Re: [O] BeOrg

2018-01-04 Thread edgar
I am going to keep the thread just in case I ever need it. It's great! I have refrained myself from expressing my humble opinion for fear of a flame war, but... "What's the point of a software which doesn't exist?" you say. "What is the point of chaining people?" I would say. Cheers! --

Re: [O] BeOrg

2018-01-03 Thread Adonay Felipe Nogueira
+1 2018-01-03T00:00:01-0500 Scott Randby wrote: > Emacs for Windows is still free software with source code and > everything. BeOrg is not free software. > > Scott Randby

Re: [O] BeOrg

2018-01-03 Thread Adonay Felipe Nogueira
Morever, considering the availability only in Apple's App Store, how will users exercise freedom 1, which also includes the freedom to reuse the adaptation in the same environment/device? This "retake' of freedom 0 in freedom 1 is also mentioned in [1]. Currently: - BeOrg doesn't seem to be "open

Re: [O] BeOrg

2018-01-03 Thread Tim Cross
Bottom line is that referencing this software in the org manual would contravene the GNU guidelines and underlying philosophy of the GPL. While you will find references to non-GPL software/platforms, these are not references which promote non-free solutions, but references in support of adopting f

Re: [O] BeOrg

2018-01-02 Thread Scott Randby
On 01/02/2018 09:43 PM, Ilya Shlyakhter wrote: > "as a GNU package, we're not allowed to mention proprietary software" > -- how is that consistent with GNU prominently distributing Emacs for > Windows from its own website? I think this shows that the guideline > is not absolute. And it's specif

Re: [O] BeOrg

2018-01-02 Thread Ilya Shlyakhter
"as a GNU package, we're not allowed to mention proprietary software" -- how is that consistent with GNU prominently distributing Emacs for Windows from its own website? I think this shows that the guideline is not absolute. And it's specifically phrased as a guideline ("should"), not as a requir

Re: [O] BeOrg

2018-01-02 Thread Ian Dunn
> "Peter" == Peter Davis writes: Peter> If we refuse to provide useful information just because it Peter> violates some purist idea of what is or is not acceptably Peter> unencumbered, then we’re just denying users potential helpful Peter> capabilities that may make the differ

Re: [O] BeOrg

2018-01-02 Thread Thomas S. Dye
Aloha all Peter Davis writes: On Tue, Jan 2, 2018, at 3:43 PM, Nicolas Goaziou wrote: I think you are missing the point. Free software is primarily about source code (the four definitions). If we refuse to provide useful information just because it violates some purist idea of what is or

Re: [O] BeOrg

2018-01-02 Thread Peter Davis
On Tue, Jan 2, 2018, at 3:43 PM, Nicolas Goaziou wrote: > > I think you are missing the point. Free software is primarily about > source code (the four definitions). I’m not well versed in the theories and arguments for or against free or open source software. However, based on my 40 years of exp

Re: [O] BeOrg

2018-01-02 Thread Nicolas Goaziou
Ilya Shlyakhter writes: >>as GNU software, we should not suggest to use non-free software > > But, clearly, we already do: suggesting to use MobileOrg necessarily > suggests to use iOS. > > Besides, some of the main critiques of non-free software do not apply > here: e.g. beorg doesn't lock the u

Re: [O] BeOrg

2018-01-02 Thread Ilya Shlyakhter
>as GNU software, we should not suggest to use non-free software But, clearly, we already do: suggesting to use MobileOrg necessarily suggests to use iOS. Besides, some of the main critiques of non-free software do not apply here: e.g. beorg doesn't lock the user into some proprietary format. And

Re: [O] BeOrg

2018-01-02 Thread Nicolas Goaziou
Hello, ilya shlyakhter writes: > Neither is iOS or MATLAB, and yet the Org manual mentions both. We have good reasons for that. The former is because MobileOrg, which uses "org-mobile.el", provided by Org, and therefore, documented. The latter is because "ob-matab.el", which is free software.

Re: [O] BeOrg

2018-01-02 Thread ilya shlyakhter
>This may be because the app is not open source? Neither is iOS or MATLAB, and yet the Org manual mentions both. On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 12:39 PM, Eric S Fraga wrote: > On Tuesday, 2 Jan 2018 at 12:32, Ilya Shlyakhter wrote: >> The org features page at https://orgmode.org/features.html, and the

Re: [O] BeOrg

2018-01-02 Thread Eric S Fraga
On Tuesday, 2 Jan 2018 at 12:32, Ilya Shlyakhter wrote: > The org features page at https://orgmode.org/features.html, and the > Org manual, mention MobileOrg, but not the newer BeOrg app > ( http://beorgapp.com/ ). Maybe add a reference to it? This may be because the app is not open source? --

[O] BeOrg

2018-01-02 Thread Ilya Shlyakhter
The org features page at https://orgmode.org/features.html, and the Org manual, mention MobileOrg, but not the newer BeOrg app ( http://beorgapp.com/ ). Maybe add a reference to it?