Re: oc-biblatex too aggressive in replacing styles

2021-11-28 Thread Rasmus
"Bruce D'Arcus" writes: > On Sun, Nov 28, 2021 at 12:19 PM Bruce D'Arcus wrote: >> >> On Sun, Nov 28, 2021, 12:04 PM Rasmus wrote: >> > >>> However, I think it is currently too aggressive in overwriting styles. >>> >>> Could it perhaps accept any style that is given in >>>

Re: smart quotes and languages like en-gb

2021-11-28 Thread Nicolas Goaziou
Hello, Rasmus writes: > I have noticed that smart quotes are not picked up for “long” languages, > like “en-gb”, since smart quotes are defined for “short” languages, like > “en”, in org-export-smart-quotes-alist. > > The attached patch is an attempt at remedying this. Not sure if it is the >

Is M-j broken for you in Org on Emacs 27 and 28?

2021-11-28 Thread Richard Lawrence
Hi Org community, Some questions for those of you on Emacs 27 and 28: Does M-j in an org-mode buffer do what you expect? Does it throw an error? What function is M-j bound to in Org? Backstory: I have long been on Emacs 26.3 (in Debian stable) but recently decided to try a newer Emacs from GNU

org-agenda-filter-by-tag doco

2021-11-28 Thread Phil Hudson
I'd like to expand the docstring of command `org-agenda-filter-by-tag` to document the Elisp equivalent of interactive prefix arguments. By trial and error and guesswork I determined that I could emulate `C-u C-u` by passing `'(16)` as the second argument (`strip-or-accumulate`). I'd like to add

Re: [BUG] org-element--cache: unregistered buffer modifications warning when using org-toggle-heading and org-toggle-item on lines beginning with capital letters [9.6 (9.6-??-d4e1925 @ /home/pete/.ema

2021-11-28 Thread Ihor Radchenko
Peter Williams writes: > This is my first time sending mail to the list so let me know if I > breach any convention. > ... > # Cause the Warning > S R Ξ A S2 X こ T 漢字 Д Ԋ ಱ Ѷ > # No Problems (= R= is single use) > 힡 ℤ / s S R nA 漢字 2S _W /W s こ 2 @ _ Welcome and thank you very much for the

Re: Is M-j broken for you in Org on Emacs 27 and 28?

2021-11-28 Thread Greg Minshall
Richard, i also see an error message when entering M-j running: : emacs -Q foo.org cheers, Greg Org mode version 9.5 (9.5-gced2b3 @ /home/minshall/.emacs.d/straight/build/org/) GNU Emacs 27.2 (build 1, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.24.27, cairo version 1.17.4) of 2021-03-26

Re: oc-biblatex too aggressive in replacing styles

2021-11-28 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Sun, Nov 28, 2021 at 12:19 PM Bruce D'Arcus wrote: > > On Sun, Nov 28, 2021, 12:04 PM Rasmus wrote: > >> However, I think it is currently too aggressive in overwriting styles. >> >> Could it perhaps accept any style that is given in >> ‘org-cite-biblatex-options’ / ‘org-latex-packages-alist’

Re: Is M-j broken for you in Org on Emacs 27 and 28?

2021-11-28 Thread Colin Baxter 
> Richard Lawrence writes: > Hi Org community, Some questions for those of you on Emacs 27 and > 28: > Does M-j in an org-mode buffer do what you expect? Does it throw > an error? What function is M-j bound to in Org? > Backstory: > I have long been on Emacs 26.3

Re: Unintended consequences of removing org-speed-commands-user

2021-11-28 Thread dal-blazej
Hi, If you want to insert a new element in the list after a particular element, you could do : #+begin_src emacs-lisp (let ((bk (cdr (member '("Agenda Views etc") org-speed-commands (setf (cdr (member '("Agenda Views etc") org-speed-commands)) (cons '("@" .

oc-biblatex too aggressive in replacing styles

2021-11-28 Thread Rasmus
Hi, Thanks for providing ox-biblatex. It works very well and has replaced my local hacks for LaTeX bibliographies. However, I think it is currently too aggressive in overwriting styles. Could it perhaps accept any style that is given in ‘org-cite-biblatex-options’ / ‘org-latex-packages-alist’

Re: oc-biblatex too aggressive in replacing styles

2021-11-28 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Sun, Nov 28, 2021, 12:04 PM Rasmus wrote: However, I think it is currently too aggressive in overwriting styles. > > Could it perhaps accept any style that is given in > ‘org-cite-biblatex-options’ / ‘org-latex-packages-alist’ and only > overwrite it if another style is explicitly specified

smart quotes and languages like en-gb

2021-11-28 Thread Rasmus
Hi, I have noticed that smart quotes are not picked up for “long” languages, like “en-gb”, since smart quotes are defined for “short” languages, like “en”, in org-export-smart-quotes-alist. The attached patch is an attempt at remedying this. Not sure if it is the best fix, though... Test file:

[oc-csl] org-cite-csl-styles-dir and default-directory

2021-11-28 Thread Rasmus
Hi there, Congrats on oc.el! I have had a chance to try it a bit and it is really nice to work with! One frustration with oc-csl.el is that is does not like relative dirs, which I guess is fine overall as one would probably store styles centrally, somewhere, similarly to LaTeX. However, one

Re: [oc-csl] org-cite-csl-styles-dir and default-directory

2021-11-28 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Sun, Nov 28, 2021, 11:25 AM Rasmus wrote: > One frustration with oc-csl.el is that is does not like relative dirs, > which I guess is fine overall as one would probably store styles > centrally, somewhere, similarly to LaTeX. > > However, one niece that would seem useful is to simply dump

[BUG] org-element--cache: unregistered buffer modifications warning when using org-toggle-heading and org-toggle-item on lines beginning with capital letters [9.6 (9.6-??-d4e1925 @ /home/pete/.emacs.d

2021-11-28 Thread Peter Williams
This is my first time sending mail to the list so let me know if I breach any convention. I seem to be one of many people who have been having issues with org-element--cache recently. I have been getting the messages quite regularly in many different cases, but I finally pinpointed one of the

[patch] fix ox-latex async export bug

2021-11-28 Thread Rasmus
Hi there, When I try to export documents asynchronously with ox-latex, I always get a bug in the “org-export-processFOO” files. The last sexp is always something like this: (funcall '# "test.tex") where the “#” and “’” are mixed around. This happens even with a very simple

oc-biblatex and biblatex substyles

2021-11-28 Thread Rasmus
Hi, I wonder if oc-biblatex should support loading biblatex-derived libraries, e.g. biblatex-chicago? There’s a quite a few of these libraries: $ tlmgr search --global "biblatex-" | wc -l 66 (This is somewhat overestimating the true number of “biblatex-*” packages). These libraries

Re: oc-biblatex too aggressive in replacing styles

2021-11-28 Thread Nicolas Goaziou
Hello, Rasmus writes: > However, I think it is currently too aggressive in overwriting styles. Ah? > Could it perhaps accept any style that is given in > ‘org-cite-biblatex-options’ / ‘org-latex-packages-alist’ and only > overwrite it if another style is explicitly specified in the file to be

Re-installing org-mode packages due to annoying message

2021-11-28 Thread Alan E. Davis
I have just spent an hour trying to figure out what's going on with ELPA, GNU ELPA, NONGNU ELPA packages. I am lost. A plethora of methods exist for installing org-mode and other packages; it is unnecessary to list them, even if I could. I've been using Emacs and Org-mode for many years. I am

Re: Is M-j broken for you in Org on Emacs 27 and 28?

2021-11-28 Thread Richard Lawrence
Colin Baxter  writes: > I confirm that it also appears broken to me in emacs-27.2, with the same > error as you found. I have never noticed it before, possibly because I > use C-j rather than M-j. Thanks for confirming. Do you know what the difference between C-j and M-j is "supposed" to be?

[org-cite] autoload oc processors?

2021-11-28 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
Is there any reason not to autoload the processors? Bruce

Re: [org-cite] autoload oc processors?

2021-11-28 Thread Nicolas Goaziou
Hello, "Bruce D'Arcus" writes: > Is there any reason not to autoload the processors? I am not sure about what you mean. Could you elaborate? Regards, -- Nicolas Goaziou

Re: Is M-j broken for you in Org on Emacs 27 and 28?

2021-11-28 Thread Tim Cross
Richard Lawrence writes: > Colin Baxter  writes: > >> I confirm that it also appears broken to me in emacs-27.2, with the same >> error as you found. I have never noticed it before, possibly because I >> use C-j rather than M-j. > > Thanks for confirming. Do you know what the difference

Re: "Orgdown", the new name for the syntax of Org-mode

2021-11-28 Thread George Mauer
Agree with Joost. If I remember correctly, the "down" part of markdown was meant as a play on words to indicate that, unlike a proper markup language, markdown has a direction and a value system but no defined standard. Since org is definitely not that why must the waters? Just go for clarity. On

Re: "Orgdown", the new name for the syntax of Org-mode

2021-11-28 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Sun, Nov 28, 2021 at 4:34 PM Jean-Christophe Helary wrote: > > Considering the total incompatibility between markdown and org-mode it does > not seem to me that ’orgdown’ is a useful name. It will only confuse people > and generate useless comments and counter-comments wherever org-mode

Re: "Orgdown", the new name for the syntax of Org-mode

2021-11-28 Thread Jean-Christophe Helary
> On Nov 29, 2021, at 7:57, Tom Gillespie wrote: > > PS Another brainstormed name: Orgsyn? Org Agnostic Syntax Modules → OrgASM -- Jean-Christophe Helary @brandelune https://mac4translators.blogspot.com https://sr.ht/~brandelune/omegat-as-a-book/

Re: "Orgdown", the new name for the syntax of Org-mode

2021-11-28 Thread Michael Ashton
> On Nov 28, 2021, at 6:22 PM, Jim Porter wrote: > > On 11/28/2021 11:46 AM, Karl Voit wrote: >> At this year's EmascsConf, I had a 12 minute video where I explain why >> we do need a different name for the syntax of Org-mode in contrast to >> the Elisp implementation of GNU/Emacs Org-mode. >>

Re: [patch] fix ox-latex async export bug

2021-11-28 Thread Tim Cross
Nicolas Goaziou writes: > Hello, > > Rasmus writes: > >> When I try to export documents asynchronously with ox-latex, I always get >> a bug in the “org-export-processFOO” files. The last sexp is always >> something like this: >> >> (funcall '# >> "test.tex") >> >> where the “#” and “’”

"Orgdown", the new name for the syntax of Org-mode

2021-11-28 Thread Karl Voit
Hi Org-mode community, At this year's EmascsConf, I had a 12 minute video where I explain why we do need a different name for the syntax of Org-mode in contrast to the Elisp implementation of GNU/Emacs Org-mode. I would like you to read my rationale and motivate you to use the term "Orgdown" for

Re: Timestamps

2021-11-28 Thread Nicolas Goaziou
Hello, David Masterson writes: > Has the format for timestamps covering (say) a few hours changed? The > following is still possible with "C-c .", but (I think) it is not > documented in the Org-Mode manual: > > <2021-11-27 Sat 10:30-12:30> > > This seems to be the new standard: >

Re: Re-installing org-mode packages due to annoying message

2021-11-28 Thread Tim Cross
"Alan E. Davis" writes: > I have just spent an hour trying to figure out what's going on with ELPA, GNU > ELPA, NONGNU ELPA packages. I am lost. > > A plethora of methods exist for installing org-mode and other packages; it is > unnecessary to list them, even if I could. > > I've been using

Re: "Orgdown", the new name for the syntax of Org-mode

2021-11-28 Thread Tom Gillespie
> I believe (IMHO) that it does not make much sense to separately name the > Org Mode syntax (as a markup language). That would only generate > confusion among users. This is unfortunately not the case. Conflating Org mode which is an Emacs major mode with Org syntax is a major communication

Re: [PATCH] Fix regex for determining image width from attribute

2021-11-28 Thread Matt Huszagh
Max Nikulin writes: > I am confused. I can not figure out how to create the following as HTML > export result: > > > > Attempt to add quotes leads to and does not prevent ":width" to > become another attribute. > >#+attr_html: :alt An image without :width 600 attribute >

Re: "Orgdown", the new name for the syntax of Org-mode

2021-11-28 Thread Juan Manuel Macías
Hi, I believe (IMHO) that it does not make much sense to separately name the Org Mode syntax (as a markup language). That would only generate confusion among users. Furthermore, 'Org Mode', as a whole, is already a sufficiently recognized and popular name, even outside the GNU Emacs community. A

Re: [patch] fix ox-latex async export bug

2021-11-28 Thread Nicolas Goaziou
Hello, Rasmus writes: > When I try to export documents asynchronously with ox-latex, I always get > a bug in the “org-export-processFOO” files. The last sexp is always something > like this: > > (funcall '# > "test.tex") > > where the “#” and “’” are mixed around. This happens even with

Re: "Orgdown", the new name for the syntax of Org-mode

2021-11-28 Thread Jean-Christophe Helary
Considering the total incompatibility between markdown and org-mode it does not seem to me that ’orgdown’ is a useful name. It will only confuse people and generate useless comments and counter-comments wherever org-mode syntax is mentioned. Org-mode and its syntax bring users functions that

Re: "Orgdown", the new name for the syntax of Org-mode

2021-11-28 Thread Tom Gillespie
I had jokingly suggested "orgup" to have a more positive feeling (up instead of down) than markdown. I'm not sure orgdown will be any more confusing than some other name. It could imply a version of the org syntax that uses markdown surface syntax, but it seems that that would probably be called

Re: "Orgdown", the new name for the syntax of Org-mode

2021-11-28 Thread Tim Cross
Karl Voit writes: > Hi Org-mode community, > > At this year's EmascsConf, I had a 12 minute video where I explain why > we do need a different name for the syntax of Org-mode in contrast to > the Elisp implementation of GNU/Emacs Org-mode. > > I would like you to read my rationale and motivate

Re: "Orgdown", the new name for the syntax of Org-mode

2021-11-28 Thread Joost Kremers
On Sun, Nov 28 2021, Tom Gillespie wrote: > PS Another brainstormed name: Orgsyn? Why not just use the term "Org markup"? It's descriptive and should be understandable to people familiar with the concept of markup languages. -- Joost Kremers Life has its moments

Re: "Orgdown", the new name for the syntax of Org-mode

2021-11-28 Thread Jim Porter
On 11/28/2021 11:46 AM, Karl Voit wrote: At this year's EmascsConf, I had a 12 minute video where I explain why we do need a different name for the syntax of Org-mode in contrast to the Elisp implementation of GNU/Emacs Org-mode. I would like you to read my rationale and motivate you to use the

Re: org-tag-persistent-alist AND per-file dynamic tags

2021-11-28 Thread chris
On Saturday, 6 November 2021 10:10:55 CET Victor A. Stoichita wrote: > Greetings to all, > > Reading the manual about setting glopal/per-file tags [1], I wonder if > it is possible to use org-tag-persistent-alist AND per-file > dynamic tags. I use footnote 53 from

Re: "Orgdown", the new name for the syntax of Org-mode

2021-11-28 Thread Marcin Borkowski
On 2021-11-28, at 23:25, Juan Manuel Macías wrote: > Hi, > > [...] For example: there is TeX (the typographic engine) and TeX > (the programming language for that engine). And there has never been any > conflict. Quite the contrary. The amount of confusion between TeX (engine)/TeX

Re: "Orgdown", the new name for the syntax of Org-mode

2021-11-28 Thread Devin Prater
Or OrgMark. Simple, please no levels to show the amount of adherence to the spec. OrgMark would symbolize the "markings" or syntax of Org-mode, and not be close enough to Mark(down) to where people would think, like I did, that this was Org-mode power given to a subset of Markdown to help, say,

Unwanted italics formatting between two URLs

2021-11-28 Thread Rafael Laboissière
Hello, In an org-mode buffer, I have the following: [[https://first/-/url/][pre]] text [[https://second-url/?][post]] The “pre” and “text” words appear (wrongly) in italics, as you can see in the attached screenshot. This misbehavior is certainly related to the presence of the characters

Re: "Orgdown", the new name for the syntax of Org-mode

2021-11-28 Thread Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
Juan Manuel Macías writes: > Joost Kremers writes: > >> Why not just use the term "Org markup"? It's descriptive and should be >> understandable to people familiar with the concept of markup languages. > > This. 'Org markup language' and 'Org Syntax' are obvious and natural > terms that can

Re: "Orgdown", the new name for the syntax of Org-mode

2021-11-28 Thread Juan Manuel Macías
Joost Kremers writes: > Why not just use the term "Org markup"? It's descriptive and should be > understandable to people familiar with the concept of markup languages. This. 'Org markup language' and 'Org Syntax' are obvious and natural terms that can easily be inferred from the Org manual.

Re: [PATCH] Fix regex for determining image width from attribute

2021-11-28 Thread Timothy
Hi Matt, > I also still don’t really like the behavior > here. I don’t think it makes sense to interpret a width as 120% if we > have something like > > #+attr_latex: :width 1.2 What would be a more sensible interpretation in your mind? The “true” value depends on the number of columns, and

Re: [patch] fix ox-latex async export bug

2021-11-28 Thread Timothy
Hi Tim, > I’m wondering if this could be a problem when exporting to latex if the >underlying latex process encounters errors and is waiting for user input before >it can continue (which happens if there are problems in the tex source latex is >trying to process)? > > It might be worth checking