Re: [elm-discuss] Good Vibes

[Peter Damoc]

On Sun, Oct 16, 2016 at 5:53 PM, John Orford  wrote:

> The way I see it, Elm in Action will be released alongside Elm 1.0.
>

I think that is more likely that Elm in Action will have a last minute
editing effort in order to bring it in line with 0.19

I got very very excited by the move to 0.17 and I thought that 1.0 was very
very close. I now think that we are still some versions away from 1.0.
But that's a good thing.
With every new release, Elm is getting better and better; more people join
the fun and when 1.0 will come... it will be a very big party. :)





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Re: [elm-discuss] Good Vibes

[John Orford]

Peter, thanks for pouring bit of cold water on my positivity : ) ; )

I share your concerns, but every stack brings its own.

Official addressing of concerns is one thing, and organic bubbling up of
ideas is another.

The way I see it, Elm in Action will be released alongside Elm 1.0.

We'll have the first stab at something 'official', workable and widespread.

And following on from that there'll be small innovation or hacks on the
edges of the model and evolution into something better...



On Sun, 16 Oct 2016 at 12:48 Peter Damoc  wrote:

> On Sun, Oct 16, 2016 at 12:01 PM, John Orford 
> wrote:
>
> I think we are almost past humming and hawing about whether to use Elm for
> future projects. The caveats you hear about using Elm, will be ancient
> history.
>
> What is the official, recommended and documented way to do layout and
> styling in Elm?
>
> Elm is on the right road but basic front end concerns are still not
> officially addressed.
>
> So yeah, a reasonably advanced front-end developer could integrate Elm
> into their projects by using the familiar technologies (HTML+CSS+JS) and
> adding bits of solid implementations with Elm BUT, starting in Elm and
> staying in Elm is still so far into the future that I would not dare
> venture a guess as to when will that be available.
> It will happen tho, it is unavoidable. I was recently watching a talk
> about CSS4 Grid layout and realize that, at least in theory, that
> functionality could be implemented in Elm and made to work in a large
> percentage of the browsers way faster than it would take for the official
> technology to be adopted. Same with web components. :)
> Elm could be the ultimate polyfill. :)
>
> I would like to end by saying that you are not alone in perceiving Elm as
> being more far along than it actually is.
> There was this poll
>  that shows
> that Elm users are way to optimistic about how far Elm has come.
> I think we are still in the innovation phase, well bellow the 2.5% mark.
> If someone has hard data that shows otherwise, I would love to be proven
> wrong.
>
>
>
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Re: [elm-discuss] Good Vibes

[Peter Damoc]

On Sun, Oct 16, 2016 at 12:01 PM, John Orford 
wrote:
>
> I think we are almost past humming and hawing about whether to use Elm for
> future projects. The caveats you hear about using Elm, will be ancient
> history.
>
> What is the official, recommended and documented way to do layout and
styling in Elm?

Elm is on the right road but basic front end concerns are still not
officially addressed.

So yeah, a reasonably advanced front-end developer could integrate Elm into
their projects by using the familiar technologies (HTML+CSS+JS) and adding
bits of solid implementations with Elm BUT, starting in Elm and staying in
Elm is still so far into the future that I would not dare venture a guess
as to when will that be available.
It will happen tho, it is unavoidable. I was recently watching a talk about
CSS4 Grid layout and realize that, at least in theory, that functionality
could be implemented in Elm and made to work in a large percentage of the
browsers way faster than it would take for the official technology to be
adopted. Same with web components. :)
Elm could be the ultimate polyfill. :)

I would like to end by saying that you are not alone in perceiving Elm as
being more far along than it actually is.
There was this poll
 that shows that
Elm users are way to optimistic about how far Elm has come.
I think we are still in the innovation phase, well bellow the 2.5% mark.
If someone has hard data that shows otherwise, I would love to be proven
wrong.



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[elm-discuss] Good Vibes

[John Orford]

A few days ago I realised something - Elm is in a great place.

This mailing list shows how good things are.

And then yesterday I saw this very nice talk about the future of
JavaScript... Jafar Husain is an engaging speaker.

But the presentation was rounded out by this:

https://youtu.be/3pKNRgResq0?t=34m

I think we are almost past humming and hawing about whether to use Elm for
future projects. The caveats you hear about using Elm, will be ancient
history.

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