Achim Gratz strom...@nexgo.de writes:
Sebastien Vauban writes:
What I once heard from ergonomical studies is that black on white
was better than white on black. Though, is it based on real grounds?
All these studies dependend on which CRT was used (most of which
produced blurry pictures for
On 22.4.2013, at 19:11, Bastien b...@gnu.org wrote:
Eric S Fraga e.fr...@ucl.ac.uk writes:
And I've not only given up trying to convert anybody to Emacs, I have
also given up trying to explain why a dark background with light text is
much better on the eyes. Too much inertia and bad
Bastien b...@gnu.org writes:
Eric S Fraga e.fr...@ucl.ac.uk writes:
And I've not only given up trying to convert anybody to Emacs, I have
also given up trying to explain why a dark background with light text is
much better on the eyes. Too much inertia and bad practices out there
Accessibility standards cover this area pretty thoroughly.
http://governor.state.tx.us/disabilities/accessibledocs/ has some
information that might be bent to emacs-orgmode's purposes.
On Tue, 23 Apr 2013, Eric S Fraga wrote:
Bastien b...@gnu.org writes:
Eric S Fraga e.fr...@ucl.ac.uk
Jude DaShiell jdash...@shellworld.net writes:
Accessibility standards cover this area pretty thoroughly.
http://governor.state.tx.us/disabilities/accessibledocs/ has some
information that might be bent to emacs-orgmode's purposes.
Thanks. Very useful resource. I've passed this on to my
Torsten Wagner torsten.wag...@gmail.com writes:
Hi,
If I show org-mode to someone and if he/she points out the ugly graphic I
stop at that point.
As I use a light text on dark background, I stop when they ask if there
is something wrong with my monitor because the background is
black...
I might have converted someone this weekend.
I had been babbling about Emacs, lisp, and the early 1980s to him for some
time.
I told him that Emacs was a 37 year old tree, that it had carefully tended for
all that time by a community of folks that really cared about doing things the
right
Eric S Fraga e.fr...@ucl.ac.uk writes:
And I've not only given up trying to convert anybody to Emacs, I have
also given up trying to explain why a dark background with light text is
much better on the eyes. Too much inertia and bad practices out there
unfortunately.
On this slightly
Bastien wrote:
Eric S Fraga e.fr...@ucl.ac.uk writes:
And I've not only given up trying to convert anybody to Emacs, I have
also given up trying to explain why a dark background with light text is
much better on the eyes. Too much inertia and bad practices out there
unfortunately.
On this
On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 2:35 PM, Sebastien Vauban
wxhgmqzgw...@spammotel.com wrote:
Bastien wrote:
Eric S Fraga e.fr...@ucl.ac.uk writes:
And I've not only given up trying to convert anybody to Emacs, I have
also given up trying to explain why a dark background with light text is
much better
On 4/22/13, Bastien b...@gnu.org wrote:
I use xcalib (http://xcalib.sourceforge.net/) to quickly switch
from light-on-dark (most often) to dark-on-light (from time to
time) and I recommend it.
Interesting. How did you use it to do that? I had assumed that
colors could not be inverted
Sebastien Vauban writes:
What I once heard from ergonomical studies is that black on white
was better than white on black. Though, is it based on real grounds?
All these studies dependend on which CRT was used (most of which
produced blurry pictures for dark-on-light content) and are mostly
* Suvayu Ali fatkasuvayu+li...@gmail.com wrote:
Personally I think, any attempts at conversion is futile.
I agree only for cases, where the person does not have issues with
the current editor/workflow.
Just like real religion, choosing an editor is an immensely
personal decision if editing
* 42 147 aeus...@gmail.com wrote:
Hello mailing list,
Hi!
The question is the title: have you been able to convert many people to
Emacs / org-mode?
I am not quite sure how many people actually switched to
Emacs/Org-mode. However, I have seen many open mouths by showing
simply the basic
Last fall I wrote a very simple elnode based web server which allows for
Org-mode files to be viewed and edited through a web browser.
http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode/58773/focus=61752
It seems relevant to this discussion. I haven't touched the code in
some time, so it may need to
My comment is off topic here, but couldn't help it ...
On Tue, Apr 09, 2013 at 07:59:08PM -0400, 42 147 wrote:
It was very interesting psychologically to remind oneself of this state of
mind. To most people a program is a shortcut icon on the desktop, not a
bunch of disparate files that
=shubertticketing@gnu.org] On Behalf Of
John Hendy
Sent: Tuesday, 2013 April 09 18:27
To: 42 147
Cc: emacs-orgmode
Subject: Re: [O] converting people to Emacs and org-mode
On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 3:10 AM, 42 147 aeus...@gmail.com wrote:
Hello mailing list,
This might be considered off-topic
Hi,
42 147 aeus...@gmail.com writes:
However, on the issue of tutorials, I did save my entire IM logs. It might
be an interesting presentation technique -- to read a real, natural
step-by-step working through of Emacs with someone completely computer
illiterate.
I would love to read
Hello mailing list,
This might be considered off-topic.
The question is the title: have you been able to convert many people to
Emacs / org-mode? Are converts all programmers, or those versed in
programming? -- Or have you converted non-programmers, e.g., anyone who
edits text for a living?
On Tue, Apr 09, 2013 at 04:10:07AM -0400, 42 147 wrote:
Anyway, apologies if this seems to clutter the already highly active
mailing list. But I do think questions of proselytization (because we
/are/ talking religion here) is important.
I would say Org-mode users form the moderate demography
Suvayu Ali fatkasuvayu+li...@gmail.com writes:
On Tue, Apr 09, 2013 at 04:10:07AM -0400, 42 147 wrote:
Anyway, apologies if this seems to clutter the already highly active
mailing list. But I do think questions of proselytization (because we
/are/ talking religion here) is important.
I
42 147 aeus...@gmail.com writes:
This might be considered off-topic.
Maybe not? I know of a fantastic Lisp dialect and
web/database programming-environment out there
,
| PicoLisp
| http://picolisp.com/5000/!wiki?home
`
On 9 apr. 2013, at 10:10, 42 147 aeus...@gmail.com wrote:
Hello mailing list,
This might be considered off-topic.
The question is the title: have you been able to convert many people to
Emacs / org-mode? Are converts all programmers, or those versed in
programming? -- Or have you
On 9 apr. 2013, at 10:46, Thorsten Jolitz tjol...@gmail.com wrote:
42 147 aeus...@gmail.com writes:
This might be considered off-topic.
Maybe not? I know of a fantastic Lisp dialect and
web/database programming-environment out there
,
| PicoLisp
Hi John,
interesting topic.
My take on this is that *individual* attempts can be deceptive
(for reasons that Suvayu raised), but *collective* attempts are
always somehow successful.
By individual attempts I mean face-to-face demos and preaching,
which can help some Emacs users discover how they
My experience has been that after watching me manage a project in Org
for a few weeks, I have customers beg me to help them install it on
their PC. I've had quite a few converts through working together and
by example.
My $0.02.
Thanks.
I'm interested in the article too. Maybe you can arrange something
with the editors if even the creator of org-mode is interested in the
article?
On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 10:51 AM, Carsten Dominik
carsten.domi...@gmail.com wrote:
On 9 apr. 2013, at 10:46, Thorsten Jolitz tjol...@gmail.com wrote:
Moritz Ulrich mor...@tarn-vedra.de writes:
I'm interested in the article too. Maybe you can arrange something
with the editors if even the creator of org-mode is interested in the
article?
I already sent the pdf version of the magazine in a PM to the creator of
Org-mode so he can decide if
Hi,
If I show org-mode to someone and if he/she points out the ugly graphic I
stop at that point.
If the reaction is more like Hey how did you do that? I might have a
potential candidate.
Thus, for me it comes down to two groups the once who need a
graphical pleasant system which hides away all
Hi Thorsten,
Thorsten Jolitz tjol...@gmail.com writes:
I already asked the editors - legally it would be possible to republish
on Worg. I'll ask them again if its allowed to cut the fully formated
article from the magazine-pdf and upload this 4 page pdf on Worg.
Better to add it somewhere
Russell Adams rlad...@adamsinfoserv.com writes:
My experience has been that after watching me manage a project in Org
for a few weeks, I have customers beg me to help them install it on
their PC. I've had quite a few converts through working together and
by example.
Perhaps the web
42 147 dijo [Tue, Apr 09, 2013 at 04:10:07AM -0400]:
Hello mailing list,
This might be considered off-topic.
The question is the title: have you been able to convert many people to
Emacs / org-mode? Are converts all programmers, or those versed in
programming? -- Or have you converted
Eric Abrahamsen writes:
Russell Adams rlad...@adamsinfoserv.com writes:
My experience has been that after watching me manage a project in Org
for a few weeks, I have customers beg me to help them install it on
their PC. I've had quite a few converts through working together and
by example.
Hi Christopher,
Christopher Allan Webber wrote:
Eric Abrahamsen writes:
Russell Adams rlad...@adamsinfoserv.com writes:
My experience has been that after watching me manage a project in Org
for a few weeks, I have customers beg me to help them install it on
their PC. I've had quite a few
Subject: Re: [O] converting people to Emacs and org-mode
[snip]
Perhaps the web incarnations of org could help here too.
I plan to bring attention to Emacs by publishing a wiki on our intranet.
ikiwiki[1] is a simple perl based wiki compiler. You maintain a tree of text
documents in VCS
Please let me know if you have any problems with the ikiwiki plugin or any
feature requests. I haven't been too active with it lately, but I'm still
around. :)
Cheers,
Chris
On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 11:33 AM, Loyall, David david.loy...@nebraska.govwrote:
Subject: Re: [O] converting people
Dnia 2013-04-09, o godz. 04:10:07
42 147 aeus...@gmail.com napisał(a):
Hello mailing list,
This might be considered off-topic.
The question is the title: have you been able to convert many people
to Emacs / org-mode? Are converts all programmers, or those versed in
programming? -- Or
Dnia 2013-04-09, o godz. 09:42:20
Gunnar Wolf gw...@gwolf.org napisał(a):
I won't talk about the people I have (not yet) converted, but about
the person who converted me: I am a long-time Emacs user (got
initiated back in 1983, being 6 or 7 years old, at the university
where my father worked,
On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 3:10 AM, 42 147 aeus...@gmail.com wrote:
Hello mailing list,
This might be considered off-topic.
The question is the title: have you been able to convert many people to
Emacs / org-mode? Are converts all programmers, or those versed in
programming? -- Or have you
Not when they're your employees!
Only half joking,
+1 for the serious half. Totalitarianism is underrated.
this confirms that different people have wildly different usage patterns
That is absolutely true. I didn't care about org-mode until a friend showed
me his Shakespeare.org file. I
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