or pdfs.


 Regards,
 Tristan


 On Feb 14, 2014, at 3:41, Pepijn de Vos pepijnde...@gmail.com 
wrote:


 Another random idea, that is not a ripoff of OS X is... MS Paint!
 Something to annotate screenshots or draw a quick schematic.
 For real photo editing there is gimp, but something light to 
quickly draw and annotate is missing even from OS X.



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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Google Summer of Code Ideas

2014-02-14 Thread Daniel Foré
This thread is starting to look and sound like just a massive distraction. We 
already have quite a lot of very important things to do. I think one of the 
most important of which is get AppCenter to a shippable state.


New things are cool and fun and exciting, but if we really have the extra time 
and resources I think we should be focusing on making sure what we already have 
is the best it can be.




* There is still no search in Files

* We just picked up Photos which needs a lot of work to bring its UI into 
alignment with our other apps

* judging by the popularity of indicator synapse, we should probably 
investigate using libsynapse to improve the results in Slingshot

* We need to fix deprecation warnings involving granite and gtk

* Pantheon Online Accounts needs to be integrated into our default apps

* Indicators are holding us back from Pantheon running on other platforms and 
frankly their designs aren't the best they could be.

* Audience could use its UI re-written in GTK (instead of raw Cairo) now that 
we have things like overlay and revealer and can use custom CSS




I mean there are literally a couple thousand bug reports open right now.
Cheers,

Daniel Foré
elementaryos.org

On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 9:21 AM, Pepijn de Vos pepijnde...@gmail.com
wrote:

 This tread is just the best way of finding software I need :)
 Would be cool if they where more easily discoverable though.
 This was a good start: 
 http://www.elementaryupdate.com/2013/08/top-things-to-do-after-installing-luna.html
 Elementary's new motto: There's a PPA for that!
 But... what's wrong with just using Dropbox or UbuntuOne?
 I am aware that Preview does SOME things, but I never looked closely.
 So much Mac stealing going on here :D
 OS X is good, but not everything that's good is OS X.
 Pepijn
 On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 3:28 PM, Nikos Vasilakis nikos.a...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 Also, we have something similar, I believe: 
 https://github.com/kjlaw89/draw
 
 On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 9:18 AM, Tristan Petersen trista...@me.com 
 wrote:
  Pepijn,
 
  Are you familiar with the annotations feature of Mac OS X Preview 
 app? It does essentially what you describe. I use it all the time to 
 quickly annotate screenshots or pdfs.
 
  Regards,
  Tristan
 
 
  On Feb 14, 2014, at 3:41, Pepijn de Vos pepijnde...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
  Another random idea, that is not a ripoff of OS X is... MS Paint!
  Something to annotate screenshots or draw a quick schematic.
  For real photo editing there is gimp, but something light to 
 quickly draw and annotate is missing even from OS X.
 
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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Google Summer of Code Ideas

2014-02-14 Thread Daniel Foré
To be clear, what I'm saying is maybe we shouldn't be trying to make up stuff 
to do just to participate in Gsoc when we already have quite a lot to do even 
though it doesn't fit into Gsoc Cheers,

Daniel Foré
elementaryos.org

On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 10:05 AM, Daniel Foré dan...@elementaryos.org
wrote:

 This thread is starting to look and sound like just a massive distraction. We 
 already have quite a lot of very important things to do. I think one of the 
 most important of which is get AppCenter to a shippable state.
 New things are cool and fun and exciting, but if we really have the extra 
 time and resources I think we should be focusing on making sure what we 
 already have is the best it can be.
 * There is still no search in Files
 * We just picked up Photos which needs a lot of work to bring its UI into 
 alignment with our other apps
 * judging by the popularity of indicator synapse, we should probably 
 investigate using libsynapse to improve the results in Slingshot
 * We need to fix deprecation warnings involving granite and gtk
 * Pantheon Online Accounts needs to be integrated into our default apps
 * Indicators are holding us back from Pantheon running on other platforms and 
 frankly their designs aren't the best they could be.
 * Audience could use its UI re-written in GTK (instead of raw Cairo) now that 
 we have things like overlay and revealer and can use custom CSS
 I mean there are literally a couple thousand bug reports open right now.
 Cheers,
 Daniel Foré
 elementaryos.org
 On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 9:21 AM, Pepijn de Vos pepijnde...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 This tread is just the best way of finding software I need :)
 Would be cool if they where more easily discoverable though.
 This was a good start: 
 http://www.elementaryupdate.com/2013/08/top-things-to-do-after-installing-luna.html
 Elementary's new motto: There's a PPA for that!
 But... what's wrong with just using Dropbox or UbuntuOne?
 I am aware that Preview does SOME things, but I never looked closely.
 So much Mac stealing going on here :D
 OS X is good, but not everything that's good is OS X.
 Pepijn
 On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 3:28 PM, Nikos Vasilakis nikos.a...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 Also, we have something similar, I believe: 
 https://github.com/kjlaw89/draw
 
 On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 9:18 AM, Tristan Petersen trista...@me.com 
 wrote:
  Pepijn,
 
  Are you familiar with the annotations feature of Mac OS X Preview 
 app? It does essentially what you describe. I use it all the time to 
 quickly annotate screenshots or pdfs.
 
  Regards,
  Tristan
 
 
  On Feb 14, 2014, at 3:41, Pepijn de Vos pepijnde...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
  Another random idea, that is not a ripoff of OS X is... MS Paint!
  Something to annotate screenshots or draw a quick schematic.
  For real photo editing there is gimp, but something light to 
 quickly draw and annotate is missing even from OS X.
 
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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Google Summer of Code Ideas

2014-02-13 Thread Pepijn de Vos

A proper IRC client.

I know Empathy does IRC, but it is unsuitable for real use.
Try opening a few dozen channels in its tabbed interface.
Try idling in a busy channel.

All the real IRC clients either *are* a terminal app,  or look like 
terminal app in a GTK window. Compare some screens from Textual to 
XChat.


A client with proper spacing, alignment, typesetting, focus...
In short; a design-driven IRC client.

I think this should be doable in 3 months.

Pepijn

On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 6:55 PM, Sergey Shnatsel Davidoff 
ser...@elementaryos.org wrote:
FYI we already have a time machine application, Cronopete. The 
interesting work items for it are 
1) btrfs snapshots or even old copy-on-write versions of files 
outside of snapshots as storage medium, instead of a dedicated 
partition and 
2) Integration into applications, much like for Contractor clients


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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Google Summer of Code Ideas

2014-02-13 Thread Marco Benzi
I was thinking about a visual programming experience for the end user who might 
be unfamiliar with bash. Also, depending on implementation, the app could reach 
beyond the scope of elementary, becoming useful for other distros.  Just my two 
cents.

Cheers,
Marco

El 13-02-2014, a las 9:53, Sergey Shnatsel Davidoff ser...@elementaryos.org 
escribió:

 I've looked up Automator in Wikipedia and I can't see how that's related to 
 Contractor. Contractor is designed to be operated by the user, its actions 
 are not designed to be automatable. 
 
 Actually, automating such actions is an unrelated problem, but IMHO shell 
 scripting suits that use case just fine already.
 
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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Google Summer of Code Ideas

2014-02-13 Thread Sergey Shnatsel Davidoff
Well, there's a number of visual programming environments out there already
and I can't see how this relates to elementary specifically. It's more of a
project for the Raspberry Pi community.

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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Google Summer of Code Ideas

2014-02-12 Thread Nikos Vasilakis
Great application everyone,

I made a number of textual refinements to the GSOC text, hopefully
beneficial! Someone with edit capability could pull them in the text
(if the GSOC-related people agree).

I haven't gone through the ideas yet. I will try to do it tonight and
work on a snapshots/time-machine section as well (and RFC!).

Good luck!
Nikos

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ser...@elementaryos.org wrote:
 OK, I have an idea that's been collecting the metaphorical dust for many a
 month.

 In a nutshell, the current Open or Save? dialogs in web browsers that they
 show when encountering a non-web file are terrible; how can I choose if I
 want to keep the file before I even see it? And why the hell can't I keep
 the file without re-downloading it?

 The proper UX would be to open all files that are not web pages in a
 dedicated viewer, and the dedicated viewer should then allow to save the
 file for later after you see the contents and possibly edit it.
 This should apply even if the browser sort of supports this file type, e.g.
 for images - web browsers make for terrible image viewers!

 AFAIR the basic idea got the green light from Dan, I believe he will reply
 to this thread if he has anything to add :)
 I think had a slightly more complete writeup here:
 https://docs.google.com/document/d/1kfI-JB80egEmix0HIJkDkDtMHGF_xeQMqQANqIxxnlo/edit

 This sounds like a trivial feature, but it would make worlds of difference
 and it is not trivial to implement because you need a FreeDesktop.org-vetted
 protocol for signalling show the save button from browser to apps, you
 need support for this workflow in both web browser and apps, you need to
 handle legacy apps and be able to tell which are which, you need the keep
 this file action to be extensible and system-defined so that we could do
 things like keeping all viewed files for a week without altering the apps,
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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Google Summer of Code Ideas

2014-02-12 Thread Sergey Shnatsel Davidoff
FYI we already have a time machine application, Cronopete. The interesting
work items for it are
1) btrfs snapshots or even old copy-on-write versions of files outside of
snapshots as storage medium, instead of a dedicated partition and
2) Integration into applications, much like for Contractor clients
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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Google Summer of Code Ideas

2014-02-11 Thread Cameron Norman
The first one that comes to mind is presentation software (like Ease, 
but obviously more mature).


Another idea that has been floating around in my mind is an elementary 
HIG'd audio session manager (check out Gladish, Claudia, Non Session 
Manager for an example of what this is) that would stress the ideas of 
automatically saved state and easy undo.


Cheers,
Cameron

El Tue, 11 de Feb 2014 a las 1:43 PM, David Gomes 
da...@elementaryos.org escribió:

Hi everyone,

It turns out that one of the reasons we weren't accepted for GSOC 
last year was the lack of quality ideas. It seems then that projects 
for GSOC should be 3 months of work. Maybe for one of us (the regular 
developers) they'd be 1 month of work, but they should be 3 months of 
work for a newcomer to elementary.


Having said that, I need you guys to tell me all of your ideas! Which 
ideas? Anything that's doable in 3 months (and especially NEW APPS, 
not plugins, not new features on existing apps).


tl;dr;requesting all ideas for new apps missing in the elementary 
environment that GSOC students could write with our help as mentors.


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[Elementary-dev-community] Google Summer of Code Application

2013-03-20 Thread Raphael Isemann
Hi everyone!

I think our Google Summer of Code Application [1] is more or less finished,
so take a look and write me anything that bugs you about the current draft!
Otherwise i'll send it to the Google-guys on Friday :)

[1]
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-4l33Ln7EZoAEjLF8wsvqiNU6SDOcM9BW9R2dh62thg/edit?usp=sharing

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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Google Summer Of Code

2013-02-25 Thread Akshay Shekher
About the root terminal Icon bug, I don't know how to fix it and nobody
told me it wasn't possible. :-)
It would be nice to have it fixed though.

About GSoC, great idea we will get more attention and more attention mean
more users  dev's.

Teemperor: all our irc talks are documented for eternity (logs are being
indexed by Google I think).
And sorry I couldn't think of a clever joke either :-)
*pets teemperor*

Akshay Shekher
voldyman
On Feb 24, 2013 5:15 PM, Teemperor teempe...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi everyone,

 i hope everyone is reading this thread carefully ;).

 The situation is the following, we have from 18 march to 29 march time to
 send our application.

 The schedule is here:
 http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2013 (scroll down)

 I already created a Google Docs document regarding the question we need to
 answer in the application and shared it with coun...@elementaryos.org
 as i'm not sure if there is anyone against making that public visible
 (other organizations keep it hidden it seems, at least KDE does, but i
 don't want to decide that on my own if we publish that).

 We need an administrator and a backup administrator, i think they just do
 the communication stuff with Google (AFAIK), i think cody or dan are
 suitable persons for that.

 We also need mentors. Mentors are the people for tutoring the students,
 despite i'm not an official member yet of the elementary team, i'll just
 volunteer as i have the spare time do the job, so we have already one. The
 more the better!

 Ok, before the people in #elementary are going to hurt me i'll end this
 message and hope for some replys :) (I already see fabian lurking around
 the docs page).

 (Oh dear, my IRC-talk got documented for eternity and i haven't made a
 good joke about me and voldy)

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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Google Summer Of Code

2013-02-25 Thread David Gomes
I already asked eshat to unindex them from google using robots.txt or
whatever, and he did it, they don't show on Google now (I think).


On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 11:45 AM, Akshay Shekher voldyman...@gmail.comwrote:

 About the root terminal Icon bug, I don't know how to fix it and nobody
 told me it wasn't possible. :-)
 It would be nice to have it fixed though.

 About GSoC, great idea we will get more attention and more attention mean
 more users  dev's.

 Teemperor: all our irc talks are documented for eternity (logs are being
 indexed by Google I think).
 And sorry I couldn't think of a clever joke either :-)
 *pets teemperor*

 Akshay Shekher
  On Feb 24, 2013 5:15 PM, Teemperor teempe...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi everyone,

 i hope everyone is reading this thread carefully ;).

 The situation is the following, we have from 18 march to 29 march time to
 send our application.

 The schedule is here:
 http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2013 (scroll down)

 I already created a Google Docs document regarding the question we need
 to answer in the application and shared it with coun...@elementaryos.org
 as i'm not sure if there is anyone against making that public visible
 (other organizations keep it hidden it seems, at least KDE does, but i
 don't want to decide that on my own if we publish that).

 We need an administrator and a backup administrator, i think they just do
 the communication stuff with Google (AFAIK), i think cody or dan are
 suitable persons for that.

 We also need mentors. Mentors are the people for tutoring the students,
 despite i'm not an official member yet of the elementary team, i'll just
 volunteer as i have the spare time do the job, so we have already one. The
 more the better!

 Ok, before the people in #elementary are going to hurt me i'll end this
 message and hope for some replys :) (I already see fabian lurking around
 the docs page).

 (Oh dear, my IRC-talk got documented for eternity and i haven't made a
 good joke about me and voldy)

 Regards, Raphael teemperor Isemann

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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Google Summer Of Code

2013-02-25 Thread Sergey Shnatsel Davidoff
2013/2/25 Akshay Shekher voldyman...@gmail.com:
 About the root terminal Icon bug, I don't know how to fix it and nobody told
 me it wasn't possible. :-)
 It would be nice to have it fixed though.

It's been fixed for a while now, rejoice! sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
and a reboot should get you the fix. If not, sudo apt-get install
user-specific-alternatives and a reboot will.

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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Google Summer Of Code

2013-02-25 Thread David Gomes
But is it fixed on fresh ISOs?


On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 4:10 PM, Sergey Shnatsel Davidoff 
ser...@elementaryos.org wrote:

 2013/2/25 Akshay Shekher voldyman...@gmail.com:
  About the root terminal Icon bug, I don't know how to fix it and nobody
 told
  me it wasn't possible. :-)
  It would be nice to have it fixed though.

 It's been fixed for a while now, rejoice! sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
 and a reboot should get you the fix. If not, sudo apt-get install
 user-specific-alternatives and a reboot will.

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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Google Summer Of Code

2013-02-25 Thread Eduard Gotwig
There are no fresh isos


2013/2/25 David Gomes da...@elementaryos.org

 But is it fixed on fresh ISOs?


 On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 4:10 PM, Sergey Shnatsel Davidoff 
 ser...@elementaryos.org wrote:

 2013/2/25 Akshay Shekher voldyman...@gmail.com:
  About the root terminal Icon bug, I don't know how to fix it and nobody
 told
  me it wasn't possible. :-)
  It would be nice to have it fixed though.

 It's been fixed for a while now, rejoice! sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Google Summer Of Code

2013-02-25 Thread Sergey Shnatsel Davidoff
2013/2/25 Eduard Gotwig got...@ubuntu.com:
 There are no fresh isos
Yeah, so nobody really knows. But in theory it should be fixed.
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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Google Summer Of Code

2013-02-24 Thread Teemperor
Hi everyone,

i hope everyone is reading this thread carefully ;).

The situation is the following, we have from 18 march to 29 march time to send 
our application.

The schedule is here: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2013 
(scroll down)

I already created a Google Docs document regarding the question we need to 
answer in the application and shared it with coun...@elementaryos.org as i'm 
not sure if there is anyone against making that public visible (other 
organizations keep it hidden it seems, at least KDE does, but i don't want to 
decide that on my own if we publish that).

We need an administrator and a backup administrator, i think they just do the 
communication stuff with Google (AFAIK), i think cody or dan are suitable 
persons for that.

We also need mentors. Mentors are the people for tutoring the students, despite 
i'm not an official member yet of the elementary team, i'll just volunteer as i 
have the spare time do the job, so we have already one. The more the better!

Ok, before the people in #elementary are going to hurt me i'll end this message 
and hope for some replys :) (I already see fabian lurking around the docs page).

(Oh dear, my IRC-talk got documented for eternity and i haven't made a good 
joke about me and voldy)

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[Elementary-dev-community] Google Summer Of Code

2013-02-23 Thread David Gomes
Hello everyone, below is an exctract of a brief conversation that
Teemperor, Voluntatefaber and I (Munchor) just had on #elementary-dev. The
full logs can be found
here.http://lunix.math.uni-bielefeld.de/elogs/%23elementary-dev/2013-02-23.html

Anyways, it's just a discussion about elementary @ Google Summer Of Code,
it's an interesting read.

[17:43:22]http://lunix.math.uni-bielefeld.de/elogs/%23elementary-dev/2013-02-23.html#17:43:22
teemperor|afk i think there are better things to spend my time on
[17:44:06]http://lunix.math.uni-bielefeld.de/elogs/%23elementary-dev/2013-02-23.html#17:44:06-!-
krizzmp [krizzmp!~kristo...@2-107-129-118-dynamic.dk.customer.tdc.net] has
parted #elementary-dev
[17:45:07]http://lunix.math.uni-bielefeld.de/elogs/%23elementary-dev/2013-02-23.html#17:45:07
teemperor|afk as contest which purpose is to find the best then finding
the best idea or so, first one is just for your ego, last one is better
[17:45:53]http://lunix.math.uni-bielefeld.de/elogs/%23elementary-dev/2013-02-23.html#17:45:53
teemperor|afk Munchor: after release we need to get some organization, at
least enough to get accepted as google SoC project
[17:45:55]http://lunix.math.uni-bielefeld.de/elogs/%23elementary-dev/2013-02-23.html#17:45:55
teemperor|afk that would be awesome
[17:47:07]http://lunix.math.uni-bielefeld.de/elogs/%23elementary-dev/2013-02-23.html#17:47:07-!-
voluntatefaber has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds]
[17:47:36]http://lunix.math.uni-bielefeld.de/elogs/%23elementary-dev/2013-02-23.html#17:47:36-!-
voluntatefaber [voluntatefaber!~
and...@host84-144-dynamic.20-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined
#elementary-dev
[17:47:41]http://lunix.math.uni-bielefeld.de/elogs/%23elementary-dev/2013-02-23.html#17:47:41
Munchor I don't really know how SoC works
[17:48:07]http://lunix.math.uni-bielefeld.de/elogs/%23elementary-dev/2013-02-23.html#17:48:07
voluntatefaber Munchor, Soc?
[17:48:10]http://lunix.math.uni-bielefeld.de/elogs/%23elementary-dev/2013-02-23.html#17:48:10
teemperor|afk Munchor: let's find it out!
[17:48:13]http://lunix.math.uni-bielefeld.de/elogs/%23elementary-dev/2013-02-23.html#17:48:13
Munchor Google Summer Of Code
[17:48:13]http://lunix.math.uni-bielefeld.de/elogs/%23elementary-dev/2013-02-23.html#17:48:13
teemperor|afk (after release)
[17:48:30]http://lunix.math.uni-bielefeld.de/elogs/%23elementary-dev/2013-02-23.html#17:48:30
voluntatefaber Munchor, ahh, I know a bit of it
[17:48:33]http://lunix.math.uni-bielefeld.de/elogs/%23elementary-dev/2013-02-23.html#17:48:33
Munchor All I know is that GIMP guys were there once and during the next
months GIMP development went crazy
[17:48:45]http://lunix.math.uni-bielefeld.de/elogs/%23elementary-dev/2013-02-23.html#17:48:45
Munchor And the GIMP boat is sailing fast right now
[17:48:48]http://lunix.math.uni-bielefeld.de/elogs/%23elementary-dev/2013-02-23.html#17:48:48
teemperor|afk no, GIMP made their shit by themselves
[17:48:53]http://lunix.math.uni-bielefeld.de/elogs/%23elementary-dev/2013-02-23.html#17:48:53
voluntatefaber teemperor|afk, there's no time after release, registration
must be submitted at the beginning of march
[17:49:03]http://lunix.math.uni-bielefeld.de/elogs/%23elementary-dev/2013-02-23.html#17:49:03
teemperor|afk and they made awful upstream stuff
[17:49:24]http://lunix.math.uni-bielefeld.de/elogs/%23elementary-dev/2013-02-23.html#17:49:24
teemperor|afk then everything went crazy as everyone lost overview
[17:49:28]http://lunix.math.uni-bielefeld.de/elogs/%23elementary-dev/2013-02-23.html#17:49:28
voluntatefaber Munchor, teemperor|afk: I think GSoC is an awesome way
both to attract new devs and to get our devs paid for what they do
[17:50:05]http://lunix.math.uni-bielefeld.de/elogs/%23elementary-dev/2013-02-23.html#17:50:05
Munchor teemperor|afk, the GIMP Magazine, and the GIMP GEGL stuff, all
that came after SoC.
[17:50:28]http://lunix.math.uni-bielefeld.de/elogs/%23elementary-dev/2013-02-23.html#17:50:28
Munchor GIMP is very steady right now teemperor|afk, I have no idea of
what you're talking about
[17:50:36]http://lunix.math.uni-bielefeld.de/elogs/%23elementary-dev/2013-02-23.html#17:50:36
teemperor|afk Munchor: ah, you meant that SoC speed it up?
[17:50:38]http://lunix.math.uni-bielefeld.de/elogs/%23elementary-dev/2013-02-23.html#17:50:38
tom95 Munchor: I know how to fix the root-terminal icon bug in
pantheon-terminal
[17:50:40]http://lunix.math.uni-bielefeld.de/elogs/%23elementary-dev/2013-02-23.html#17:50:40
teemperor|afk Munchor: i mean the 2.8 release
[17:50:44]http://lunix.math.uni-bielefeld.de/elogs/%23elementary-dev/2013-02-23.html#17:50:44
Munchor tom95, awesome
[17:50:49]http://lunix.math.uni-bielefeld.de/elogs/%23elementary-dev/2013-02-23.html#17:50:49
teemperor|afk they blocked themselves out and pushed release far away
[17:50:56]http://lunix.math.uni-bielefeld.de/elogs/%23elementary-dev/2013-02-23.html#17:50:56
Munchor tom95, somebody else said to know too

Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Google Summer Of Code

2013-02-23 Thread Sergey Shnatsel Davidoff
Regarding GSoC, Wikipedia and Google are your friends:
https://developers.google.com/open-source/soc/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code

There's plenty of blogposts from project maintainers about GSoC
results for the projects too. And you can always drop into an IRC of
some projects that have participated and just ask for advice.
Surprisingly, it usually works.

Regarding terminal icon bug
(https://bugs.launchpad.net/elementaryos/+bug/1017171), TL;DR: I've
worked it around a while ago, sudo apt-get dist-upgrade and a reboot
should fix it. If not, sudo apt-get install
user-specific-alternatives and a reboot.

The bug is actually rooted in BAMF (https://launchpad.net/bamf) which
doesn't work well with things launched via Debian alternatives system
(http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAlternatives), probably because it's not
aware of its way of invoking binaries via chained symlinks.

The development story above is in fact accurate, except what was
proposed is an ugly workaround, not a fix. I especially like the And
then shnatsel told that person that because of something-something it
really wasn't possible. - that's the most concise way to explain it
I've seen so far!

I've eventually worked around the bug by writing a wrapper for
handling invocation of apps via alternatives system more properly in
several respects.
First, the application is invoked directly by its name looked up in
$PATH, not by a symlink that confuses BAMF and doesn't take $PATH
hierarchy into account. This fixes the wrong icon bug too.
Second, it launches the user-preferred application instead of a
package-maintainer-defined one, so if your preferred web browser is
Firefox, running x-www-browser will launch Firefox, not Midori.

Curiously, the terminal icon bug does not seem to occur in Unity, I
believe BAMF uses some other workaround there. I didn't have time to
test other alternatives system names such as x-www-browser or
gnome-text-editor though. But the wrapper could be useful in Ubuntu
even if it's not affected by this bug.

I've posted to Ubuntu-devel-discuss list about it, refer to my post
for more info on the wrapper:
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2013-January/014255.html
Getting it in Ubuntu will require more effort though and I don't have
any time to spare for such relatively minor things (blah exams blah
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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Google+ Hangouts on Air

2012-09-25 Thread Sam Tate
So are we all OK for Saturday 29th at 16:00 GMT for the first one?
On 25 Sep 2012 01:52, Daniel Fore dan...@elementaryos.org wrote:

 I'm down. My schedule is pretty tight, but if it's planned ahead of time
 I'll be there.

 On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 10:59 AM, Cassidy James cass...@elementaryos.org
 wrote:

 Just a quick reminder to make sure you're choosing the correct timezone if
 you're responding to the Doodle poll; it'll localize everyone's times for
 you when you're viewing it.

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 On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 12:37 PM, Cassidy James 
 cass...@elementaryos.orgwrote:

 To test the waters, I made a Doodle poll with some possible times for
 weekends. Although it has specific dates, just pay attention to the actual
 day. Make sure you expand it (there are a ton of options!).

 http://doodle.com/cb4if7ayg68gun6v

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 On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 12:27 PM, Voldyman voldyman...@gmail.com wrote:

 Very good idea. I was talking to munchor about this.


 On Sep 21, 2012, at 10:42 PM, Ivo Nunes i...@elementaryos.org wrote:

 Sounds like a great idea! :)
 On 21 Sep 2012 18:09, Sam Tate  s...@mtate.me.uks...@mtate.me.uk 
 wrote:

 I'm thinking that we could do a weekly/fortnightly Google+ Hangout on
 Air (like a live video podcast) about elementary.

 We could first start off with any news or interesting items, then talk
 about concepts that we are thinking about, and then maybe answer some
 questions (kind of like an Email In thing).

 We probably need about 4-6 people, and we could rotate every episode
 depending on who could do it that week.

 Thoughts?

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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Google+ Hangouts on Air

2012-09-25 Thread Ivo Nunes
OK to me.
On 25 Sep 2012 10:48, Sam Tate s...@mtate.me.uk wrote:

 So are we all OK for Saturday 29th at 16:00 GMT for the first one?
 On 25 Sep 2012 01:52, Daniel Fore dan...@elementaryos.org wrote:

 I'm down. My schedule is pretty tight, but if it's planned ahead of time
 I'll be there.

 On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 10:59 AM, Cassidy James cass...@elementaryos.org
 wrote:

 Just a quick reminder to make sure you're choosing the correct timezone
 if you're responding to the Doodle poll; it'll localize everyone's times
 for you when you're viewing it.

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 On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 12:37 PM, Cassidy James cass...@elementaryos.org
  wrote:

 To test the waters, I made a Doodle poll with some possible times for
 weekends. Although it has specific dates, just pay attention to the actual
 day. Make sure you expand it (there are a ton of options!).

 http://doodle.com/cb4if7ayg68gun6v

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 On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 12:27 PM, Voldyman voldyman...@gmail.comwrote:

 Very good idea. I was talking to munchor about this.


 On Sep 21, 2012, at 10:42 PM, Ivo Nunes i...@elementaryos.org wrote:

 Sounds like a great idea! :)
 On 21 Sep 2012 18:09, Sam Tate  s...@mtate.me.uks...@mtate.me.uk 
 wrote:

 I'm thinking that we could do a weekly/fortnightly Google+ Hangout on
 Air (like a live video podcast) about elementary.

 We could first start off with any news or interesting items, then talk
 about concepts that we are thinking about, and then maybe answer some
 questions (kind of like an Email In thing).

 We probably need about 4-6 people, and we could rotate every episode
 depending on who could do it that week.

 Thoughts?

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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Google+ Hangouts on Air

2012-09-24 Thread Daniel Fore
I'm down. My schedule is pretty tight, but if it's planned ahead of time I'll 
be there.

On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 10:59 AM, Cassidy James cass...@elementaryos.org 
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Just a quick reminder to make sure you're choosing the correct timezone if 
you're responding to the Doodle poll; it'll localize everyone's times for you 
when you're viewing it.

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On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 12:37 PM, Cassidy James cass...@elementaryos.org 
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To test the waters, I made a Doodle poll with some possible times for weekends. 
Although it has specific dates, just pay attention to the actual day. Make sure 
you expand it (there are a ton of options!).

http://doodle.com/cb4if7ayg68gun6v

Regards,
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On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 12:27 PM, Voldyman voldyman...@gmail.com wrote:
Very good idea. I was talking to munchor about this.


On Sep 21, 2012, at 10:42 PM, Ivo Nunes i...@elementaryos.org wrote:

Sounds like a great idea! :)

On 21 Sep 2012 18:09, Sam Tate s...@mtate.me.uk wrote:
I'm thinking that we could do a weekly/fortnightly Google+ Hangout on Air (like 
a live video podcast) about elementary.

We could first start off with any news or interesting items, then talk about 
concepts that we are thinking about, and then maybe answer some questions (kind 
of like an Email In thing).

We probably need about 4-6 people, and we could rotate every episode depending 
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Thoughts?

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[Elementary-dev-community] Google+ Hangouts on Air

2012-09-21 Thread Sam Tate
I'm thinking that we could do a weekly/fortnightly Google+ Hangout on Air
(like a live video podcast) about elementary.

We could first start off with any news or interesting items, then talk
about concepts that we are thinking about, and then maybe answer some
questions (kind of like an Email In thing).

We probably need about 4-6 people, and we could rotate every episode
depending on who could do it that week.

Thoughts?
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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Google+ Hangouts on Air

2012-09-21 Thread Ivo Nunes
Sounds like a great idea! :)
On 21 Sep 2012 18:09, Sam Tate s...@mtate.me.uk wrote:

 I'm thinking that we could do a weekly/fortnightly Google+ Hangout on Air
 (like a live video podcast) about elementary.

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 about concepts that we are thinking about, and then maybe answer some
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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Google+ Hangouts on Air

2012-09-21 Thread Voldyman
Very good idea. I was talking to munchor about this.

On Sep 21, 2012, at 10:42 PM, Ivo Nunes i...@elementaryos.org wrote:

 Sounds like a great idea! :)
 
 On 21 Sep 2012 18:09, Sam Tate s...@mtate.me.uk wrote:
 I'm thinking that we could do a weekly/fortnightly Google+ Hangout on Air 
 (like a live video podcast) about elementary.
 
 We could first start off with any news or interesting items, then talk about 
 concepts that we are thinking about, and then maybe answer some questions 
 (kind of like an Email In thing).
 
 We probably need about 4-6 people, and we could rotate every episode 
 depending on who could do it that week.
 
 Thoughts?
 
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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Google+ Hangouts on Air

2012-09-21 Thread Cassidy James
To test the waters, I made a Doodle poll with some possible times for
weekends. Although it has specific dates, just pay attention to the actual
day. Make sure you expand it (there are a ton of options!).

http://doodle.com/cb4if7ayg68gun6v

Regards,
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On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 12:27 PM, Voldyman voldyman...@gmail.com wrote:

 Very good idea. I was talking to munchor about this.


 On Sep 21, 2012, at 10:42 PM, Ivo Nunes i...@elementaryos.org wrote:

 Sounds like a great idea! :)
 On 21 Sep 2012 18:09, Sam Tate  s...@mtate.me.uks...@mtate.me.uk wrote:

 I'm thinking that we could do a weekly/fortnightly Google+ Hangout on Air
 (like a live video podcast) about elementary.

 We could first start off with any news or interesting items, then talk
 about concepts that we are thinking about, and then maybe answer some
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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Google+ Hangouts on Air

2012-09-21 Thread Cassidy James
Just a quick reminder to make sure you're choosing the correct timezone if
you're responding to the Doodle poll; it'll localize everyone's times for
you when you're viewing it.

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On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 12:37 PM, Cassidy James cass...@elementaryos.orgwrote:

 To test the waters, I made a Doodle poll with some possible times for
 weekends. Although it has specific dates, just pay attention to the actual
 day. Make sure you expand it (there are a ton of options!).

 http://doodle.com/cb4if7ayg68gun6v

 Regards,
 Cassidy James

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 On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 12:27 PM, Voldyman voldyman...@gmail.com wrote:

 Very good idea. I was talking to munchor about this.


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 Sounds like a great idea! :)
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 I'm thinking that we could do a weekly/fortnightly Google+ Hangout on
 Air (like a live video podcast) about elementary.

 We could first start off with any news or interesting items, then talk
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