Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Google+

[Daniel Foré]

Nikos,


Because google+ allows private posts. So if you're the intended recipient 
you'll be included there. Just like if someone sent you a specific email 
instead of the list.




And re-read the last paragraph ;p
Cheers,

Daniel Foré
elementaryos.org

On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 7:28 PM, Nikos Vasilakis 
wrote:

> On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 9:26 PM, Daniel Foré  wrote:
>> Hey everyone,
>>
>> As you've probably noticed, many of us are spending more and more time
>> interacting on G+ and Launchpad only and less time on IRC, the ML, etc. This
>> is because IRC and the ML suck and it's 2014 where we want to share things
>> in a way that isn't totally lame. Plus our workflow on launchpad is pretty
>> locked in so it's easier to get all the right people involved on a MR,
>> through a bug report, a blueprint, etc.
>>
>> That isn't to say that we're not using IRC or the ML anymore, but if you're
>> wondering why they are much quieter, now you know. So if you're not
>> following the elementary community on G+, you should definitely do that. And
>> if you have email notifications turned off for launchpad, you should create
>> some mail filters instead.
>>
>> Personally, I'm much more inclined to share things that are more-or-less
>> private on G+ than to post here just because I know we have a lot of
>> non-devs that listen in here (especially press. Sorry dudes).
> How are you going to monitor who follows on google+ so that you can
> share private things?
> Also, I would expect more non-technical (e.g., press etc.) people on
> G+ than in the dev-community mailing list. Am I wrong?
>> But on the
>> other end of the spectrum, it makes non-private stuff much more available to
>> non-devs and I think should be more effective in terms of attracting new
>> people.
>>
>> So, as that stupid image that went around on facebook however long ago said,
>> "We've moved to Google+".
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> Daniel Foré
>>
>> elementaryos.org
>>
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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Google+

[Nikos Vasilakis]

On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 9:26 PM, Daniel Foré  wrote:
> Hey everyone,
>
> As you've probably noticed, many of us are spending more and more time
> interacting on G+ and Launchpad only and less time on IRC, the ML, etc. This
> is because IRC and the ML suck and it's 2014 where we want to share things
> in a way that isn't totally lame. Plus our workflow on launchpad is pretty
> locked in so it's easier to get all the right people involved on a MR,
> through a bug report, a blueprint, etc.
>
> That isn't to say that we're not using IRC or the ML anymore, but if you're
> wondering why they are much quieter, now you know. So if you're not
> following the elementary community on G+, you should definitely do that. And
> if you have email notifications turned off for launchpad, you should create
> some mail filters instead.
>
> Personally, I'm much more inclined to share things that are more-or-less
> private on G+ than to post here just because I know we have a lot of
> non-devs that listen in here (especially press. Sorry dudes).

How are you going to monitor who follows on google+ so that you can
share private things?

Also, I would expect more non-technical (e.g., press etc.) people on
G+ than in the dev-community mailing list. Am I wrong?

> But on the
> other end of the spectrum, it makes non-private stuff much more available to
> non-devs and I think should be more effective in terms of attracting new
> people.
>
> So, as that stupid image that went around on facebook however long ago said,
> "We've moved to Google+".
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Daniel Foré
>
> elementaryos.org
>
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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Google+

[Alfredo Hernández]

Sounds like a logical move for me.

Cheers,
Alfredo
On 16 Mar 2014 02:26, "Daniel Foré"  wrote:

> Hey everyone,
>
> As you've probably noticed, many of us are spending more and more time
> interacting on G+ and Launchpad only and less time on IRC, the ML, etc.
> This is because IRC and the ML suck and it's 2014 where we want to share
> things in a way that isn't totally lame. Plus our workflow on launchpad is
> pretty locked in so it's easier to get all the right people involved on a
> MR, through a bug report, a blueprint, etc.
>
> That isn't to say that we're not using IRC or the ML anymore, but if
> you're wondering why they are much quieter, now you know. So if you're not
> following the elementary community on G+, you should definitely do that.
> And if you have email notifications turned off for launchpad, you should
> create some mail filters instead.
>
> Personally, I'm much more inclined to share things that are more-or-less
> private on G+ than to post here just because I know we have a lot of
> non-devs that listen in here (especially press. Sorry dudes). But on the
> other end of the spectrum, it makes non-private stuff much more available
> to non-devs and I think should be more effective in terms of attracting new
> people.
>
> So, as that stupid image that went around on facebook however long ago
> said, "We've moved to Google+".
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Daniel Foré
>
> elementaryos.org
>
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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Google Summer of Code Ideas

[Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff]

2014-02-20 17:18 GMT+04:00 Pepijn de Vos :

It would be a huge help to have bugs labeled as easy and/or having a mentor
> available. See Mozilla for an example:
> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Introduction
>

Actually, we at least used to have something similar - the easy bugs and
the ones good for starters were labeled "bitesize". It seems we still have
42 such bugs open, see
https://bugs.launchpad.net/elementary/+bugs?field.tag=bitesize

If this is not documented in the "get involved" page, that should be fixed
as well. Also IMHO we should link to "get involved" from the developer
guide and note that working on existing apps is preferable over making yet
more of them.

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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Google Summer of Code Ideas

[Pepijn de Vos]

I'll repeat this as I'm also guilty of not reply-all'ing (reply-to 
header anyone?)


It would be a huge help to have bugs labeled as easy and/or having a 
mentor available. See Mozilla for an example: 
https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Introduction


I looked at the issue tracker for something I could help with, but 
there is just so much.


Maybe I'll start fixing this minor annoyance I found 
https://bugs.launchpad.net/gala/+bug/1278131


Pepijn

On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 7:26 PM, Nikos Vasilakis  
wrote:

This is a good point, and it is a universal challenge (in both open
source and proprietary projects). It needs effort.

But there must be correlation between successful projects and
well-documented ones: If actively try to lower the barrier one needs
to overcome to start working with elementary (both on the core
projects and at the application layer, but we are mostly talking about
the first) we will get more people contributing, and contributions of
better (or "aligned") quality.

Nikos

On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 12:25 PM, Daniel Foré 
 wrote:
 The bigger problem than docs being boring is that the chance you're 
a
 writer, understand what you're writing, and also understand how to 
teach is

 extremely low.

 The google doc we started that one time was a complete piece of 
crap.
 Technical writing isn't just boring, it's incredibly difficult to 
do right

 Cheers,

 Daniel Foré
 elementaryos.org


 On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 10:16 AM, Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff
  wrote:


 We're missing a ton of other docs in the website too, but you know 
how it
 goes - writing docs is boring and everybody has better things 
to do.






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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Google Summer of Code Ideas

[Nikos Vasilakis]

This is a good point, and it is a universal challenge (in both open
source and proprietary projects). It needs effort.

But there must be correlation between successful projects and
well-documented ones: If actively try to lower the barrier one needs
to overcome to start working with elementary (both on the core
projects and at the application layer, but we are mostly talking about
the first) we will get more people contributing, and contributions of
better (or "aligned") quality.

Nikos

On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 12:25 PM, Daniel Foré  wrote:
> The bigger problem than docs being boring is that the chance you're a
> writer, understand what you're writing, and also understand how to teach is
> extremely low.
>
> The google doc we started that one time was a complete piece of crap.
> Technical writing isn't just boring, it's incredibly difficult to do right
> Cheers,
>
> Daniel Foré
> elementaryos.org
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 10:16 AM, Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff
>  wrote:
>>
>> We're missing a ton of other docs in the website too, but you know how it
>> goes - writing docs is boring and everybody has better things to do.
>
>

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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Google Summer of Code Ideas

[Daniel Foré]

The bigger problem than docs being boring is that the chance you're a writer, 
understand what you're writing, and also understand how to teach is extremely 
low.


The google doc we started that one time was a complete piece of crap. Technical 
writing isn't just boring, it's incredibly difficult to do right
Cheers,

Daniel Foré
elementaryos.org

On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 10:16 AM, Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff
 wrote:

> We're missing a ton of other docs in the website too, but you know how it
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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Google Summer of Code Ideas

[Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff]

2014-02-19 18:32 GMT+04:00 Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff <
ser...@elementaryos.org>:

> Finally, we have Contractor; we used to have .contract file format
> documentation in the old website but it's now gone.
> The Granite wrapper API is *sort of* documented in the Granite valadoc,
> but the version in the website is pre-0.2.2 and doesn't include some useful
> 0.2.2+ symbols.
>

Actually they're probably not 0.2.2+, they're 0.2.3+, I have no idea why
though.

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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Google Summer of Code Ideas

[Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff]

We're missing a ton of other docs in the website too, but you know how it
goes - writing docs is boring and everybody has better things to do.
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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Google Summer of Code Ideas

[Nikos Vasilakis]

I believe you wanted to reply to all (which I do).

I agree. In general, I believe that our contribution guidelines are
broken. For coders in particular, heading to the developer section of
the website has a light introduction to vala, but says nothing on how
to actually contribute to elementary (i.e., what is current
target/milestone, how to pick goals to tackle, how to assign
blueprint/bug to you or notify developers that you started working on
something etc.).

So a question is, do we have such a text somewhere internally (which
we need only to polish and get online) or do we have to write it from
scratch?

Nikos

On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 12:47 PM, Pepijn de Vos  wrote:
> At Mozilla they have a system where bugs are tagged as easy and/or having a
> mentor available. This is maybe another way of attracting contributors.
>
> I'd be happy to fix some low hanging fruit knowing there is someone to
> assist me if I get stuck.
>
> Pepijn
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 12:08 AM, Nikos Vasilakis 
> wrote:
>
> Thanks, David. On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 11:19 AM, David Gomes
>  wrote:
>
> We decided not to apply given that we need to give higher focus to
> stabilizing our current projects and not just writing a bunch of new ones.
> On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 4:12 PM, Nikos Vasilakis 
> wrote:
>
> Did we apply, eventually? On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 1:24 PM, Daniel Foré
>  wrote: > To be clear, what I'm saying is maybe we
> shouldn't be trying to make up > stuff to do just to participate in Gsoc
> when we already have quite a lot > to > do even though it doesn't fit into
> Gsoc > Cheers, > > Daniel Foré > elementaryos.org > > > On Fri, Feb 14, 2014
> at 10:05 AM, Daniel Foré  > wrote: >> >> This
> thread is starting to look and sound like just a massive >> distraction. >>
> We already have quite a lot of very important things to do. I think one >>
> of >> the most important of which is get AppCenter to a shippable state. >>
>>> New things are cool and fun and exciting, but if we really have the >>
> extra >> time and resources I think we should be focusing on making sure
> what we >> already have is the best it can be. >> >> * There is still no
> search in Files >> * We just picked up Photos which needs a lot of work to
> bring its UI >> into >> alignment with our other apps >> * judging by the
> popularity of indicator synapse, we should probably >> investigate using
> libsynapse to improve the results in Slingshot >> * We need to fix
> deprecation warnings involving granite and gtk >> * Pantheon Online Accounts
> needs to be integrated into our default apps >> * Indicators are holding us
> back from Pantheon running on other >> platforms >> and frankly their
> designs aren't the best they could be. >> * Audience could use its UI
> re-written in GTK (instead of raw Cairo) >> now >> that we have things like
> overlay and revealer and can use custom CSS >> >> I mean there are literally
> a couple thousand bug reports open right >> now. >> Cheers, >> >> Daniel
> Foré >> elementaryos.org >> >> >> On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 9:21 AM, Pepijn de
> Vos  >> wrote: >>> >>> This tread is just the best
> way of finding software I need :) >>> >>> Would be cool if they where more
> easily discoverable though. >>> This was a good start: >>> >>>
> http://www.elementaryupdate.com/2013/08/top-things-to-do-after-installing-luna.html
 >>> Elementary's new motto: There's a PPA for that! >>> >>> But...
> what's wrong with just using Dropbox or UbuntuOne? >>> >>> I am aware that
> Preview does SOME things, but I never looked closely. >>> >>> So much Mac
> stealing going on here :D >>> OS X is good, but not everything that's good
> is OS X. >>> >>> Pepijn >>> >>> On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 3:28 PM, Nikos
> Vasilakis >>>  >>> wrote: >>> >>> Also, we have
> something similar, I believe: >>> https://github.com/kjlaw89/draw On Fri,
> Feb 14, 2014 at 9:18 AM, >>> Tristan >>> Petersen  wrote:
 >>> Pepijn, Are you familiar with the annotations feature of Mac OS X
 Preview >>> app? It does essentially what you describe. I use it all the
> time to >>> quickly >>> annotate screenshots or pdfs. Regards, Tristan >>>
 On Feb 14, 2014, at 3:41, Pepijn de Vos  wrote:
 Another random idea, that is not a ripoff of OS X is... MS Paint! >>>
> Something >>> to annotate screenshots or draw a quick schematic. For real
> photo >>> editing >>> there is gimp, but something light to quickly draw and
> annotate is >>> missing >>> even from OS X. >>> >>> -- Mailing list:
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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Google Summer of Code Ideas

[Nikos Vasilakis]

On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 1:01 PM, Nikos Vasilakis  wrote:
> I believe you wanted to reply to all (which I do).
>
> I agree. In general, I believe that our contribution guidelines are
> broken. For coders in particular, heading to the developer section of
> the website has a light introduction to vala, but says nothing on how
> to actually contribute to elementary (i.e., what is current
> target/milestone, how to pick goals to tackle, how to assign
> blueprint/bug to you or notify developers that you started working on
> something etc.).
>
> So a question is, do we have such a text somewhere internally (which
> we need only to polish and get online) or do we have to write it from
> scratch?

Well, to answer my own question, I believe the page I was looking for
was get ./get-involved, which has many of the things I was talking
about. But it still lacks guidelines. How would you go about
contributing? Should you first engage in the blueprint discussion? Or
when the blueprint is settled you can assign it to you? Or do you need
to create a bug with the same name as the blueprint and start working
on that? (I believe it is the last one) How do you pick lower hanging
fruits?

If you spend some time on the project, you soon have answers to most
of these. But shouldn't we make these readily available to potential
contributors?
>
> Nikos
>
> On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 12:47 PM, Pepijn de Vos  wrote:
>> At Mozilla they have a system where bugs are tagged as easy and/or having a
>> mentor available. This is maybe another way of attracting contributors.
>>
>> I'd be happy to fix some low hanging fruit knowing there is someone to
>> assist me if I get stuck.
>>
>> Pepijn
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 12:08 AM, Nikos Vasilakis 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks, David. On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 11:19 AM, David Gomes
>>  wrote:
>>
>> We decided not to apply given that we need to give higher focus to
>> stabilizing our current projects and not just writing a bunch of new ones.
>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 4:12 PM, Nikos Vasilakis 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Did we apply, eventually? On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 1:24 PM, Daniel Foré
>>  wrote: > To be clear, what I'm saying is maybe we
>> shouldn't be trying to make up > stuff to do just to participate in Gsoc
>> when we already have quite a lot > to > do even though it doesn't fit into
>> Gsoc > Cheers, > > Daniel Foré > elementaryos.org > > > On Fri, Feb 14, 2014
>> at 10:05 AM, Daniel Foré  > wrote: >> >> This
>> thread is starting to look and sound like just a massive >> distraction. >>
>> We already have quite a lot of very important things to do. I think one >>
>> of >> the most important of which is get AppCenter to a shippable state. >>
 New things are cool and fun and exciting, but if we really have the >>
>> extra >> time and resources I think we should be focusing on making sure
>> what we >> already have is the best it can be. >> >> * There is still no
>> search in Files >> * We just picked up Photos which needs a lot of work to
>> bring its UI >> into >> alignment with our other apps >> * judging by the
>> popularity of indicator synapse, we should probably >> investigate using
>> libsynapse to improve the results in Slingshot >> * We need to fix
>> deprecation warnings involving granite and gtk >> * Pantheon Online Accounts
>> needs to be integrated into our default apps >> * Indicators are holding us
>> back from Pantheon running on other >> platforms >> and frankly their
>> designs aren't the best they could be. >> * Audience could use its UI
>> re-written in GTK (instead of raw Cairo) >> now >> that we have things like
>> overlay and revealer and can use custom CSS >> >> I mean there are literally
>> a couple thousand bug reports open right >> now. >> Cheers, >> >> Daniel
>> Foré >> elementaryos.org >> >> >> On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 9:21 AM, Pepijn de
>> Vos  >> wrote: >>> >>> This tread is just the best
>> way of finding software I need :) >>> >>> Would be cool if they where more
>> easily discoverable though. >>> This was a good start: >>> >>>
>> http://www.elementaryupdate.com/2013/08/top-things-to-do-after-installing-luna.html
> >>> Elementary's new motto: There's a PPA for that! >>> >>> But...
>> what's wrong with just using Dropbox or UbuntuOne? >>> >>> I am aware that
>> Preview does SOME things, but I never looked closely. >>> >>> So much Mac
>> stealing going on here :D >>> OS X is good, but not everything that's good
>> is OS X. >>> >>> Pepijn >>> >>> On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 3:28 PM, Nikos
>> Vasilakis >>>  >>> wrote: >>> >>> Also, we have
>> something similar, I believe: >>> https://github.com/kjlaw89/draw On Fri,
>> Feb 14, 2014 at 9:18 AM, >>> Tristan >>> Petersen  wrote:
> >>> Pepijn, Are you familiar with the annotations feature of Mac OS X
> Preview >>> app? It does essentially what you describe. I use it all the
>> time to >>> quickly >>> annotate screenshots or pdfs. Regards, Tristan >>>
> On Feb 14, 2014, at 3:41, Pepijn de Vos  wrote:
> Another r

Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Google Summer of Code Ideas

[Nikos Vasilakis]

Thanks, David.

On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 11:19 AM, David Gomes  wrote:
> We decided not to apply given that we need to give higher focus to
> stabilizing our current projects and not just writing a bunch of new ones.
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 4:12 PM, Nikos Vasilakis 
> wrote:
>>
>> Did we apply, eventually?
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 1:24 PM, Daniel Foré 
>> wrote:
>> > To be clear, what I'm saying is maybe we shouldn't be trying to make up
>> > stuff to do just to participate in Gsoc when we already have quite a lot
>> > to
>> > do even though it doesn't fit into Gsoc
>> > Cheers,
>> >
>> > Daniel Foré
>> > elementaryos.org
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 10:05 AM, Daniel Foré 
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> This thread is starting to look and sound like just a massive
>> >> distraction.
>> >> We already have quite a lot of very important things to do. I think one
>> >> of
>> >> the most important of which is get AppCenter to a shippable state.
>> >>
>> >> New things are cool and fun and exciting, but if we really have the
>> >> extra
>> >> time and resources I think we should be focusing on making sure what we
>> >> already have is the best it can be.
>> >>
>> >> * There is still no search in Files
>> >> * We just picked up Photos which needs a lot of work to bring its UI
>> >> into
>> >> alignment with our other apps
>> >> * judging by the popularity of indicator synapse, we should probably
>> >> investigate using libsynapse to improve the results in Slingshot
>> >> * We need to fix deprecation warnings involving granite and gtk
>> >> * Pantheon Online Accounts needs to be integrated into our default apps
>> >> * Indicators are holding us back from Pantheon running on other
>> >> platforms
>> >> and frankly their designs aren't the best they could be.
>> >> * Audience could use its UI re-written in GTK (instead of raw Cairo)
>> >> now
>> >> that we have things like overlay and revealer and can use custom CSS
>> >>
>> >> I mean there are literally a couple thousand bug reports open right
>> >> now.
>> >> Cheers,
>> >>
>> >> Daniel Foré
>> >> elementaryos.org
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 9:21 AM, Pepijn de Vos 
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> This tread is just the best way of finding software I need :)
>> >>>
>> >>> Would be cool if they where more easily discoverable though.
>> >>> This was a good start:
>> >>>
>> >>> http://www.elementaryupdate.com/2013/08/top-things-to-do-after-installing-luna.html
>> >>>
>> >>> Elementary's new motto: There's a PPA for that!
>> >>>
>> >>> But... what's wrong with just using Dropbox or UbuntuOne?
>> >>>
>> >>> I am aware that Preview does SOME things, but I never looked closely.
>> >>>
>> >>> So much Mac stealing going on here :D
>> >>> OS X is good, but not everything that's good is OS X.
>> >>>
>> >>> Pepijn
>> >>>
>> >>> On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 3:28 PM, Nikos Vasilakis
>> >>> 
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Also, we have something similar, I believe:
>> >>> https://github.com/kjlaw89/draw On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 9:18 AM,
>> >>> Tristan
>> >>> Petersen  wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Pepijn, Are you familiar with the annotations feature of Mac OS X
>> >>> Preview
>> >>> app? It does essentially what you describe. I use it all the time to
>> >>> quickly
>> >>> annotate screenshots or pdfs. Regards, Tristan
>> >>>
>> >>> On Feb 14, 2014, at 3:41, Pepijn de Vos  wrote:
>> >>> Another random idea, that is not a ripoff of OS X is... MS Paint!
>> >>> Something
>> >>> to annotate screenshots or draw a quick schematic. For real photo
>> >>> editing
>> >>> there is gimp, but something light to quickly draw and annotate is
>> >>> missing
>> >>> even from OS X.
>> >>>
>> >>> -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post
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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Google Summer of Code Ideas

[David Gomes]

We decided *not* to apply given that we need to give higher focus to
stabilizing our current projects and not just writing a bunch of new ones.


On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 4:12 PM, Nikos Vasilakis wrote:

> Did we apply, eventually?
>
> On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 1:24 PM, Daniel Foré 
> wrote:
> > To be clear, what I'm saying is maybe we shouldn't be trying to make up
> > stuff to do just to participate in Gsoc when we already have quite a lot
> to
> > do even though it doesn't fit into Gsoc
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Daniel Foré
> > elementaryos.org
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 10:05 AM, Daniel Foré 
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> This thread is starting to look and sound like just a massive
> distraction.
> >> We already have quite a lot of very important things to do. I think one
> of
> >> the most important of which is get AppCenter to a shippable state.
> >>
> >> New things are cool and fun and exciting, but if we really have the
> extra
> >> time and resources I think we should be focusing on making sure what we
> >> already have is the best it can be.
> >>
> >> * There is still no search in Files
> >> * We just picked up Photos which needs a lot of work to bring its UI
> into
> >> alignment with our other apps
> >> * judging by the popularity of indicator synapse, we should probably
> >> investigate using libsynapse to improve the results in Slingshot
> >> * We need to fix deprecation warnings involving granite and gtk
> >> * Pantheon Online Accounts needs to be integrated into our default apps
> >> * Indicators are holding us back from Pantheon running on other
> platforms
> >> and frankly their designs aren't the best they could be.
> >> * Audience could use its UI re-written in GTK (instead of raw Cairo) now
> >> that we have things like overlay and revealer and can use custom CSS
> >>
> >> I mean there are literally a couple thousand bug reports open right now.
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >> Daniel Foré
> >> elementaryos.org
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 9:21 AM, Pepijn de Vos 
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> This tread is just the best way of finding software I need :)
> >>>
> >>> Would be cool if they where more easily discoverable though.
> >>> This was a good start:
> >>>
> http://www.elementaryupdate.com/2013/08/top-things-to-do-after-installing-luna.html
> >>>
> >>> Elementary's new motto: There's a PPA for that!
> >>>
> >>> But... what's wrong with just using Dropbox or UbuntuOne?
> >>>
> >>> I am aware that Preview does SOME things, but I never looked closely.
> >>>
> >>> So much Mac stealing going on here :D
> >>> OS X is good, but not everything that's good is OS X.
> >>>
> >>> Pepijn
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 3:28 PM, Nikos Vasilakis  >
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Also, we have something similar, I believe:
> >>> https://github.com/kjlaw89/draw On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 9:18 AM,
> Tristan
> >>> Petersen  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Pepijn, Are you familiar with the annotations feature of Mac OS X
> Preview
> >>> app? It does essentially what you describe. I use it all the time to
> quickly
> >>> annotate screenshots or pdfs. Regards, Tristan
> >>>
> >>> On Feb 14, 2014, at 3:41, Pepijn de Vos  wrote:
> >>> Another random idea, that is not a ripoff of OS X is... MS Paint!
> Something
> >>> to annotate screenshots or draw a quick schematic. For real photo
> editing
> >>> there is gimp, but something light to quickly draw and annotate is
> missing
> >>> even from OS X.
> >>>
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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Google Summer of Code Ideas

[Nikos Vasilakis]

Did we apply, eventually?

On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 1:24 PM, Daniel Foré  wrote:
> To be clear, what I'm saying is maybe we shouldn't be trying to make up
> stuff to do just to participate in Gsoc when we already have quite a lot to
> do even though it doesn't fit into Gsoc
> Cheers,
>
> Daniel Foré
> elementaryos.org
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 10:05 AM, Daniel Foré 
> wrote:
>>
>> This thread is starting to look and sound like just a massive distraction.
>> We already have quite a lot of very important things to do. I think one of
>> the most important of which is get AppCenter to a shippable state.
>>
>> New things are cool and fun and exciting, but if we really have the extra
>> time and resources I think we should be focusing on making sure what we
>> already have is the best it can be.
>>
>> * There is still no search in Files
>> * We just picked up Photos which needs a lot of work to bring its UI into
>> alignment with our other apps
>> * judging by the popularity of indicator synapse, we should probably
>> investigate using libsynapse to improve the results in Slingshot
>> * We need to fix deprecation warnings involving granite and gtk
>> * Pantheon Online Accounts needs to be integrated into our default apps
>> * Indicators are holding us back from Pantheon running on other platforms
>> and frankly their designs aren't the best they could be.
>> * Audience could use its UI re-written in GTK (instead of raw Cairo) now
>> that we have things like overlay and revealer and can use custom CSS
>>
>> I mean there are literally a couple thousand bug reports open right now.
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Daniel Foré
>> elementaryos.org
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 9:21 AM, Pepijn de Vos 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> This tread is just the best way of finding software I need :)
>>>
>>> Would be cool if they where more easily discoverable though.
>>> This was a good start:
>>> http://www.elementaryupdate.com/2013/08/top-things-to-do-after-installing-luna.html
>>>
>>> Elementary's new motto: There's a PPA for that!
>>>
>>> But... what's wrong with just using Dropbox or UbuntuOne?
>>>
>>> I am aware that Preview does SOME things, but I never looked closely.
>>>
>>> So much Mac stealing going on here :D
>>> OS X is good, but not everything that's good is OS X.
>>>
>>> Pepijn
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 3:28 PM, Nikos Vasilakis 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Also, we have something similar, I believe:
>>> https://github.com/kjlaw89/draw On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 9:18 AM, Tristan
>>> Petersen  wrote:
>>>
>>> Pepijn, Are you familiar with the annotations feature of Mac OS X Preview
>>> app? It does essentially what you describe. I use it all the time to quickly
>>> annotate screenshots or pdfs. Regards, Tristan
>>>
>>> On Feb 14, 2014, at 3:41, Pepijn de Vos  wrote:
>>> Another random idea, that is not a ripoff of OS X is... MS Paint! Something
>>> to annotate screenshots or draw a quick schematic. For real photo editing
>>> there is gimp, but something light to quickly draw and annotate is missing
>>> even from OS X.
>>>
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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Google Summer of Code Ideas

[Daniel Foré]

To be clear, what I'm saying is maybe we shouldn't be trying to make up stuff 
to do just to participate in Gsoc when we already have quite a lot to do even 
though it doesn't fit into Gsoc Cheers,

Daniel Foré
elementaryos.org

On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 10:05 AM, Daniel Foré 
wrote:

> This thread is starting to look and sound like just a massive distraction. We 
> already have quite a lot of very important things to do. I think one of the 
> most important of which is get AppCenter to a shippable state.
> New things are cool and fun and exciting, but if we really have the extra 
> time and resources I think we should be focusing on making sure what we 
> already have is the best it can be.
> * There is still no search in Files
> * We just picked up Photos which needs a lot of work to bring its UI into 
> alignment with our other apps
> * judging by the popularity of indicator synapse, we should probably 
> investigate using libsynapse to improve the results in Slingshot
> * We need to fix deprecation warnings involving granite and gtk
> * Pantheon Online Accounts needs to be integrated into our default apps
> * Indicators are holding us back from Pantheon running on other platforms and 
> frankly their designs aren't the best they could be.
> * Audience could use its UI re-written in GTK (instead of raw Cairo) now that 
> we have things like overlay and revealer and can use custom CSS
> I mean there are literally a couple thousand bug reports open right now.
> Cheers,
> Daniel Foré
> elementaryos.org
> On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 9:21 AM, Pepijn de Vos 
> wrote:
>> This tread is just the best way of finding software I need :)
>> Would be cool if they where more easily discoverable though.
>> This was a good start: 
>> http://www.elementaryupdate.com/2013/08/top-things-to-do-after-installing-luna.html
>> Elementary's new motto: There's a PPA for that!
>> But... what's wrong with just using Dropbox or UbuntuOne?
>> I am aware that Preview does SOME things, but I never looked closely.
>> So much Mac stealing going on here :D
>> OS X is good, but not everything that's good is OS X.
>> Pepijn
>> On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 3:28 PM, Nikos Vasilakis  
>> wrote:
>>> Also, we have something similar, I believe: 
>>> https://github.com/kjlaw89/draw
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 9:18 AM, Tristan Petersen  
>>> wrote:
  Pepijn,
 
  Are you familiar with the annotations feature of Mac OS X Preview 
 app? It does essentially what you describe. I use it all the time to 
 quickly annotate screenshots or pdfs.
 
  Regards,
  Tristan
 
 
>  On Feb 14, 2014, at 3:41, Pepijn de Vos  
> wrote:
> 
>  Another random idea, that is not a ripoff of OS X is... MS Paint!
>  Something to annotate screenshots or draw a quick schematic.
>  For real photo editing there is gimp, but something light to 
> quickly draw and annotate is missing even from OS X.
> 
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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Google Summer of Code Ideas

[Daniel Foré]

This thread is starting to look and sound like just a massive distraction. We 
already have quite a lot of very important things to do. I think one of the 
most important of which is get AppCenter to a shippable state.


New things are cool and fun and exciting, but if we really have the extra time 
and resources I think we should be focusing on making sure what we already have 
is the best it can be.




* There is still no search in Files

* We just picked up Photos which needs a lot of work to bring its UI into 
alignment with our other apps

* judging by the popularity of indicator synapse, we should probably 
investigate using libsynapse to improve the results in Slingshot

* We need to fix deprecation warnings involving granite and gtk

* Pantheon Online Accounts needs to be integrated into our default apps

* Indicators are holding us back from Pantheon running on other platforms and 
frankly their designs aren't the best they could be.

* Audience could use its UI re-written in GTK (instead of raw Cairo) now that 
we have things like overlay and revealer and can use custom CSS




I mean there are literally a couple thousand bug reports open right now.
Cheers,

Daniel Foré
elementaryos.org

On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 9:21 AM, Pepijn de Vos 
wrote:

> This tread is just the best way of finding software I need :)
> Would be cool if they where more easily discoverable though.
> This was a good start: 
> http://www.elementaryupdate.com/2013/08/top-things-to-do-after-installing-luna.html
> Elementary's new motto: There's a PPA for that!
> But... what's wrong with just using Dropbox or UbuntuOne?
> I am aware that Preview does SOME things, but I never looked closely.
> So much Mac stealing going on here :D
> OS X is good, but not everything that's good is OS X.
> Pepijn
> On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 3:28 PM, Nikos Vasilakis  
> wrote:
>> Also, we have something similar, I believe: 
>> https://github.com/kjlaw89/draw
>> 
>> On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 9:18 AM, Tristan Petersen  
>> wrote:
>>>  Pepijn,
>>> 
>>>  Are you familiar with the annotations feature of Mac OS X Preview 
>>> app? It does essentially what you describe. I use it all the time to 
>>> quickly annotate screenshots or pdfs.
>>> 
>>>  Regards,
>>>  Tristan
>>> 
>>> 
  On Feb 14, 2014, at 3:41, Pepijn de Vos  
 wrote:
 
  Another random idea, that is not a ripoff of OS X is... MS Paint!
  Something to annotate screenshots or draw a quick schematic.
  For real photo editing there is gimp, but something light to 
 quickly draw and annotate is missing even from OS X.
 
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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Google Summer of Code Ideas

[Pepijn de Vos]

This tread is just the best way of finding software I need :)
Would be cool if they where more easily discoverable though.
This was a good start: 
http://www.elementaryupdate.com/2013/08/top-things-to-do-after-installing-luna.html


Elementary's new motto: There's a PPA for that!

But... what's wrong with just using Dropbox or UbuntuOne?

I am aware that Preview does SOME things, but I never looked closely.

So much Mac stealing going on here :D
OS X is good, but not everything that's good is OS X.

Pepijn

On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 3:28 PM, Nikos Vasilakis  
wrote:
Also, we have something similar, I believe: 
https://github.com/kjlaw89/draw


On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 9:18 AM, Tristan Petersen  
wrote:

 Pepijn,

 Are you familiar with the annotations feature of Mac OS X Preview 
app? It does essentially what you describe. I use it all the time to 
quickly annotate screenshots or pdfs.


 Regards,
 Tristan


 On Feb 14, 2014, at 3:41, Pepijn de Vos  
wrote:


 Another random idea, that is not a ripoff of OS X is... MS Paint!
 Something to annotate screenshots or draw a quick schematic.
 For real photo editing there is gimp, but something light to 
quickly draw and annotate is missing even from OS X.



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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Google Summer of Code Ideas

[Nikos Vasilakis]

Also, we have something similar, I believe: https://github.com/kjlaw89/draw

On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 9:18 AM, Tristan Petersen  wrote:
> Pepijn,
>
> Are you familiar with the annotations feature of Mac OS X Preview app? It 
> does essentially what you describe. I use it all the time to quickly annotate 
> screenshots or pdfs.
>
> Regards,
> Tristan
>
>
>> On Feb 14, 2014, at 3:41, Pepijn de Vos  wrote:
>>
>> Another random idea, that is not a ripoff of OS X is... MS Paint!
>> Something to annotate screenshots or draw a quick schematic.
>> For real photo editing there is gimp, but something light to quickly draw 
>> and annotate is missing even from OS X.
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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Google Summer of Code Ideas

[Tristan Petersen]

Pepijn,

Are you familiar with the annotations feature of Mac OS X Preview app? It does 
essentially what you describe. I use it all the time to quickly annotate 
screenshots or pdfs.

Regards,
Tristan


> On Feb 14, 2014, at 3:41, Pepijn de Vos  wrote:
> 
> Another random idea, that is not a ripoff of OS X is... MS Paint!
> Something to annotate screenshots or draw a quick schematic.
> For real photo editing there is gimp, but something light to quickly draw and 
> annotate is missing even from OS X.

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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Google Summer of Code Ideas

[Akshay Shekher]

How about our alternative to UbuntuOne/Drop Box ?
On Feb 14, 2014 4:11 PM, "Pepijn de Vos"  wrote:

> What I think the OP suggested Contractor for, and what shell scripting
> does not provide is an API to GUI applications.
>
> In AppleScript you could move windows around, show pages in Safari, add
> events to iCal, play songs in iTunes.
> I implemented things like a tiling WM, a script to open links in whatever
> browser is currently running and more in AppleScript.
>
> It also lets you do things like download something with Safari, resize
> images with Preview, but on Linux this is better handled with ImageMagic,
> curl and other cli tools.
>
> Another random idea, that is not a ripoff of OS X is... MS Paint!
> Something to annotate screenshots or draw a quick schematic.
> For real photo editing there is gimp, but something light to quickly draw
> and annotate is missing even from OS X.
>
> I'm not so much after the fingerpainting part, for which a dozen paint
> clones exist.
> I'm thinking paint with a iLife mindset: make is easy for amateurs to make
> professional graphics.
> Check some of the OmniGroup software, and imagine a subset of OmniGraffle
> and OmniDazzle.
>
> Pepijn
>
> On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 2:42 PM, Sergey Shnatsel Davidoff <
> ser...@elementaryos.org> wrote:
>
> Well, there's a number of visual programming environments out there
> already and I can't see how this relates to elementary specifically. It's
> more of a project for the Raspberry Pi community.
>
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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Google Summer of Code Ideas

[Pepijn de Vos]

What I think the OP suggested Contractor for, and what shell scripting 
does not provide is an API to GUI applications.


In AppleScript you could move windows around, show pages in Safari, add 
events to iCal, play songs in iTunes.
I implemented things like a tiling WM, a script to open links in 
whatever browser is currently running and more in AppleScript.


It also lets you do things like download something with Safari, resize 
images with Preview, but on Linux this is better handled with 
ImageMagic, curl and other cli tools.


Another random idea, that is not a ripoff of OS X is... MS Paint!
Something to annotate screenshots or draw a quick schematic.
For real photo editing there is gimp, but something light to quickly 
draw and annotate is missing even from OS X.


I'm not so much after the fingerpainting part, for which a dozen paint 
clones exist.
I'm thinking paint with a iLife mindset: make is easy for amateurs to 
make professional graphics.
Check some of the OmniGroup software, and imagine a subset of 
OmniGraffle and OmniDazzle.


Pepijn

On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 2:42 PM, Sergey Shnatsel Davidoff 
 wrote:
Well, there's a number of visual programming environments out there 
already and I can't see how this relates to elementary specifically. 
It's more of a project for the Raspberry Pi community.


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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Google Summer of Code Ideas

[Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff]

Well, there's a number of visual programming environments out there already
and I can't see how this relates to elementary specifically. It's more of a
project for the Raspberry Pi community.

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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Google Summer of Code Ideas

[Marco Benzi]

I was thinking about a visual programming experience for the end user who might 
be unfamiliar with bash. Also, depending on implementation, the app could reach 
beyond the scope of elementary, becoming useful for other distros.  Just my two 
cents.

Cheers,
Marco

El 13-02-2014, a las 9:53, Sergey Shnatsel Davidoff  
escribió:

> I've looked up Automator in Wikipedia and I can't see how that's related to 
> Contractor. Contractor is designed to be operated by the user, its actions 
> are not designed to be automatable. 
> 
> Actually, automating such actions is an unrelated problem, but IMHO shell 
> scripting suits that use case just fine already.
> 
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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Google Summer of Code Ideas

[Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff]

I've looked up Automator in Wikipedia and I can't see how that's related to
Contractor. Contractor is designed to be operated by the user, its actions
are not designed to be automatable.

Actually, automating such actions is an unrelated problem, but IMHO shell
scripting suits that use case just fine already.

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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Google Summer of Code Ideas

[Marco Benzi]

I was wondering, since Contractor is taking shape, how possible is it to do an 
app like Automator?

Marco

El 13-02-2014, a las 7:45, Aniket Deole  escribió:

> We already have Cable 
> (http://elementaryluna.blogspot.in/2012/08/cable-new-irc-chat-client.html)
> But that is not an "official" elementary app.
> 
> -
> Aniket
> 
> 
> On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 4:04 PM, Pepijn de Vos  wrote:
> A proper IRC client.
> 
> I know Empathy does IRC, but it is unsuitable for real use.
> Try opening a few dozen channels in its tabbed interface.
> Try idling in a busy channel.
> 
> All the real IRC clients either *are* a terminal app,  or look like terminal 
> app in a GTK window. Compare some screens from Textual to XChat.
> 
> A client with proper spacing, alignment, typesetting, focus...
> In short; a design-driven IRC client.
> 
> I think this should be doable in 3 months.
> 
> Pepijn
> 
> On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 6:55 PM, Sergey Shnatsel Davidoff 
>  wrote:
>> FYI we already have a time machine application, Cronopete. The interesting 
>> work items for it are 
>> 1) btrfs snapshots or even old copy-on-write versions of files outside of 
>> snapshots as storage medium, instead of a dedicated partition and 
>> 2) Integration into applications, much like for Contractor clients
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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Google Summer of Code Ideas

[Aniket Deole]

We already have Cable (
http://elementaryluna.blogspot.in/2012/08/cable-new-irc-chat-client.html)
But that is not an "official" elementary app.

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On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 4:04 PM, Pepijn de Vos wrote:

> A proper IRC client.
>
> I know Empathy does IRC, but it is unsuitable for real use.
> Try opening a few dozen channels in its tabbed interface.
> Try idling in a busy channel.
>
> All the real IRC clients either *are* a terminal app,  or look like
> terminal app in a GTK window. Compare some screens from Textual to XChat.
>
> A client with proper spacing, alignment, typesetting, focus...
> In short; a design-driven IRC client.
>
> I think this should be doable in 3 months.
>
> Pepijn
>
> On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 6:55 PM, Sergey Shnatsel Davidoff <
> ser...@elementaryos.org> wrote:
>
> FYI we already have a time machine application, Cronopete. The interesting
> work items for it are
> 1) btrfs snapshots or even old copy-on-write versions of files outside of
> snapshots as storage medium, instead of a dedicated partition and
> 2) Integration into applications, much like for Contractor clients
>
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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Google Summer of Code Ideas

[Pepijn de Vos]

A proper IRC client.

I know Empathy does IRC, but it is unsuitable for real use.
Try opening a few dozen channels in its tabbed interface.
Try idling in a busy channel.

All the real IRC clients either *are* a terminal app,  or look like 
terminal app in a GTK window. Compare some screens from Textual to 
XChat.


A client with proper spacing, alignment, typesetting, focus...
In short; a design-driven IRC client.

I think this should be doable in 3 months.

Pepijn

On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 6:55 PM, Sergey Shnatsel Davidoff 
 wrote:
FYI we already have a time machine application, Cronopete. The 
interesting work items for it are 
1) btrfs snapshots or even old copy-on-write versions of files 
outside of snapshots as storage medium, instead of a dedicated 
partition and 
2) Integration into applications, much like for Contractor clients


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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Google Summer of Code Ideas

[Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff]

FYI we already have a time machine application, Cronopete. The interesting
work items for it are
1) btrfs snapshots or even old copy-on-write versions of files outside of
snapshots as storage medium, instead of a dedicated partition and
2) Integration into applications, much like for Contractor clients
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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Google Summer of Code Ideas

[Nikos Vasilakis]

Great application everyone,

I made a number of textual refinements to the GSOC text, hopefully
beneficial! Someone with edit capability could pull them in the text
(if the GSOC-related people agree).

I haven't gone through the ideas yet. I will try to do it tonight and
work on a "snapshots/time-machine" section as well (and RFC!).

Good luck!
Nikos

On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 5:16 PM, Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff
 wrote:
> OK, I have an idea that's been collecting the metaphorical dust for many a
> month.
>
> In a nutshell, the current "Open or Save?" dialogs in web browsers that they
> show when encountering a non-web file are terrible; how can I choose if I
> want to keep the file before I even see it? And why the hell can't I keep
> the file without re-downloading it?
>
> The proper UX would be to open all files that are not web pages in a
> dedicated viewer, and the dedicated viewer should then allow to save the
> file for later after you see the contents and possibly edit it.
> This should apply even if the browser sort of supports this file type, e.g.
> for images - web browsers make for terrible image viewers!
>
> AFAIR the basic idea got the green light from Dan, I believe he will reply
> to this thread if he has anything to add :)
> I think had a slightly more complete writeup here:
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1kfI-JB80egEmix0HIJkDkDtMHGF_xeQMqQANqIxxnlo/edit
>
> This sounds like a trivial feature, but it would make worlds of difference
> and it is not trivial to implement because you need a FreeDesktop.org-vetted
> protocol for signalling "show the save button" from browser to apps, you
> need support for this workflow in both web browser and apps, you need to
> handle legacy apps and be able to tell which are which, you need the "keep
> this file" action to be extensible and system-defined so that we could do
> things like keeping all viewed files for a week without altering the apps,
> and a metric ton of other details.
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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Google Summer of Code Ideas

[Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff]

OK, I have an idea that's been collecting the metaphorical dust for many a
month.

In a nutshell, the current "Open or Save?" dialogs in web browsers that
they show when encountering a non-web file are terrible; how can I choose
if I want to keep the file before I even see it? And why the hell can't I
keep the file without re-downloading it?

The proper UX would be to open all files that are not web pages in a
dedicated viewer, and the dedicated viewer should then allow to save the
file for later after you see the contents and possibly edit it.
This should apply even if the browser sort of supports this file type, e.g.
for images - web browsers make for terrible image viewers!

AFAIR the basic idea got the green light from Dan, I believe he will reply
to this thread if he has anything to add :)
I think had a slightly more complete writeup here:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1kfI-JB80egEmix0HIJkDkDtMHGF_xeQMqQANqIxxnlo/edit

This sounds like a trivial feature, but it would make worlds of difference
and it is not trivial to implement because you need a
FreeDesktop.org-vetted protocol for signalling "show the save button" from
browser to apps, you need support for this workflow in both web browser and
apps, you need to handle legacy apps and be able to tell which are which,
you need the "keep this file" action to be extensible and system-defined so
that we could do things like keeping all viewed files for a week without
altering the apps, and a metric ton of other details.

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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Google Summer of Code Ideas

[Cameron Norman]

The first one that comes to mind is presentation software (like Ease, 
but obviously more mature).


Another idea that has been floating around in my mind is an elementary 
HIG'd audio session manager (check out Gladish, Claudia, Non Session 
Manager for an example of what this is) that would stress the ideas of 
automatically saved state and easy undo.


Cheers,
Cameron

El Tue, 11 de Feb 2014 a las 1:43 PM, David Gomes 
 escribió:

Hi everyone,

It turns out that one of the reasons we weren't accepted for GSOC 
last year was the lack of quality ideas. It seems then that projects 
for GSOC should be 3 months of work. Maybe for one of us (the regular 
developers) they'd be 1 month of work, but they should be 3 months of 
work for a newcomer to elementary.


Having said that, I need you guys to tell me all of your ideas! Which 
ideas? Anything that's doable in 3 months (and especially NEW APPS, 
not plugins, not new features on existing apps).


tl;dr;requesting all ideas for new apps missing in the elementary 
environment that GSOC students could write with our help as mentors.


Regards,
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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Google Summer Of Code

[Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff]

2013/2/25 Eduard Gotwig :
> There are no fresh isos
Yeah, so nobody really knows. But in theory it should be fixed.
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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Google Summer Of Code

[Eduard Gotwig]

There are no fresh isos


2013/2/25 David Gomes 

> But is it fixed on fresh ISOs?
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 4:10 PM, Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff <
> ser...@elementaryos.org> wrote:
>
>> 2013/2/25 Akshay Shekher :
>> > About the root terminal Icon bug, I don't know how to fix it and nobody
>> told
>> > me it wasn't possible. :-)
>> > It would be nice to have it fixed though.
>>
>> It's been fixed for a while now, rejoice! "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
>> and a reboot should get you the fix. If not, "sudo apt-get install
>> user-specific-alternatives" and a reboot will.
>>
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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Google Summer Of Code

[David Gomes]

But is it fixed on fresh ISOs?


On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 4:10 PM, Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff <
ser...@elementaryos.org> wrote:

> 2013/2/25 Akshay Shekher :
> > About the root terminal Icon bug, I don't know how to fix it and nobody
> told
> > me it wasn't possible. :-)
> > It would be nice to have it fixed though.
>
> It's been fixed for a while now, rejoice! "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
> and a reboot should get you the fix. If not, "sudo apt-get install
> user-specific-alternatives" and a reboot will.
>
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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Google Summer Of Code

[Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff]

2013/2/25 Akshay Shekher :
> About the root terminal Icon bug, I don't know how to fix it and nobody told
> me it wasn't possible. :-)
> It would be nice to have it fixed though.

It's been fixed for a while now, rejoice! "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
and a reboot should get you the fix. If not, "sudo apt-get install
user-specific-alternatives" and a reboot will.

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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Google Summer Of Code

[David Gomes]

I already asked eshat to unindex them from google using robots.txt or
whatever, and he did it, they don't show on Google now (I think).


On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 11:45 AM, Akshay Shekher wrote:

> About the root terminal Icon bug, I don't know how to fix it and nobody
> told me it wasn't possible. :-)
> It would be nice to have it fixed though.
>
> About GSoC, great idea we will get more attention and more attention mean
> more users & dev's.
>
> Teemperor: all our irc talks are documented for eternity (logs are being
> indexed by Google I think).
> And sorry I couldn't think of a clever joke either :-)
> *pets teemperor*
>
> Akshay Shekher
>  On Feb 24, 2013 5:15 PM, "Teemperor"  wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> i hope everyone is reading this thread carefully ;).
>>
>> The situation is the following, we have from 18 march to 29 march time to
>> send our application.
>>
>> The schedule is here:
>> http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2013 (scroll down)
>>
>> I already created a Google Docs document regarding the question we need
>> to answer in the application and shared it with "coun...@elementaryos.org"
>> as i'm not sure if there is anyone against making that public visible
>> (other organizations keep it hidden it seems, at least KDE does, but i
>> don't want to decide that on my own if we publish that).
>>
>> We need an administrator and a backup administrator, i think they just do
>> the communication stuff with Google (AFAIK), i think cody or dan are
>> suitable persons for that.
>>
>> We also need mentors. Mentors are the people for tutoring the students,
>> despite i'm not an official member yet of the elementary team, i'll just
>> volunteer as i have the spare time do the job, so we have already one. The
>> more the better!
>>
>> Ok, before the people in #elementary are going to hurt me i'll end this
>> message and hope for some replys :) (I already see fabian lurking around
>> the docs page).
>>
>> (Oh dear, my IRC-talk got documented for eternity and i haven't made a
>> good joke about me and voldy)
>>
>> Regards, Raphael "teemperor" Isemann
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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Google Summer Of Code

[Akshay Shekher]

About the root terminal Icon bug, I don't know how to fix it and nobody
told me it wasn't possible. :-)
It would be nice to have it fixed though.

About GSoC, great idea we will get more attention and more attention mean
more users & dev's.

Teemperor: all our irc talks are documented for eternity (logs are being
indexed by Google I think).
And sorry I couldn't think of a clever joke either :-)
*pets teemperor*

Akshay Shekher

On Feb 24, 2013 5:15 PM, "Teemperor"  wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> i hope everyone is reading this thread carefully ;).
>
> The situation is the following, we have from 18 march to 29 march time to
> send our application.
>
> The schedule is here:
> http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2013 (scroll down)
>
> I already created a Google Docs document regarding the question we need to
> answer in the application and shared it with "coun...@elementaryos.org"
> as i'm not sure if there is anyone against making that public visible
> (other organizations keep it hidden it seems, at least KDE does, but i
> don't want to decide that on my own if we publish that).
>
> We need an administrator and a backup administrator, i think they just do
> the communication stuff with Google (AFAIK), i think cody or dan are
> suitable persons for that.
>
> We also need mentors. Mentors are the people for tutoring the students,
> despite i'm not an official member yet of the elementary team, i'll just
> volunteer as i have the spare time do the job, so we have already one. The
> more the better!
>
> Ok, before the people in #elementary are going to hurt me i'll end this
> message and hope for some replys :) (I already see fabian lurking around
> the docs page).
>
> (Oh dear, my IRC-talk got documented for eternity and i haven't made a
> good joke about me and voldy)
>
> Regards, Raphael "teemperor" Isemann
>
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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Google Summer Of Code

[Akshay Shekher]

About the root terminal Icon bug, I don't know how to fix it and nobody
told me it wasn't possible. :-)
It would be nice to have it fixed though.

About GSoC, great idea we will get more attention and more attention mean
more users & dev's.

Teemperor: all our irc talks are documented for eternity (logs are being
indexed by Google I think).
And sorry I couldn't think of a clever joke either :-)
*pets teemperor*

Akshay Shekher
 On Feb 24, 2013 5:15 PM, "Teemperor"  wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> i hope everyone is reading this thread carefully ;).
>
> The situation is the following, we have from 18 march to 29 march time to
> send our application.
>
> The schedule is here:
> http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2013 (scroll down)
>
> I already created a Google Docs document regarding the question we need to
> answer in the application and shared it with "coun...@elementaryos.org"
> as i'm not sure if there is anyone against making that public visible
> (other organizations keep it hidden it seems, at least KDE does, but i
> don't want to decide that on my own if we publish that).
>
> We need an administrator and a backup administrator, i think they just do
> the communication stuff with Google (AFAIK), i think cody or dan are
> suitable persons for that.
>
> We also need mentors. Mentors are the people for tutoring the students,
> despite i'm not an official member yet of the elementary team, i'll just
> volunteer as i have the spare time do the job, so we have already one. The
> more the better!
>
> Ok, before the people in #elementary are going to hurt me i'll end this
> message and hope for some replys :) (I already see fabian lurking around
> the docs page).
>
> (Oh dear, my IRC-talk got documented for eternity and i haven't made a
> good joke about me and voldy)
>
> Regards, Raphael "teemperor" Isemann
>
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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Google Summer Of Code

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Hi everyone,

i hope everyone is reading this thread carefully ;).

The situation is the following, we have from 18 march to 29 march time to send 
our application.

The schedule is here: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2013 
(scroll down)

I already created a Google Docs document regarding the question we need to 
answer in the application and shared it with "coun...@elementaryos.org" as i'm 
not sure if there is anyone against making that public visible (other 
organizations keep it hidden it seems, at least KDE does, but i don't want to 
decide that on my own if we publish that).

We need an administrator and a backup administrator, i think they just do the 
communication stuff with Google (AFAIK), i think cody or dan are suitable 
persons for that.

We also need mentors. Mentors are the people for tutoring the students, despite 
i'm not an official member yet of the elementary team, i'll just volunteer as i 
have the spare time do the job, so we have already one. The more the better!

Ok, before the people in #elementary are going to hurt me i'll end this message 
and hope for some replys :) (I already see fabian lurking around the docs page).

(Oh dear, my IRC-talk got documented for eternity and i haven't made a good 
joke about me and voldy)

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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Google Summer Of Code

[Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff]

Regarding GSoC, Wikipedia and Google are your friends:
https://developers.google.com/open-source/soc/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code

There's plenty of blogposts from project maintainers about GSoC
results for the projects too. And you can always drop into an IRC of
some projects that have participated and just ask for advice.
Surprisingly, it usually works.

Regarding terminal icon bug
(https://bugs.launchpad.net/elementaryos/+bug/1017171), TL;DR: I've
worked it around a while ago, "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" and a reboot
should fix it. If not, "sudo apt-get install
user-specific-alternatives" and a reboot.

The bug is actually rooted in BAMF (https://launchpad.net/bamf) which
doesn't work well with things launched via Debian alternatives system
(http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAlternatives), probably because it's not
aware of its way of invoking binaries via chained symlinks.

The development story above is in fact accurate, except what was
proposed is an ugly workaround, not a fix. I especially like the "And
then shnatsel told that person that because of something-something it
really wasn't possible." - that's the most concise way to explain it
I've seen so far!

I've eventually worked around the bug by writing a wrapper for
handling invocation of apps via alternatives system more "properly" in
several respects.
First, the application is invoked directly by its name looked up in
$PATH, not by a symlink that confuses BAMF and doesn't take $PATH
hierarchy into account. This fixes the "wrong icon" bug too.
Second, it launches the user-preferred application instead of a
package-maintainer-defined one, so if your preferred web browser is
Firefox, running "x-www-browser" will launch Firefox, not Midori.

Curiously, the terminal icon bug does not seem to occur in Unity, I
believe BAMF uses some other workaround there. I didn't have time to
test other alternatives system names such as "x-www-browser" or
"gnome-text-editor" though. But the wrapper could be useful in Ubuntu
even if it's not affected by this bug.

I've posted to Ubuntu-devel-discuss list about it, refer to my post
for more info on the wrapper:
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2013-January/014255.html
Getting it in Ubuntu will require more effort though and I don't have
any time to spare for such relatively minor things (blah exams blah
work blah os bugs blah blah).

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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Google+ Hangouts on Air

[Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff]

I'm not excited about the idea TBH. But if anybody wants me to be there,
let me know and I'll try to borrow a webcam.

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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Google+ Hangouts on Air

[Sam Tate]

Here's the doc:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dy7KCYPzeGbAycJZYRFhTV38G5lKXRz8600Ms0ynXH0/edit
I currently added a few people who came to mind for editing, but email me
back if you want edit access :P

Regards,
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On 25 September 2012 16:51, Daniel Foré  wrote:

> Yea I'm down. I'll add it to my calendar :)
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 8:29 AM, Dane Henson wrote:
>
>> I can't guarantee I'll show, but it's the time with the highest
>> probability of me being there.  Either way, I would love to see this
>> happen.  It will benefit the devs, and benefit the surrounding community.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 7:38 AM, Ivo Nunes  wrote:
>>
>> OK to me.
>> On 25 Sep 2012 10:48, "Sam Tate"  wrote:
>>
>>> So are we all OK for Saturday 29th at 16:00 GMT for the first one?
>>> On 25 Sep 2012 01:52, "Daniel Fore"  wrote:
>>>
 I'm down. My schedule is pretty tight, but if it's planned ahead of
 time I'll be there.

 On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 10:59 AM, Cassidy James <
 cass...@elementaryos.org> wrote:

 Just a quick reminder to make sure you're choosing the correct timezone
 if you're responding to the Doodle poll; it'll localize everyone's times
 for you when you're viewing it.

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 On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 12:37 PM, Cassidy James <
 cass...@elementaryos.org> wrote:

> To test the waters, I made a Doodle poll with some possible times for
> weekends. Although it has specific dates, just pay attention to the actual
> day. Make sure you expand it (there are a ton of options!).
>
> http://doodle.com/cb4if7ayg68gun6v
>
> Regards,
> Cassidy James
>
> --
> Sent from *elementary OS* .
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 12:27 PM, Voldyman wrote:
>
>> Very good idea. I was talking to munchor about this.
>>
>>
>> On Sep 21, 2012, at 10:42 PM, Ivo Nunes  wrote:
>>
>> Sounds like a great idea! :)
>> On 21 Sep 2012 18:09, "Sam Tate" < s...@mtate.me.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm thinking that we could do a weekly/fortnightly Google+ Hangout
>>> on Air (like a live video podcast) about elementary.
>>>
>>> We could first start off with any news or interesting items, then
>>> talk about concepts that we are thinking about, and then maybe answer 
>>> some
>>> questions (kind of like an "Email In" thing).
>>>
>>> We probably need about 4-6 people, and we could rotate every episode
>>> depending on who could do it that week.
>>>
>>> Thoughts?
>>>
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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Google+ Hangouts on Air

[Daniel Foré]

Yea I'm down. I'll add it to my calendar :)

On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 8:29 AM, Dane Henson  wrote:

> I can't guarantee I'll show, but it's the time with the highest
> probability of me being there.  Either way, I would love to see this
> happen.  It will benefit the devs, and benefit the surrounding community.
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 7:38 AM, Ivo Nunes  wrote:
>
> OK to me.
> On 25 Sep 2012 10:48, "Sam Tate"  wrote:
>
>> So are we all OK for Saturday 29th at 16:00 GMT for the first one?
>> On 25 Sep 2012 01:52, "Daniel Fore"  wrote:
>>
>>> I'm down. My schedule is pretty tight, but if it's planned ahead of time
>>> I'll be there.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 10:59 AM, Cassidy James <
>>> cass...@elementaryos.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Just a quick reminder to make sure you're choosing the correct timezone
>>> if you're responding to the Doodle poll; it'll localize everyone's times
>>> for you when you're viewing it.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Cassidy James
>>>
>>> --
>>> Sent from *elementary OS* .
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 12:37 PM, Cassidy James <
>>> cass...@elementaryos.org> wrote:
>>>
 To test the waters, I made a Doodle poll with some possible times for
 weekends. Although it has specific dates, just pay attention to the actual
 day. Make sure you expand it (there are a ton of options!).

 http://doodle.com/cb4if7ayg68gun6v

 Regards,
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 On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 12:27 PM, Voldyman wrote:

> Very good idea. I was talking to munchor about this.
>
>
> On Sep 21, 2012, at 10:42 PM, Ivo Nunes  wrote:
>
> Sounds like a great idea! :)
> On 21 Sep 2012 18:09, "Sam Tate" < s...@mtate.me.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> I'm thinking that we could do a weekly/fortnightly Google+ Hangout on
>> Air (like a live video podcast) about elementary.
>>
>> We could first start off with any news or interesting items, then
>> talk about concepts that we are thinking about, and then maybe answer 
>> some
>> questions (kind of like an "Email In" thing).
>>
>> We probably need about 4-6 people, and we could rotate every episode
>> depending on who could do it that week.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Google+ Hangouts on Air

[Dane Henson]

I can't guarantee I'll show, but it's the time with the highest probability of 
me being there.  Either way, I would love to see this happen.  It will benefit 
the devs, and benefit the surrounding community.

On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 7:38 AM, Ivo Nunes  wrote:
OK to me.

On 25 Sep 2012 10:48, "Sam Tate"  wrote:
So are we all OK for Saturday 29th at 16:00 GMT for the first one?

On 25 Sep 2012 01:52, "Daniel Fore"  wrote:
I'm down. My schedule is pretty tight, but if it's planned ahead of time I'll 
be there.

On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 10:59 AM, Cassidy James  
wrote:
Just a quick reminder to make sure you're choosing the correct timezone if 
you're responding to the Doodle poll; it'll localize everyone's times for you 
when you're viewing it.

Regards,
Cassidy James

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wrote:
To test the waters, I made a Doodle poll with some possible times for weekends. 
Although it has specific dates, just pay attention to the actual day. Make sure 
you expand it (there are a ton of options!).

http://doodle.com/cb4if7ayg68gun6v

Regards,
Cassidy James

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On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 12:27 PM, Voldyman  wrote:
Very good idea. I was talking to munchor about this.


On Sep 21, 2012, at 10:42 PM, Ivo Nunes  wrote:

Sounds like a great idea! :)

On 21 Sep 2012 18:09, "Sam Tate"  wrote:
I'm thinking that we could do a weekly/fortnightly Google+ Hangout on Air (like 
a live video podcast) about elementary.

We could first start off with any news or interesting items, then talk about 
concepts that we are thinking about, and then maybe answer some questions (kind 
of like an "Email In" thing).

We probably need about 4-6 people, and we could rotate every episode depending 
on who could do it that week.

Thoughts?

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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Google+ Hangouts on Air

[Ivo Nunes]

OK to me.
On 25 Sep 2012 10:48, "Sam Tate"  wrote:

> So are we all OK for Saturday 29th at 16:00 GMT for the first one?
> On 25 Sep 2012 01:52, "Daniel Fore"  wrote:
>
>> I'm down. My schedule is pretty tight, but if it's planned ahead of time
>> I'll be there.
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 10:59 AM, Cassidy James 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Just a quick reminder to make sure you're choosing the correct timezone
>> if you're responding to the Doodle poll; it'll localize everyone's times
>> for you when you're viewing it.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Cassidy James
>>
>> --
>> Sent from *elementary OS* .
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 12:37 PM, Cassidy James > > wrote:
>>
>>> To test the waters, I made a Doodle poll with some possible times for
>>> weekends. Although it has specific dates, just pay attention to the actual
>>> day. Make sure you expand it (there are a ton of options!).
>>>
>>> http://doodle.com/cb4if7ayg68gun6v
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Cassidy James
>>>
>>> --
>>> Sent from *elementary OS* .
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 12:27 PM, Voldyman wrote:
>>>
 Very good idea. I was talking to munchor about this.


 On Sep 21, 2012, at 10:42 PM, Ivo Nunes  wrote:

 Sounds like a great idea! :)
 On 21 Sep 2012 18:09, "Sam Tate" < s...@mtate.me.uk> 
 wrote:

> I'm thinking that we could do a weekly/fortnightly Google+ Hangout on
> Air (like a live video podcast) about elementary.
>
> We could first start off with any news or interesting items, then talk
> about concepts that we are thinking about, and then maybe answer some
> questions (kind of like an "Email In" thing).
>
> We probably need about 4-6 people, and we could rotate every episode
> depending on who could do it that week.
>
> Thoughts?
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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Google+ Hangouts on Air

[Sam Tate]

So are we all OK for Saturday 29th at 16:00 GMT for the first one?
On 25 Sep 2012 01:52, "Daniel Fore"  wrote:

> I'm down. My schedule is pretty tight, but if it's planned ahead of time
> I'll be there.
>
> On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 10:59 AM, Cassidy James 
> wrote:
>
> Just a quick reminder to make sure you're choosing the correct timezone if
> you're responding to the Doodle poll; it'll localize everyone's times for
> you when you're viewing it.
>
> Regards,
> Cassidy James
>
> --
> Sent from *elementary OS* .
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 12:37 PM, Cassidy James 
> wrote:
>
>> To test the waters, I made a Doodle poll with some possible times for
>> weekends. Although it has specific dates, just pay attention to the actual
>> day. Make sure you expand it (there are a ton of options!).
>>
>> http://doodle.com/cb4if7ayg68gun6v
>>
>> Regards,
>> Cassidy James
>>
>> --
>> Sent from *elementary OS* .
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 12:27 PM, Voldyman  wrote:
>>
>>> Very good idea. I was talking to munchor about this.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sep 21, 2012, at 10:42 PM, Ivo Nunes  wrote:
>>>
>>> Sounds like a great idea! :)
>>> On 21 Sep 2012 18:09, "Sam Tate" < s...@mtate.me.uk> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I'm thinking that we could do a weekly/fortnightly Google+ Hangout on
 Air (like a live video podcast) about elementary.

 We could first start off with any news or interesting items, then talk
 about concepts that we are thinking about, and then maybe answer some
 questions (kind of like an "Email In" thing).

 We probably need about 4-6 people, and we could rotate every episode
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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Google+ Hangouts on Air

[Daniel Fore]

I'm down. My schedule is pretty tight, but if it's planned ahead of time I'll 
be there.

On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 10:59 AM, Cassidy James  
wrote:
Just a quick reminder to make sure you're choosing the correct timezone if 
you're responding to the Doodle poll; it'll localize everyone's times for you 
when you're viewing it.

Regards,
Cassidy James

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On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 12:37 PM, Cassidy James  
wrote:
To test the waters, I made a Doodle poll with some possible times for weekends. 
Although it has specific dates, just pay attention to the actual day. Make sure 
you expand it (there are a ton of options!).

http://doodle.com/cb4if7ayg68gun6v

Regards,
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On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 12:27 PM, Voldyman  wrote:
Very good idea. I was talking to munchor about this.


On Sep 21, 2012, at 10:42 PM, Ivo Nunes  wrote:

Sounds like a great idea! :)

On 21 Sep 2012 18:09, "Sam Tate"  wrote:
I'm thinking that we could do a weekly/fortnightly Google+ Hangout on Air (like 
a live video podcast) about elementary.

We could first start off with any news or interesting items, then talk about 
concepts that we are thinking about, and then maybe answer some questions (kind 
of like an "Email In" thing).

We probably need about 4-6 people, and we could rotate every episode depending 
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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Google+ Hangouts on Air

[Cassidy James]

Just a quick reminder to make sure you're choosing the correct timezone if
you're responding to the Doodle poll; it'll localize everyone's times for
you when you're viewing it.

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On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 12:37 PM, Cassidy James wrote:

> To test the waters, I made a Doodle poll with some possible times for
> weekends. Although it has specific dates, just pay attention to the actual
> day. Make sure you expand it (there are a ton of options!).
>
> http://doodle.com/cb4if7ayg68gun6v
>
> Regards,
> Cassidy James
>
> --
> Sent from *elementary OS* .
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 12:27 PM, Voldyman  wrote:
>
>> Very good idea. I was talking to munchor about this.
>>
>>
>> On Sep 21, 2012, at 10:42 PM, Ivo Nunes  wrote:
>>
>> Sounds like a great idea! :)
>> On 21 Sep 2012 18:09, "Sam Tate" < s...@mtate.me.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm thinking that we could do a weekly/fortnightly Google+ Hangout on
>>> Air (like a live video podcast) about elementary.
>>>
>>> We could first start off with any news or interesting items, then talk
>>> about concepts that we are thinking about, and then maybe answer some
>>> questions (kind of like an "Email In" thing).
>>>
>>> We probably need about 4-6 people, and we could rotate every episode
>>> depending on who could do it that week.
>>>
>>> Thoughts?
>>>
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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Google+ Hangouts on Air

[Cassidy James]

To test the waters, I made a Doodle poll with some possible times for
weekends. Although it has specific dates, just pay attention to the actual
day. Make sure you expand it (there are a ton of options!).

http://doodle.com/cb4if7ayg68gun6v

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On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 12:27 PM, Voldyman  wrote:

> Very good idea. I was talking to munchor about this.
>
>
> On Sep 21, 2012, at 10:42 PM, Ivo Nunes  wrote:
>
> Sounds like a great idea! :)
> On 21 Sep 2012 18:09, "Sam Tate" < s...@mtate.me.uk> wrote:
>
>> I'm thinking that we could do a weekly/fortnightly Google+ Hangout on Air
>> (like a live video podcast) about elementary.
>>
>> We could first start off with any news or interesting items, then talk
>> about concepts that we are thinking about, and then maybe answer some
>> questions (kind of like an "Email In" thing).
>>
>> We probably need about 4-6 people, and we could rotate every episode
>> depending on who could do it that week.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Google+ Hangouts on Air

[Voldyman]

Very good idea. I was talking to munchor about this.

On Sep 21, 2012, at 10:42 PM, Ivo Nunes  wrote:

> Sounds like a great idea! :)
> 
> On 21 Sep 2012 18:09, "Sam Tate"  wrote:
> I'm thinking that we could do a weekly/fortnightly Google+ Hangout on Air 
> (like a live video podcast) about elementary.
> 
> We could first start off with any news or interesting items, then talk about 
> concepts that we are thinking about, and then maybe answer some questions 
> (kind of like an "Email In" thing).
> 
> We probably need about 4-6 people, and we could rotate every episode 
> depending on who could do it that week.
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> Thoughts?
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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Google+ Hangouts on Air

[Ivo Nunes]

Sounds like a great idea! :)
On 21 Sep 2012 18:09, "Sam Tate"  wrote:

> I'm thinking that we could do a weekly/fortnightly Google+ Hangout on Air
> (like a live video podcast) about elementary.
>
> We could first start off with any news or interesting items, then talk
> about concepts that we are thinking about, and then maybe answer some
> questions (kind of like an "Email In" thing).
>
> We probably need about 4-6 people, and we could rotate every episode
> depending on who could do it that week.
>
> Thoughts?
>
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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Google+ Hangouts on Air

[Cassidy James]

Depending on the time we do it, I'd be up for it nearly every weekend.
Perhaps we could switch off times so people from different timezones could
get involved?

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On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 12:08 PM, Sam Tate  wrote:

> I'm thinking that we could do a weekly/fortnightly Google+ Hangout on Air
> (like a live video podcast) about elementary.
>
> We could first start off with any news or interesting items, then talk
> about concepts that we are thinking about, and then maybe answer some
> questions (kind of like an "Email In" thing).
>
> We probably need about 4-6 people, and we could rotate every episode
> depending on who could do it that week.
>
> Thoughts?
>
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