Thanks all for this great discussion.
I close this thread now: there is a nice consensus on not taking the
direction of an "expert mode", and that notion was ill-defined anyway.
Reading all this feedback, I feel confident that the community will be
vigilant and tell me if any new feature somehow
On Thu, 10 Mar 2011 11:46:16 -0700
Samuel Wales wrote:
> I agree with the comments on complexity and inapplicability. IMO it
> would be better to arrange existing menus and documentation to
> emphasize basics.
I think this might be a more productive proposal than having an
expert-mode. Also in
themselves they are, they must be! Many of them will have trouble
>> admitting they're an expert in org-mode; they won't tick the
>> box. They'll miss features they would otherwise try.
>>
>> Org-mode is the best invention since sliced bread and if not, GN
On 3/10/11 2:12 PM, Rustom Mody wrote:
But I wonder if there are really too many experts as against users
whose patterns of usage are expert in one area and noob in others.
+1.
I've been using a fair number of (what I think of as) Org power tools,
including Org-Babel, the Properties API, cus
is the best invention since sliced bread and if not, GNU
> Emacs is, keep up the good work!
>
> many regards,
>
> Joost Helberg
>
>>>>>> "Bastien" == Bastien writes:
> > Subject: [O] Org expert mode?
> > From: Bastien
> >
ve trouble
admitting they're an expert in org-mode; they won't tick the
box. They'll miss features they would otherwise try.
Org-mode is the best invention since sliced bread and if not, GNU
Emacs is, keep up the good work!
many regards,
Joost Helberg
>>>>> "B
Bastien writes:
> Hi all,
>
> Org tries to stay as simple/accessible as possible for newbie and as
> complete/flexible as possible for power users.
>
> The documentation and the UI are central for this: the documentation
> should promote core features, document complex ones, and give pointers
> o
I agree with the comments on complexity and inapplicability. IMO it
would be better to arrange existing menus and documentation to
emphasize basics.
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On 03/10/2011 05:05 AM, Bastien wrote:
> So I naturally thought of something like an "Org Expert mode": when
> turned off, the UI would *not* give access to complex features and
> perhaps display more helpful messages on simple ones; when turned on,
> Org would have a less verbose UI (think of the
On Thu, Mar 10 2011, Bastien wrote:
> I'm myself not convinced: it's a good thing that Org doesn't need an
> Expert mode so far, it means newbies are not confused by the UI, and
> experts are not frustrated by it either. But I expect neat features
> can emerge from the discussion.
I agree that
On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 6:38 AM, Greg Troxel wrote:
>
> Bastien writes:
>
>> Bastien writes:
>>
>>> So I naturally thought of something like an "Org Expert mode": when
>>> turned off, the UI would *not* give access to complex features
>>
>> More precisely: the UI would not _display_ complex feat
So maybe different custom functions that are developed to allow people to
use ORG in different ways. Some with more help for basic features, some for
GTD, some for publishing, some for advanced features or programming. All
of the features would always be available but maybe the suggest order for
On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 2:12 PM, Rustom Mody wrote:
> Bastien wrote:
>> I've just added the ability to run a custom function for bulk agenda actions
>> (thanks to Puneeth for the patch!) This is clearly for
>> power users -- or those who are willing to take the time to find functions
>> that we
Bastien wrote:
> I've just added the ability to run a custom function for bulk agenda actions
> (thanks to Puneeth for the patch!) This is clearly for
> power users -- or those who are willing to take the time to find functions
> that we might document in Worg.
> So I naturally thought of somet
Bastien writes:
> Bastien writes:
>
>> So I naturally thought of something like an "Org Expert mode": when
>> turned off, the UI would *not* give access to complex features
>
> More precisely: the UI would not _display_ complex features, which will
> still be available anyway (of course).
I st
On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 11:11 AM, Bastien wrote:
> Bastien writes:
>
>> So I naturally thought of something like an "Org Expert mode": when
>> turned off, the UI would *not* give access to complex features
>
> More precisely: the UI would not _display_ complex features, which will
> still be avai
I wonder about the complexity associated with adding an expert mode.
My area is design, and one of my pet peeves about all things designed is how
they tend to increase in complexity for the sake of extending their scope,
without much attention being paid to the brittleness that accumulates
collater
Bastien writes:
> So I naturally thought of something like an "Org Expert mode": when
> turned off, the UI would *not* give access to complex features
More precisely: the UI would not _display_ complex features, which will
still be available anyway (of course).
--
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Hi all,
Org tries to stay as simple/accessible as possible for newbie and as
complete/flexible as possible for power users.
The documentation and the UI are central for this: the documentation
should promote core features, document complex ones, and give pointers
on how to hack Org -- it does tha
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