Re: decode-coding-string gone awry?

2005-02-18 Thread Kenichi Handa
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Stefan Monnier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Even if size_byte == size, it may contain eight-bit-graphic >> characters, and decoding such a string is a valid operation. >> And even if size_byte > size, it may contain only ASCII, >> eight-bit-graphic, and eight-

Re: Customize buttons that change user's custom fileshouldaskforconfirmation

2005-02-18 Thread Kim F. Storm
Luc Teirlinck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Kim Storm wrote: > >Both of us seem to primarily customize one option at a time -- >so it's mostly a matter of how far you have to move the mouse >to active that changes... > > We all seem to usually set one option at a time. There is no nee

Re: decode-coding-string gone awry?

2005-02-18 Thread Stefan Monnier
>> I think it should not be considered valid to decode a multibyte string, >> whether the string happens to only contains ASCII (or ASCII+eight-bit-*) >> or not. > But, we allow decode-coding-region in a multibyte buffer. > Then, it's strange not to allow something like this: > (decode-coding-st

Re: Customize buttons that change user's custom fileshouldaskforconfirmation

2005-02-18 Thread Lennart Borgman
- Original Message - From: "Kim F. Storm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Why don't we simply introduce a "customize-expert" option that is off > by default, but can be turned on when the user gains more experience. > > When off, it can limit the features of the customize interface to > those featu

Re: decode-coding-string gone awry?

2005-02-18 Thread Richard Stallman
It's not a trivial work to change the current code (in coding.c) to signal an error safely while doing a code conversion. So, to check if decoding is valid or not, we have to check all characters in a string in advance, which, I think, slows down the operation considerably. Do

Re: Customize buttons that change user's custom fileshouldaskforconfirmation

2005-02-18 Thread Richard Stallman
What is the reason that we must choose and not have both local and global actions? Is it to simplify the UI? I am considering the idea of eliminating one of them in order to simplify the interface. It seems to be far too complex now. ___ Emac

Re: decode-coding-string gone awry?

2005-02-18 Thread Richard Stallman
I think it should not be considered valid to decode a multibyte string, whether the string happens to only contains ASCII (or ASCII+eight-bit-*) or not. But what would it mean, in the other cases? ___ Emacs-devel mailing list Emacs-devel@gn

Re: Customize buttons that change user's custom fileshouldaskforconfirmation

2005-02-18 Thread Luc Teirlinck
Kim Storm wrote: IMHO, this is _expert_ behaviour. I think that most novice users will very rarely mix and match setting some options and saving others. Rarely, but sometimes. Why confuse them badly if they do? Moreover, it is not just setting and saving. It is also about looking at

Re: Customize buttons that change user's custom

2005-02-18 Thread Luc Teirlinck
>From my previous message: I believe that we should introduce a "customize-expert" option, off by default, and only enable the all whole buffer buttons if it is on. I forgot to erase "all". Meant was: I believe that we should introduce a "customize-expert" option, off by default, and o

Re: Customize buttons that change user's custom fileshouldaskforconfirmation

2005-02-18 Thread Kim F. Storm
Luc Teirlinck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Kim Storm wrote: I wrote, you wrote, Lennart wrote, RMS wrote, bla bla bla :-) Seriously, we seem to _completely_ disagree what an ordinary (novice) user would expect from a customization interface. My claim is that he is familiar with an interface wh

RE: Customize buttons that change user's customfileshouldaskforconfirmation

2005-02-18 Thread Drew Adams
What is the reason that we must choose and not have both local and global actions? Is it to simplify the UI? I am considering the idea of eliminating one of them in order to simplify the interface. It seems to be far too complex now. Then I repeat: "Getting rid of the but

Re: Customize buttons that change user's custom fileshouldaskforconfirmation

2005-02-18 Thread Luc Teirlinck
Kim Storm wrote: The confusion arises when you have the option to "set but not save" some options, and later on you do "save" -- that will save all options including those you only "set". No, you completely misunderstand. Getting rid of the Save-Set distinction would _in no way whatsoev

Re: Customize buttons that change user's custom fileshouldaskforconfirmation

2005-02-18 Thread Lennart Borgman
- Original Message - From: "Luc Teirlinck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > So I did talk about "setting" _in addition_ to looking at the choices, > without setting anything. But the point remains that just looking at > the possible choices for an option, without setting anything, poses a > danger

Re: Customize buttons that change user's custom fileshouldaskforconfirmation

2005-02-18 Thread Luc Teirlinck
>From my previous message: You completely misunderstand again. I am talking about just _looking_ at items in a "Value Menu", not about setting anything. Well actually I said: He may just have wanted to set them, or even more likely, just has been looking at them. So I did talk abou

Patch pour tuareg

2005-02-18 Thread Stefan Monnier
Salut, Voilà un gros patch contre 1.44.3. - string-as-multibyte n'est plus utilisé. - Emacs-21 offre l'héritage entre faces. - n'utilise pas tuareg-cache si syntax-ppss peut s'utiliser à la place. - tuareg-font-lock-symbols (un sym-lock pour Emacs). - correction de tuareg-mode-syntax-table pour q

Re: Customize buttons that change user's custom fileshouldaskforconfirmation

2005-02-18 Thread Luc Teirlinck
I lost the CC's im my original reply to Lennart: Lennart Borgman wrote: I agree with your points, but is not this the case with most options dialoges? I myself have often found that I have lost track of what I am doing in those dialoges in other applications. To be sure to avoid trouble

Re: Customize buttons that change user's custom fileshouldaskforconfirmation

2005-02-18 Thread Luc Teirlinck
The button I called RESET TO SAVED in my previous message could also be called: UNDO EDITS. Sincerely, Luc. ___ Emacs-devel mailing list Emacs-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-devel

cus-edit.el

2005-02-18 Thread Luc Teirlinck
As I mentioned before, several strings in `custom-magic-alist' are wrong (I previously gave test cases to show that) or too long. There are several typos in the initial comments. The description of the `rogue state' is too vague. I propose the following patch, which I could install if desired:

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2005-02-18 Thread Amado Duvall
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Re: Customize buttons that change user's custom fileshouldaskforconfirmation

2005-02-18 Thread Luc Teirlinck
I give a summary of my proposal to meet some of the objections leveled against Customize. I personally _only_ have problems with the whole buffer buttons, but I have tried to take other people's objections into account (which I understood to be that that the State button implementation is too unin

Re: Customize buttons that change user's customfileshouldaskforconfirmation

2005-02-18 Thread Luc Teirlinck
Drew Adams wrote: If you do get rid of the buttons, will you also get rid of the equivalent menu-bar menu items? (Meant are the whole buffer buttons, if I understood correctly.) I believe that for consistency, the equivalent menu-bar items, as well as the `C-x C-s' binding in Custom buffer