[elm-discuss] Re: Advantages of the module - exposing syntax

I find exposing functions/types at the top gives a nice summary of what is exposed when reading a new module. I can usually get a good idea of how the module works by seeing the names of the things that are exposed next to each other. That would be harder to do if the exposed annotation is

[elm-discuss] Re: Inter triplets communication.

This is a very educational discussion! Thank you for sharing links and examples. As perhaps a minor point, I believe the elm-sortable-table does NOT belong in the list of "encapsulated state", "components", "triplets". It does have a State type defined. But a notable difference with various

Re: [elm-discuss] Cmd.andThen

Austin, you're exactly correct. Cmd is meant to be passed out to the runtime, that's it. The reason Http allows you to skip Task is for learnability. You can make a simple request without learning what a Task is. But we shouldn't be hobbled by that when we want to compose different types of

Re: [elm-discuss] Managing global state in Elm

Hey Eric, please elaborate on this one. How do you envision leaf component triggering global state update? > The second problem becomes: *how do we load this global state/business > data into the application and cache it?* This requirement is now fairly > easy to wire-up in elm since the

[elm-discuss] Re: Opening multiple web sockets with the same address?

The low-level API just became a lot less attractive when I realized that the listener API for sockets is basically only constructed to work with effects managers. Mark On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 6:45 AM Mark Hamburg wrote: > We've been building an app that communicates with

Re: [elm-discuss] Cmd.andThen

A bigger issue going forward is that with effects managers, commands aren't just shims around tasks. So, the notion that a module should expose both a command-based interface and a task-based interface doesn't hold up well in the long term. That leads me back to the notion that if commands are the

[elm-discuss] Re: Help with migrating to the new elm-lang/http.

It maps to the native XMLHttpRequest.withCredentials. It applies only to cross-site requests. https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/XMLHttpRequest/withCredentials On Wednesday, 30 November 2016 11:56:34 UTC-3, Rupert Smith wrote: > > On Tuesday, November 29, 2016 at 4:44:01 PM UTC,

Re: [elm-discuss] Inter triplets communication.

> > Thank you for this example. But I don't see how to properly trigger my > "ratings" storage reload action if user state changed. However you please! The caller has the necessary User info now, so UserInfo is out of the picture and you can do whatever would normally make sense. Here's one

[elm-discuss] Re: Help with migrating to the new elm-lang/http.

`withCredentials` is a normal Javascript AJAX argument, it means to pass credential information to the remote server if you are connecting to a remote server; without it then credentials are not passed, which is better for security but without it you may not be able to access things without

Re: [elm-discuss] Re: Advantages of the module - exposing syntax

This is something that is probably solved by having better IDE/editor tools to manage imports/exports, rather than changing the language. The import syntax has gone through many iterations, so I wouldn't be surprised if it's pretty stable where it is. On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 8:33 AM, Matthew

[elm-discuss] Svelte for components?

There's been some ongoing discussion about components (web components, simplifying design with component re-use, etc.) and I saw this introduction to Svelte today: https://svelte.technology/blog/frameworks-without-the-framework/ It seems like a compiler that produces bare-metal components by

Re: [elm-discuss] Re: Advantages of the module - exposing syntax

The module's interface is an entity unto itself. When I am visiting unfamiliar code, I often want to know what its API looks like. Having everything there at the top is way easier than having to scan through search results for Ctrl-F "exposed". It also helps with design. Seeing the entire

[elm-discuss] Re: Instaslling Elm 0.17 and Elm 0.18 at the same time.

Maybe this would be helpfull: https://www.npmjs.com/package/elm-version-manager On Tuesday, November 29, 2016 at 3:54:06 PM UTC+2, Rupert Smith wrote: > > I've been trying to follow these instructions: > > http://www.lambdacat.com/how-to-setup-local-development-for-elm/ > > but getting some

[elm-discuss] Re: Rename Just to Something, as the counterpart to Nothing?

This is what it comes down to for me: Richard F talking about Maybes: https://youtu.be/IcgmSRJHu_8?t=9m21s He says "those will go from a series of Nothings to a series of Justs". Thing a | Nothing would mean he'd say "those will go from a series of Nothings to a series of Things" which makes

Re: [elm-discuss] Re: Instaslling Elm 0.17 and Elm 0.18 at the same time.

To expand on what simon said: If you're using multiple Elm versions in production, use the version installed via a local npm and make all your tooling refer to node_modules/.bin/elm-make and friends. That way you can have a global install of elm at a version, but still use 0.16 for a particular

Re: [elm-discuss] Inter triplets communication.

> > Put another way, *Elm does not have anything similar to components!* > > But how about elm-mdl, elm-autocomplete, elm-ui, elm-datepicker, > elm-form, elm-sortable-table even spinner elm-spinner? Thay all use theirs > model, update, view "triplet" to be reusable and hide implementation >

[elm-discuss] Re: Inter triplets communication.

On Monday, November 28, 2016 at 2:38:13 PM UTC, Rupert Smith wrote: > > On Monday, November 28, 2016 at 2:01:34 PM UTC, sergii.k...@zalando.de > wrote: >> >> I feel it will be too messy to keep all this inter-triplet logic here. Is >> there a better way? Maybe something similar to pub/sub or

Re: [elm-discuss] Inter triplets communication.

@Richard Thank you for this example. But I don't see how to properly trigger my "ratings" storage reload action if user state changed. Another question, What do you think about pages separation? For example, I have several independent tabs and one of the tabs called "Rating" and It has some

Re: [elm-discuss] Inter triplets communication.

On Wednesday, November 30, 2016 at 2:41:21 AM UTC, sergii.k...@zalando.de wrote: > > Even more, it is exactly like described here > https://gist.github.com/evancz/2b2ba366cae1887fe621 by the author of Elm > This is a gem. Not seen it before but there are some really useful ideas in there.

[elm-discuss] Re: Svelte for components?

The best parts of it seem to be its compiler (performance and dead branch trimming of compiled code). Otherwise, it looks like a similar machination to Angular 1. (HTML-based templates, mustaches, two-way binding, directives). Component-orientedness = object-orientedness. The same refactoring

Re: [elm-discuss] Cmd.andThen

This does sound like a useful addition. Unlike most of the functions that people suggest adding to core, I don't think Cmd.andThen can be written by an end user (or library author). On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 7:19 AM, Mark Hamburg wrote: > A bigger issue going forward is

Re: [elm-discuss] Rename Just to Something, as the counterpart to Nothing?

“those will go from a series of No’s to a series of Yes’s” would also make sense. > On 30 Nov 2016, at 21:42, Will White wrote: > > This is what it comes down to for me: > > Richard F talking about Maybes: https://youtu.be/IcgmSRJHu_8?t=9m21s > > He says "those will

Re: [elm-discuss] Cmd.andThen

Yeah. And considering that the high-level web socket API is held up as the standard of where things are going, it would seem the absence of exposed chainable tasks is likely only to get worse. Another way to look at this as I think about it is: Why Cmd msg as opposed to Task Never msg as a result

[elm-discuss] Opening multiple web sockets with the same address?

We've been building an app that communicates with the server via web sockets. The server associates account information with the socket so we don't have to send it repeatedly. We've recently been thinking about how to handle login to multiple accounts. The proposal that floated up was to simply

[elm-discuss] Re: Help with migrating to the new elm-lang/http.

On Tuesday, November 29, 2016 at 4:44:01 PM UTC, Rupert Smith wrote: > > This write up here is proving very helpful in understanding the new > elm-lang/http. Has before and after examples showing how code is changed > between 0.17 and 0.18: > >

Re: [elm-discuss] Cmd.andThen

As a relative newcomer to Elm, the impression I have is that Cmd is "special" and really part of the underlying runtime world. Maybe this is a misconception, but the impenetrability of Cmd gives it that sense. At the same time, Task is accessible, well supported, and put forward as the proper way

[elm-discuss] Re: Inter triplets communication.

Not only me asking this questions. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/elm-discuss/u3J2eSThkjw/4FT3p50uBAAJ and http://blog.jenkster.com/2016/04/how-i-structure-elm-apps.html On of the interesting solutions https://github.com/folkertdev/outmessage another