Thank you everyone for your input. I guess we can just leave the function as it is.
On Mon, 31 Dec 2018 08:59:00 -0800 (PST) Randy Creasi <rcre...@gmail.com> wrote: > I'm a native English speaker and I would have a very hard time trying to > formalize when to use "by" rather than "with." > The two words have numerous and varied usages and there's a lot of overlap. > If I were to try to generalize, I'd say: > "By" tells you what method is being used to perform an action. > "With" tells you which tool is being used. > > Example: > I split the apple by cutting it. > I split the apple with a knife. > > But that leaves out a lot nuance and many other ways the two words can be > interpreted. > Because of the ambiguity I don't think renaming the function would > accomplish much in terms of clarification. > > On Monday, December 31, 2018 at 10:27:09 AM UTC-5, Allen Madsen wrote: > > > > I'm a native speaker. > > > > `starts_with?` reads as `adjective` followed by a `preposition`. > > `split_with` reads as `verb` followed by a `preposition`. > > > > So, this wouldn't be confusing to me. > > > > As far as `_with` vs `_by`, I think `_by` has a slight leaning to element > > wise operations, whereas `_with` has a slight leaning towards operations > > that work on multiple elements, such as specifying the sorting function > > which would compare two elements together. However, there are many cases > > where they could be interchangeable. > > > > Allen Madsen > > http://www.allenmadsen.com > > > > > > On Mon, Dec 31, 2018 at 9:44 AM José Valim <jose....@plataformatec.com.br > > <javascript:>> wrote: > > > >> > My main point here is tthat "_with" in the String and List modules is > >> used to compare terms directly, and functions with the "_by" suffix accept > >> a function and process info based on that. > >> > >> I don't think we can consider the suffixes in isolation. That would be an > >> unnatural way to organize the API. How "_with" is used in start_with? is a > >> different meaning than split_with which is marked by the preceding verbs. > >> So unless the preceding word is also in the same category, like > >> max/min/uniq which are aggregations, I believe we are comparing apples and > >> oranges. > >> > >> *José Valim* > >> www.plataformatec.com.br > >> Skype: jv.ptec > >> Founder and Director of R&D > >> > >> > >> On Mon, Dec 31, 2018 at 1:52 PM eksperimental <eksper...@autistici.org > >> <javascript:>> wrote: > >> > >>> On Mon, 31 Dec 2018 13:19:51 +0100 > >>> José Valim <jose....@plataformatec.com.br <javascript:>> wrote: > >>> > From your group of functions, I would argue that only chunk_by is > >>> similar > >>> > to similar split_with, as the other functions are about computing a > >>> > property from the data. So they may use the same suffix but the suffix > >>> may > >>> > not necessarily mean the same thing. > >>> > >>> Thank you José for taking the time to answer. > >>> My main point here is tthat "_with" in the String and List > >>> modules is used to compare terms directly, and functions with the "_by" > >>> suffix accept a function > >>> and process info based on that. > >>> > >>> The connotation that "_with" has on me is that an argument contains this > >>> term; > >>> while "_by" implies to do something like split, sort, group based on > >>> this condition/rule which > >>> happens to always be a function, not a term to compare to. > >>> > >>> I would also love to hear the opinion of native speakers. > >>> > >>> -- > >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >>> Groups "elixir-lang-core" group. > >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > >>> an email to elixir-lang-co...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>. > >>> To view this discussion on the web visit > >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/elixir-lang-core/20181231195201.1b3d1c08.eksperimental%40autistici.org > >>> . > >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > >>> > >> -- > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > >> "elixir-lang-core" group. > >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > >> email to elixir-lang-co...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>. > >> To view this discussion on the web visit > >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/elixir-lang-core/CAGnRm4%2BiA1nJooFZDUhN8xhjGWeedo2-jNEQu4z%2Bfa6YCMS-sg%40mail.gmail.com > >> > >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/elixir-lang-core/CAGnRm4%2BiA1nJooFZDUhN8xhjGWeedo2-jNEQu4z%2Bfa6YCMS-sg%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > >> . > >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > >> > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "elixir-lang-core" group. 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