Re: [POLL] Proposed syntax for timestamps with time zone info (was: [FEATURE REQUEST] Timezone support in org-mode datestamps and org-agenda)

2023-01-31 Thread tomas
On Tue, Jan 31, 2023 at 11:12:00PM +0300, Jean Louis wrote: > * Ihor Radchenko [2023-01-31 16:46]: > > Specifying just @Europe/Berlin is ambiguous around the daylight savings > > transition. > > Sorry, I cannot see practical example why is it ambiguous. Unless > programmer does not take all

Re: [POLL] Proposed syntax for timestamps with time zone info (was: [FEATURE REQUEST] Timezone support in org-mode datestamps and org-agenda)

2023-01-31 Thread Thomas S. Dye
Aloha Jean Louis, Jean Louis writes: * Ihor Radchenko [2023-01-31 16:46]: Specifying just @Europe/Berlin is ambiguous around the daylight savings transition. Sorry, I cannot see practical example why is it ambiguous. Unless programmer does not take all information in account, it is not

Re: [POLL] Proposed syntax for timestamps with time zone info (was: [FEATURE REQUEST] Timezone support in org-mode datestamps and org-agenda)

2023-01-31 Thread Jean Louis
* Ihor Radchenko [2023-01-31 16:46]: > Specifying just @Europe/Berlin is ambiguous around the daylight savings > transition. Sorry, I cannot see practical example why is it ambiguous. Unless programmer does not take all information in account, it is not ambigous. People on this planet agree on

Re: [POLL] Proposed syntax for timestamps with time zone info (was: [FEATURE REQUEST] Timezone support in org-mode datestamps and org-agenda)

2023-01-31 Thread Jean Louis
* Ihor Radchenko [2023-01-31 16:46]: > >>For time ranges, we will only allow a single offset and time zone > >>specifier for both start and end times: > >>[2022-11-12 8:00-9:00+08] > >>If different time zones are necessary to specify the start/end times, > >>users can still

Re: [POLL] Proposed syntax for timestamps with time zone info (was: [FEATURE REQUEST] Timezone support in org-mode datestamps and org-agenda)

2023-01-31 Thread Samuel Wales
amazing amount of work and good choices. i won't object, although previous comments re syntax proliferation and 3rd party and personal code re stand, while acknowledging the replies. i cannot take a close look. just a few tiny nits tht shouldn't realy affect much or quite possibly reflect

Re: [BUG] hang in org-element-cache-map triggered by org-icalendar-export-to-ics

2023-01-31 Thread Ihor Radchenko
Hanno Perrey writes: > I have noticed a problem in =org-element-cache-map= that can be > triggered under specific circumstances through > =org-icalendar-export-to-ics= where the execution of the latter would > simply hang apparently indefinitely. This happens if > > ... > I attach an org file

Re: lesser-than as open paren

2023-01-31 Thread Tim Cross
Andreas Röhler writes: > Hi, > > when taking notes in plain org-mode, run into trouble for instance with this > scala-snippet: > >   def scalaFiles = >     for { >     file <- filesHere >     if file.getName.endsWith(".scala") >   } yield file > > With cursor on lesser-than sign, get a

Re: [POLL] Proposed syntax for timestamps with time zone info (was: [FEATURE REQUEST] Timezone support in org-mode datestamps and org-agenda)

2023-01-31 Thread Tim Cross
Ihor Radchenko writes: > Greg Minshall writes: > >> just a thought/reminder. there are "semantics" and "encoding". a spec >> like ISO-8601 specifies both. the important thing for org-mode is to >> use an encoding that >> >> 1. is easily parsable/understandable by the mere mortal >> >> 2.

[BUG] hang in org-element-cache-map triggered by org-icalendar-export-to-ics

2023-01-31 Thread Hanno Perrey
Dear all, I have noticed a problem in =org-element-cache-map= that can be triggered under specific circumstances through =org-icalendar-export-to-ics= where the execution of the latter would simply hang apparently indefinitely. This happens if - =org-icalendar-store-UID= set to ='t= -

PATCH for worg about cb_thunderlink (Re: Link from orgmode file to E-Mail (using kmail or notmuch))

2023-01-31 Thread Bruno Barbier
Max Nikulin writes: > Bruno, as a cb_thunderbird user, would you like to share your experience > and to expand > > https://orgmode.org/worg/org-faq.html#orgc6f8478 > 10.8. Can I create links to Thunderbirds emails? > > by adding a brief description of this add-on? Hi Max, I've got an initial

Re: [POLL] Proposed syntax for timestamps with time zone info (was: [FEATURE REQUEST] Timezone support in org-mode datestamps and org-agenda)

2023-01-31 Thread Greg Minshall
Ihor, thanks for all the information. > 2022-11-12 12:00 @Asia/Singapore # tzdb syntax aesthetically, allowing a space after the "@" sign might be nice. i don't know what that would do to the parsing/BNF/whatever. cheers, Greg

Re: [POLL] Proposed syntax for timestamps with time zone info

2023-01-31 Thread Fraga, Eric
Hi Ihor, On Tuesday, 31 Jan 2023 at 18:13, Ihor Radchenko wrote: > To clarify, it is not first or second. (1), (2), and (3) are all the > options to be incorporated. It is not a choice. Users just might need > different combinations depending on specific needs. Ahhh, my bad. Okay, works for me

Re: lesser-than as open paren

2023-01-31 Thread Fraga, Eric
On Tuesday, 31 Jan 2023 at 13:26, Andreas Röhler wrote: > when taking notes in plain org-mode, run into trouble for instance with > this scala-snippet: [...] > With cursor on lesser-than sign, get a type-mismatch. This is why I have (modify-syntax-entry ?< ".") (modify-syntax-entry ?> ".")

Re: [POLL] Proposed syntax for timestamps with time zone info

2023-01-31 Thread Ihor Radchenko
"Fraga, Eric" writes: > given a choice, I would vote for the second (using @) but would be happy > with either. My needs are simple, however, so whatever is easiest to > implement would be fine with me. I'm not bothered, for instance, about > the daylight savings transition as I'm usually in

Re: [POLL] Proposed syntax for timestamps with time zone info

2023-01-31 Thread Fraga, Eric
Ihor, given a choice, I would vote for the second (using @) but would be happy with either. My needs are simple, however, so whatever is easiest to implement would be fine with me. I'm not bothered, for instance, about the daylight savings transition as I'm usually in bed... ;-) But I

Re: org-clock idle time in pgtk Emacs

2023-01-31 Thread Julien Cubizolles
Ihor Radchenko writes: > > As Tim pointed out, we cannot guarantee that things working on 'x build > will also work on 'pgtk. Instead of abusing settings for 'x window > system, can you please introduce a new function org-pgtk-idle-seconds > using a new variable org-clock-pgtkidle-program-name,

Re: [POLL] Proposed syntax for timestamps with time zone info (was: [FEATURE REQUEST] Timezone support in org-mode datestamps and org-agenda)

2023-01-31 Thread Jean Louis
* Ihor Radchenko [2023-01-31 14:48]: > I will not follow the standards fully because the available standards > are not designed to be easily understood by humans. Very right, thank you. > 1. https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-sedate-datetime-extended/ >

Re: [POLL] Proposed syntax for timestamps with time zone info (was: [FEATURE REQUEST] Timezone support in org-mode datestamps and org-agenda)

2023-01-31 Thread Ihor Radchenko
[ adding Org ML back to CC ] Daryl Manning writes: > OMG it would be amazing if (simply) going <2023-01-31 10:00 @EST> or when > daylight savings time hits <2023-01-31 10:00 @EDT> worked. > > would be *super* happy with that as a user who spends a lot of time dealing > with other time zones. =]

Re: [FEATURE REQUEST] Timezone support in org-mode datestamps and org-agenda

2023-01-31 Thread Jean Louis
* Max Nikulin [2023-01-31 11:16]: > On 31/01/2023 14:04, Jean Louis wrote: > > I have given facts, and references with the sole intention to help in > > understanding so that Org programmers do not start relying on UTC > > offset alone, as that is not how other programs work. > > From my point

Re: [POLL] Proposed syntax for timestamps with time zone info (was: [FEATURE REQUEST] Timezone support in org-mode datestamps and org-agenda)

2023-01-31 Thread Ihor Radchenko
Daryl Manning writes: > Dense poll. I had a question about this format which is what I assume I'd > be using if using org-mode with this on a day-to-day basis if given the > choice. > (from 2. Timestamp with time zone specifier) > > 2022-11-12 10:00 @EST+5 # TZ syntax > > Normally, when I'm

Re: [POLL] Proposed syntax for timestamps with time zone info (was: [FEATURE REQUEST] Timezone support in org-mode datestamps and org-agenda)

2023-01-31 Thread Ihor Radchenko
Jean Louis writes: >>For time ranges, we will only allow a single offset and time zone >>specifier for both start and end times: >>[2022-11-12 8:00-9:00+08] >>If different time zones are necessary to specify the start/end times, >>users can still use full timestamp range

Re: [BUG] org-manual: Using bookmarklet for org-capture is no longer reliable

2023-01-31 Thread Max Nikulin
On 31/01/2023 15:11, Charles Philip Chan wrote: I have been using this org-protocol addon[1] for more than a year and it has been rock solid for me. According to the author, bookmarklets are getting less and less useful because CSP (Content Security Policy) blocking them on many sites (for

lesser-than as open paren

2023-01-31 Thread Andreas Röhler
Hi, when taking notes in plain org-mode, run into trouble for instance with this scala-snippet:   def scalaFiles =     for {     file <- filesHere     if file.getName.endsWith(".scala")   } yield file With cursor on lesser-than sign, get a type-mismatch. The culprit resides in org.el:  

Re: [POLL] Proposed syntax for timestamps with time zone info (was: [FEATURE REQUEST] Timezone support in org-mode datestamps and org-agenda)

2023-01-31 Thread Daryl Manning
Dense poll. I had a question about this format which is what I assume I'd be using if using org-mode with this on a day-to-day basis if given the choice. (from 2. Timestamp with time zone specifier) 2022-11-12 10:00 @EST+5 # TZ syntax Normally, when I'm communicating things like standard and

[POLL] Proposed syntax for timestamps with time zone info (was: [FEATURE REQUEST] Timezone support in org-mode datestamps and org-agenda)

2023-01-31 Thread Ihor Radchenko
Greg Minshall writes: > just a thought/reminder. there are "semantics" and "encoding". a spec > like ISO-8601 specifies both. the important thing for org-mode is to > use an encoding that > > 1. is easily parsable/understandable by the mere mortal > > 2. allows expression of all the semantics

Emacs29: sqllite support for orgroam on Windows?

2023-01-31 Thread c . buhtz
Making OrgRoam usable on Windows is quit hard because of the SQLlite component. I don't want to go into details. It is possible but not easy. I read about Emacs 29 and its in build sqlite support. https://blog.phundrak.com/emacs-29-what-can-we-expect/#native-access-to-sqlite-databases In that

Re: [BUG] Emacs-29.0.60: (setopt org-babel-load-languages ...) may cause warnings

2023-01-31 Thread Ihor Radchenko
gerard.vermeu...@posteo.net writes: > The attached patch synchronizes the =defcustom= with the rest of the > code base, groups languages by org-babel file, and uses camel-case to > spell languages (the new fashion). Thanks! May you please convert the diff into a patch with changelog entry and

Re: org-crypt fails if default key is expired while non-default key is to be used

2023-01-31 Thread Ihor Radchenko
Karl Voit writes: >> Ok. What about >> >> (let ((context (epg-make-context nil t t))) >> (epg-decrypt-string context (epg-encrypt-string context "test" >> (epg-list-keys context org-crypt-key >> > > It asks me for the passphrase of the orgmode key (the correct one) > and prints out

Re: [FEATURE REQUEST] Timezone support in org-mode datestamps and org-agenda

2023-01-31 Thread Max Nikulin
On 31/01/2023 14:04, Jean Louis wrote: I have given facts, and references with the sole intention to help in understanding so that Org programmers do not start relying on UTC offset alone, as that is not how other programs work. From my point of view at the beginning you were promoting that

Re: [BUG] org-manual: Using bookmarklet for org-capture is no longer reliable

2023-01-31 Thread Charles Philip Chan
> "Ihor" == Ihor Radchenko writes: Hi Ihor, Ihor> This is bad news. Ihor> 17.16.2 The ‘capture’ protocol section of Org manual recommends Ihor> To use this feature, add a bookmark with an arbitrary name, e.g., Ihor> ‘Org: capture’, and enter this as ‘Location’: