Re: [O] More flyspell-overlays removed

[Jeffrey Spencer]

Just gave this a go and seems to work well but still forgot to add I
believe:

TYP_TODO
and
ATTR_LATEX

Cheers,
Jeff

On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 1:32 AM, Bastien  wrote:

>
>
> "Sebastien Vauban"
>  writes:
>
> > I would allow fly-prog-mode in the listins, as one normally does for
> plain
> > code, no?
>
> This is indeed the case right now.
>
> --
>  Bastien
>
>
>

Re: [O] [PATCH] Fixes org-rmail-store-link

[Nick Dokos]

T.F. Torrey  wrote:

> ,..
> 
> The error occurs because org-rmail-store-link attempts to get the
> Message-ID header with mail-fetch-field, then remove the angle
> brackets with org-remove-angle-brackets. However, without showing full
> headers, Message-ID is hidden, and (mail-fetch-field "message-id)
> returns nil. When this is passed to org-remove-angle-brackets, the
> error is thrown.
> 
> The attached patch remedies this by toggling on the full header display
> before getting the Message-ID.
> 

Shouldn't it be toggled off afterwards?

Nick

Re: [O] are super-hidden technical blocks required?

[Torsten Wagner]

Hi,

I would say this discussion is just showing how difficult it becomes
to save all  extra information provided by more and more 3rd party
tools in a smart way in  plain-text.

I can understand both arguments
* hide stuff which is not useful or needed for the user vs.
* its my data and my file, I want to know what is stored in it.

The extra property line is really verbose if the only element inside
is a ID, a timestamp, or some other "technical" stuff.
Imagine a single list of task each only a view words on a single line.
The property drawer adds three lines to this just to add an ID. Even
collapsed it still doubles the amount of lines.

However, hiding even the collapsed property line has the danger that
people might forget about it and that devs need to make sure that by
any possible way of copy and pasting (and emacs knows many ways) those
hidden lines are not left behind, that text get not added in between
and the syntax remain valid for all kind of operation.

I am unsure how to deal with this. Any kind of font face, special
character, etc. on the next line below the title does not really give
any win. There will be still a second line per tree-node.

Adding something to the title line itself is tricky too. The title
line is rather full already with all the possible features.
I still prefer the proposed selective masking of properties to hide
them. In addition maybe a flag can be set to
+ hide a property drawer line,
+ set a different font face,
+ or leave it as it is
for the special case that the property drawer only contains hidden properties.

But I frighten that this, even it might be the most flexible solution,
might also be the most complex one to implement.

So how to satisfy both views, a clutter free view and the awareness of
what is saved in your file?


Torsten

Re: [O] Introducing Octopress Exporter

[Neil Smithline]

PS: By coincidence I just posted an article about Org Mode in my 
Octopress blog :-D


It is the second of at least three postings on my time management system.

The Org Mode posting is at 
http://www.neilsmithline.com/blog/2012/08/05/time-tracking-part-2/


The posting that outlines the entire time management system is 
http://www.neilsmithline.com/blog/2012/08/04/time-tracking/


If you want a sneak peek at some of the next posting, you can look at 
the files in 
https://github.com/Neil-Smithline/time-tracking-experiments/tree/gh-pages/assets


They include:
- Android screen shots of the Time Recording Pro app: The "customer" and 
"job" fields are extracted from an Org agenda by some elisp I wrote, 
exported into TRP format, and then imported into TRP.


- Gcal screen shots showing detailed recording of my activities. This is 
a builtin feature of TRP


- Org files that are produced by Memacs. They show data that has been 
harvested from Gcal and imported back into Org.


I have more discussion about the project at 
https://github.com/Neil-Smithline/time-tracking-experiments.


IMO, the coolest part is that I get all this functionality for the small 
price of 300 lines of elisp plus some scripting to wire things together.

[O] [PATCH] Fixes org-rmail-store-link

[T.F. Torrey]

Hello all,

Attempting to save a link in an Rmail buffer fails with the error
"Wrong type argument: arrayp, nil".

Attempting to save a link in an Rmail buffer succeeds if all headers
are shown (by pressing T to toggle the display).

Attempting to save a link in an Rmail summary buffer always fails with
the same error, even if all headers are shown.

The error occurs because org-rmail-store-link attempts to get the
Message-ID header with mail-fetch-field, then remove the angle
brackets with org-remove-angle-brackets. However, without showing full
headers, Message-ID is hidden, and (mail-fetch-field "message-id)
returns nil. When this is passed to org-remove-angle-brackets, the
error is thrown.

The attached patch remedies this by toggling on the full header display
before getting the Message-ID.

Emacs  : GNU Emacs 24.1.50.1 (i686-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.4.2)
 of 2012-07-29 on doubah, modified by Debian

Package: Org-mode version 7.8.11 (release_7.8.11-360-g7c4ac5-git @ mixed
installation! /usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/ and
/home/tftorrey/.emacs.d/src/org-mode/lisp/)

Best to all,
Terry
-- 
T.F. Torrey

diff --git a/lisp/org-rmail.el b/lisp/org-rmail.el
index cb379d3..f8abbf4 100644
--- a/lisp/org-rmail.el
+++ b/lisp/org-rmail.el
@@ -52,6 +52,7 @@
 	  (rmail-show-message rmail-current-message))
 	(when (fboundp 'rmail-narrow-to-non-pruned-header)
 	  (rmail-narrow-to-non-pruned-header))
+	(rmail-toggle-header 0)
 	(let* ((folder buffer-file-name)
 	   (message-id (mail-fetch-field "message-id"))
 	   (from (mail-fetch-field "from"))

Re: [O] Subscripts in URLs

[Bastien]

Hi Ken,

Ken Williams  writes:

> I see in
> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-orgmode/2010-08/msg01014.html that
> a patch was committed back in 2010 that should prevent underscores from
> introducing subscripts in links.  However, I'm using 7.8.03 (released
> 2012-01-03) and when I insert a link like so:
>
>   
> [[http://www.mmm.ucar.edu/events/ISP/presentations/JNT_forecast_evaluation_concepts.pdf]]
>
> and export to HTML, I get a link with anchor text
> http://www.mmm.ucar.edu/events/ISP/presentations/JNTforecastevaluationconcepts.pdf,
> where "forecastevaluationconcepts" is subscripted.  The link *target* is
> correct, though.

Maybe you have (setq org-export-with-sub-superscripts t) or ^:t in your
buffer? 

Otherwise the link is correctly exported here (I tested 7.8.03 and the
latest version from git.)

> Was there a subsequent commit that changes things back, or maybe something
> else I'm missing?  I'd like for the anchor text to just appear without
> org-mode's formatting stuff.

This should be the default if you use either ^:nil or ^:{}

HTH,

-- 
 Bastien

Re: [O] Introducing Octopress Exporter

[Neil Smithline]

Aurélien Aptel 
Aug 2, 2012 05:45
I've never heard of octopress, interesting. The only thing I don't
like is how comments are handled. Since it's all static you relying on
an external service like Disqus. I'm not so fond of losing control
over user contribution like that. Besides, the actual service (disqus)
is pretty terrible anyway. I'm always pissed when the comment I sent
gets processed in weird ways yet doesn't do verbatim/code blocks.

Org Mode and Octopress are both about owning your own data. They are a 
perfect fit.


You can get email notifications of your comments or RSS (see 
http://www.accmanpro.com/2011/01/27/subscribe-to-all-comments-using-disqus-in-7-easy-steps/) 
feeds of all your comments. A simple mail filter and you own your 
comments. You can even save them to individual, HTML files.


I'm wondering what blogging system you use and if you really own your 
comments as much as you think. I would argue that individual HTML files 
on my hard drive is a greater degree of ownership than who-knows-what in 
some database


I think that the decision about the use of external service for comments 
(or anything else) is a very important question. Assuming that you can 
own your data, an absolute requirement for me, I think that combining a 
static blog with external, dynamic services is the perfect solution. 
I've discussed this at 
http://www.neilsmithline.com/blog/2012/07/22/blurring-static-and-dynamic-blogs/.


My __static__ Octopress blog is hosted by Github, displays dynamic 
recent tweets care of Twitter, recent Github activity via Github, has a 
per-article "Buzz" section thanks to SocialMention, and even 
automatically tweets whenever I add a new post via Feedburner and Gmail 
filters.


I should add that my blog is 100% free with the exception of the 
computer I compose the posts on.


For me, static content combined with dynamic interaction is the best 
solution I've found and I've used many blogging services or self-hosted 
blogs.


Octopress is actually my second static blogging system. I used 
Nanoblogger before (I highly don't recommend it). I imported my posts 
from Nanoblogger to Octopress with relative really ease because they 
were both plain-text static blogs. I discuss it at 
http://www.neilsmithline.com/blog/2012/05/14/new-blog-tech/. Importing 
posts from other blogging systems that squirreled everything into a DB 
seemed to painful to me.


Neil

PS: I saw a mention of comment spam. I think that Disqus does a pretty 
good job of managing that. It also helps that my blog is not an 
attractive target as it probably has no more than two or three viewers.

Re: [O] Sagemath with org-babel?

[Darlan Cavalcante Moreira]

I have done this in the past, I don't have the files anymore. However, as
Tom says it is very easy to modify the templates to make org work with
sage. I remember I only needed some search and replace to make it work.

Also, you may want to have a look at sage-mode first if you haven't
already.
http://wiki.sagemath.org/sage-mode

With sage mode installed its is a simple matter to make "C-c '" edit the
source code in sage-mode.


--
Darlan

At Mon, 06 Aug 2012 11:33:47 -1000,
t...@tsdye.com (Thomas S. Dye) wrote:
> 
> Aloha Johan,
> 
> Babel can be configured to support new languages, see
> http://orgmode.org/worg/org-contrib/babel/languages.html#develop
> 
> Someone will need to write language specific functions to support code
> block evaluation in sage.  There is a template for this.  The functions
> written for other languages provide good examples of what the
> sage-specific functions might look like.  
> 
> hth,
> Tom
> 
> 
> 
> Johan Ekh  writes:
> 
> > Hi all,
> > sage is not listed under languages that can be used with
> > org-babel. But it is based on
> > Python, is it possible to use it with org-babel?
> >
> > /Johan
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> 
> -- 
> Thomas S. Dye
> http://www.tsdye.com
> 

Re: [O] Sagemath with org-babel?

[Thomas S. Dye]

Aloha Johan,

Babel can be configured to support new languages, see
http://orgmode.org/worg/org-contrib/babel/languages.html#develop

Someone will need to write language specific functions to support code
block evaluation in sage.  There is a template for this.  The functions
written for other languages provide good examples of what the
sage-specific functions might look like.  

hth,
Tom



Johan Ekh  writes:

> Hi all,
> sage is not listed under languages that can be used with
> org-babel. But it is based on
> Python, is it possible to use it with org-babel?
>
> /Johan
>
> Sent from my iPad
>

-- 
Thomas S. Dye
http://www.tsdye.com

Re: [O] Use nomencl package with latex exporter?

[Nick Dokos]

Johan Ekh  wrote:

> Thank you Myles,
> I'm not that comfortable with cmake but I will give your solution a try and 
> report My milage.
> 
> / Johan
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On 6 aug 2012, at 14:14, Myles English  wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Johan Ekh writes:
> > 
> >> Hi all,
> >> I use the default latex exporter in org-mode v7.8 to write documents using
> >> a custom latex class which is built on "article".
> >> I would like to use the "nomencl" latex package if possible.
> > 
> >> From the shell I usually run something like
> >> 
> >> makeindex filename.nlo -s nomencl.ist -o filename.nls
> >> 
> >> followed by latex or pdflatex, but how can I get the exporter to do
> >> this?

Customize the variable org-latex-to-pdf-process appropriately.

Nick

> > I don't know the answer to your question, but when I came across the
> > same problem, I used a makefile-like solution because I felt that the
> > building process was becoming sufficiently complicated to warrant using
> > a specialised tool.  If you are comfortable with CMake already it may be
> > worth a look.  Have a look for "UseLatex.cmake".
> > 
> > Basically you get emacs to export the .tex file from the .org file:
> > 
> > add_custom_command(
> >  OUTPUT ${CMAKE_CURRENT_BINARY_DIR}/mypaper.tex
> >  COMMAND emacs --batch
> >--visit=${CMAKE_CURRENT_BINARY_DIR}/mypaper.org
> >--load=/home/me/myfuncs.el
> >--funcall org-export-as-latex-batch
> >  DEPENDS orgfile
> >  COMMENT "Exporting orgmode file to LaTeX using emacs"
> >  )
> > 
> > And then bibtex and nomenclature are asked to do their stuff, and a pdf
> > is produced, with something like this directive:
> > 
> > add_latex_document( mypaper.tex
> >  INPUTS tex/bibliography.tex
> > texlib/mystyle.sty
> >  BIBFILES texlib/mylibrary.bib
> >  DEFAULT_PDF
> >  USE_NOMENCL
> > )
> > 
> > I also get it to generate all my R plots.  Other advantages are that you
> > get an out-of-source build that is isolated (to some extent) in its own
> > directory.  And I think it is easier to diagnose the problems when
> > things go wrong, better than staring at an elisp backtrace.  Now if org
> > would write my CMakeList.txt for me, that would be a fine thing.
> > 
> > Myles
> 

[O] Sagemath with org-babel?

[Johan Ekh]

Hi all,
sage is not listed under languages that can be used with org-babel. But it is 
based on
Python, is it possible to use it with org-babel?

/Johan

Sent from my iPad

Re: [O] Use nomencl package with latex exporter?

[Johan Ekh]

Thank you Myles,
I'm not that comfortable with cmake but I will give your solution a try and 
report My milage.

/ Johan

Sent from my iPad

On 6 aug 2012, at 14:14, Myles English  wrote:

> 
> Johan Ekh writes:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> I use the default latex exporter in org-mode v7.8 to write documents using
>> a custom latex class which is built on "article".
>> I would like to use the "nomencl" latex package if possible.
> 
>> From the shell I usually run something like
>> 
>> makeindex filename.nlo -s nomencl.ist -o filename.nls
>> 
>> followed by latex or pdflatex, but how can I get the exporter to do
>> this?
> 
> I don't know the answer to your question, but when I came across the
> same problem, I used a makefile-like solution because I felt that the
> building process was becoming sufficiently complicated to warrant using
> a specialised tool.  If you are comfortable with CMake already it may be
> worth a look.  Have a look for "UseLatex.cmake".
> 
> Basically you get emacs to export the .tex file from the .org file:
> 
> add_custom_command(
>  OUTPUT ${CMAKE_CURRENT_BINARY_DIR}/mypaper.tex
>  COMMAND emacs --batch
>--visit=${CMAKE_CURRENT_BINARY_DIR}/mypaper.org
>--load=/home/me/myfuncs.el
>--funcall org-export-as-latex-batch
>  DEPENDS orgfile
>  COMMENT "Exporting orgmode file to LaTeX using emacs"
>  )
> 
> And then bibtex and nomenclature are asked to do their stuff, and a pdf
> is produced, with something like this directive:
> 
> add_latex_document( mypaper.tex
>  INPUTS tex/bibliography.tex
> texlib/mystyle.sty
>  BIBFILES texlib/mylibrary.bib
>  DEFAULT_PDF
>  USE_NOMENCL
> )
> 
> I also get it to generate all my R plots.  Other advantages are that you
> get an out-of-source build that is isolated (to some extent) in its own
> directory.  And I think it is easier to diagnose the problems when
> things go wrong, better than staring at an elisp backtrace.  Now if org
> would write my CMakeList.txt for me, that would be a fine thing.
> 
> Myles

Re: [O] are super-hidden technical blocks required?

[Michael Brand]

On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 8:16 PM, Allen S. Rout  wrote:
> Org is my life in plain text, not WordPerfect with reveal-codes.

I always wondered what Ford Prefect is doing in the Org Manual and why
he is related with Org. :-))

Michael

Re: [O] org-mode S5 Presentation: How to disable mouse click for page turn so that mouse can be used to control embedded interactive chart?

[Feiming Chen]

Hi Eric: 

Thank you very much!  Your solution works! 

 Sincerely, 
Feiming Chen





From: Eric Schulte 
To: Bastien 
Cc: Feiming Chen ; emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
Sent: Wed, August 1, 2012 9:40:52 AM
Subject: Re: [O] org-mode S5 Presentation: How to disable mouse click for page 
turn so that mouse can be used to control embedded interactive chart?

Bastien  writes:

> Hi Feiming,
>
> Feiming Chen  writes:
>
>> I am embedding an interactive chart into org-mode S5 presentation on
>> web browser.  See this link for the presentation:
>>
>> http://stat.fsu.edu/~fchen/emacs-org-babel-mode/googleVis2web.html
>>
>> (source file: http://stat.fsu.edu/~fchen/emacs-org-babel-mode/
>> googleVis2web.org)
>

This sounds like more of a general S5 question, rather than an Org-mode
specific question.  Once an Org-mode document has been exported to a
format used by S5, all key presses and mouse click events are handled
directly by the S5 library in use.  I'd suggest contacting the author of
S5 or asking on an S5 mailing list.

After looking through the slides.js file, I think commenting out line
763 (or if you are using a different version of S5, the "onclick" line)
may do what you want.

https://github.com/eschulte/org-S5/blob/master/ui/default/slides.js#L763

Best,

-- 
Eric Schulte
http://cs.unm.edu/~eschulte

Re: [O] are super-hidden technical blocks required?

[Allen S. Rout]

On 08/04/2012 02:10 PM, Ilya Shlyakhter wrote:


One common use would be to store the creation & last-modification dates
of each entry.  I've tried various ways of doing it and they all were
too obtrusive to use on _every_ entry.   Time-stamping of all entries
would be extremely useful, just as time-stamping of files is.
But I don't want to see the timestamps during normal Org usage.



As a user, if your code is decorating my tree, I want to know it.  If 
you hide it, I'd be mad.   Org is my life in plain text, not WordPerfect 
with reveal-codes.



- Allen S. Rout

Re: [O] are super-hidden technical blocks required?

[Ilya Shlyakhter]

On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 8:12 AM, Jonathan Leech-Pepin
 wrote:
> The issue I can see with completely hiding :PROPERTIES: line is
> that you would then run the risk of adding text at the wrong
> location (between the headline and the drawer for example).  At
> the moment when the drawer is folded you know if the point is
> before, within or after the drawer (even though you still can
> remove parts of :end: by accident with backspaces), if it isn't
> visible at all you don't have that ability.

Maybe, Org should allow text between the headline and the drawer?
Is there a reason not to?

Alternately, if a UNIVERSAL_PROPERTIES drawer was always on the line immediately
following the headline, there would be no way to place text between it
and the headilne.

Also, maybe a hidden drawer could be protected by setting character
properties on it
to make it unmodifiable?

Re: [O] preview latex fragments

[darc...@gmail.com]

Do you add the tikz package to the
org-export-latex-default-packages-alist variable?
I had this bug in the past when I added the tikz package to
org-export-latex-default-packages-alist and the bug still exists
today.

Some threads about this (all related to tikz + preview-latex)
http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode/42410
http://article.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.auctex.general/4333/match=tikz+preview+latex
http://article.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode/56253/match=tikz+preview+latex

--
Darlan

2012/8/3 Andreas Leha :
> Hi Bastien,
>
> Bastien  writes:
>
>> Hi Andreas,
>>
>> Andreas Leha  writes:
>>
>>> I experience a problem with the preview of latex fragments:  I can not
>>> change the foreground color (in org-format-latex-options).  On a dark
>>> background, the black fragments are barely visible.
>>
>> If you are still having this bug, can you try this patch and say if it
>> fixes your problem?
>>
>>   http://patchwork.newartisans.com/patch/1387/
>>
>> Thanks!
>
> I still do see this problem and, unfortunately, this patch does not seem
> to fix it for me.
>
> Regards,
> Andreas
>
>

[O] Change: no longer automatically evaluate embedded elisp in code block output Was: babel awk with table input: Code block produced no output.

[Eric Schulte]

> so, the first question is, are the semantics of parsing results such
> that random e-lisp-looking code should be executed?  (this seems
> dangerous, but may nevertheless be the intended semantics.)  if one did
> *not* want that behavior, one can call org-babel-read with the
> inhibit-lisp-eval parameter 't, which causes it to *not* try to execute
> any embedded lisp-looking code [2].
>

The reading of values that "look like lisp" as lisp is intended behavior
of the `org-babel-read' function at large (e.g., this is how we are able
to pass in the current file name through a header argument), however I
agree that this should probably not be the default behavior when reading
results from a code block.  It is much more likely that a person will
intentionally embed elisp in a header argument, but much less likely
that someone would intentionally write an awk script which returns elisp
(and if that is their goal they can simple pass the awk output to an
emacs-lisp code block).

For this reason I've just pushed up a change which does as you suggest
and inhibits lisp evaluation in the `org-babel-import-elisp-from-file'
function which is only used to import emacs-lisp results from code
blocks.

If anyone is relying on the current behavior please complain about this
change and we can look at other options.

>
> the error that eval throws is caught by
> org-babel-import-elisp-from-file, which then just silently returns a
> nil.  the second question is, should it report an error to the user?
>

This will now report the error with a message, but will still return nil
for the table cell's value.

Thanks,

>
> cheers, Greg Minshall
>
> 
>
>> hi.  it appears that a left or right paren in an entry in a table makes
>> awk not execute.  here's an example (change ":stdin fails" to ":stdin
>> works" to see it work).  cheers, Greg
>> 
>> #+tblname: fails
>> | proto  | no c code   ||
>> | pscl   | c code, just fine   ||
>> | quadprog   | (minimal) c code, just fine ||
>> 
>> #+tblname: works
>> | proto  | no c code   ||
>> | pscl   | c code, just fine   ||
>> | quadprog   | minimal c code, just fine   ||
>> 
>> #+begin_src awk :stdin fails
>>   BEGIN {
>>   print "starting"
>>   }
>>   {
>>   print $0
>>   }
>> #+end_src
> 
>
> [1] in spite of its documentation, i'm not sure what
> org-babel-string-read does.  i thought it was removing quotation marks
> from strings (but wasn't sure why).  but, running this in *scratch*
> gives:
> 
> (org-babel-string-read "this is \"a\" test")
> "a"
> 
> rather than "this is a test", as i had assumed.  maybe that was a bogus
> test?
>
> [2] changing org-babel-string-read to call org-babel-read with
> inhibit-lisp-eval 't causes *my code* to work.  my code *also* works if
> i say ":results output" or ":results scalar"; i will defensively use one
> of these for my code.
>

-- 
Eric Schulte
http://cs.unm.edu/~eschulte

[O] Subscripts in URLs

[Ken Williams]

Hi,

I see in http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-orgmode/2010-08/msg01014.html 
that a patch was committed back in 2010 that should prevent underscores from 
introducing subscripts in links.  However, I'm using 7.8.03 (released 
2012-01-03) and when I insert a link like so:

  
[[http://www.mmm.ucar.edu/events/ISP/presentations/JNT_forecast_evaluation_concepts.pdf]]

and export to HTML, I get a link with anchor text 
http://www.mmm.ucar.edu/events/ISP/presentations/JNTforecastevaluationconcepts.pdf,
 where "forecastevaluationconcepts" is subscripted.  The link *target* is 
correct, though.

Was there a subsequent commit that changes things back, or maybe something else 
I'm missing?  I'd like for the anchor text to just appear without org-mode's 
formatting stuff.

Thanks.

--
Ken Williams, Senior Research Scientist
WindLogics
http://windlogics.com


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Re: [O] Agenda view column mode: How to a column showing just today's time?

[Brian Wood]

Thanks.  I'll let you know as soon as I have a chance to try it.

Brian Wood
Applications Programmer
UC Berkeley IST Application Services

On 8/5/12 2:13 AM, Bastien wrote:

Hi Brian,

Brian Wood  writes:


I'd like to replace CLOCKSUM with a column that shows me just the
time spent on the task *today* (not all the time ever spent on the
task).

 From latest git HEAD, you can try this column view:

   #+COLUMNS: %30ITEM %%10CLOCKSUM(Total) %10CLOCKSUM_T(Today)

It will show the total clock sum along with that of today.

HTH,

Re: [O] are super-hidden technical blocks required?

[Christopher J. White]

Hi Folks,

I thought I'd throw in my 2c on the topic.  I work on org-toodledo which 
syncs TODO items with Toodledo.com.  On first sync, it creates adds a 
"ToodledID" property to track the ID assigned by the server.


In my use case, that majority of TODO items have *no* other properties. 
 As such, many items have a PROPERTIES drawer with just the one entry.


What I see is visual clutter.  Many of my TODO items are also very small 
-- often no body at all.  So the only thing beneath the item is the 
property drawer plus other "properties" like DEADLINE/SCHEDULED/CLOSED. 
 When trying to browse my todo list, it gets a little painful when 
every other line is ":PROPERTIES:...", or DEADLINE, etc.


I rarely (never?) edit any of these properties directly manually.  I 
either modify them via agenda mode, keys (C-c C-s), or via column view 
that pulls out interesting properties that I like to edit.


So for me, I want the entire *drawer* to disappear, as well as 
SCHEDULED/DEADLINE and CLOSED lines.


I've personally thought there should be an extra step in the visibility 
cycling:



  -> FOLDED -> CHILDREN -> SUBTREE -> PROPERTIES

S-

  -> OVERVIEW -> CONTENTS -> SHOW ALL (minus PROPS) -> PROPERTIES

...cj


On 8/1/12 9:19 PM, Torsten Wagner wrote:

Hey Bastien,

thanks for keeping the topic up. Well, I guess people who are dealing
with import/export from third-party programs might have an idea how to
use this functionality (and can tell us how useful this would be). I
can try to contact the authors of mobileorg for iphone and android as
well as some other authors of sync-tools (if they are not already
contributing to this discussion). Lets see what is there opinion.

All the best

Torsten


On 1 August 2012 22:29, Bastien  wrote:

Hi Thorsten,

thanks for the detailed example.  As I said, I tend to be conversative
about such topics.  Not because I'm already too old, but because this is
often not worth the time-to-implement/complexity-in-code.  So I'm still
open to read a very compelling case where "tech" properties need to be
hidden...

Of course, "need" is subjective -- let's say if you manage to have at
least 3 friends complaining about tech properties being visible when
unfolding a drawer, I'm all ears :)

--
  Bastien

Re: [O] Bug: "File mode specification error: (invalid-function org-check-version)" on startup

[Achim Gratz]

Steinar Bang  dod.no> writes:
> I pulled org-mode master from git today.  When I tried to open an org
> file, it failed, with the following message in the minibuffer:
>  File mode specification error: (invalid-function org-check-version)

My guess is that you have outdated autoloads... but please follow these steps to
produce a meaningful bug report:

http://orgmode.org/manual/Feedback.html#Feedback

Perhaps also relevant:

http://orgmode.org/worg/org-faq.html#keeping-current-with-Org-mode-development
http://orgmode.org/worg/org-hacks.html#compiling-org-without-make

> git bisect identified the the following commit as the culprit:

Likely that was the first commit where the generated autoloads would become
different.


Regards,
Achim.

[O] org-elements: list in drawer

[Michael Brand]

Hi all

M-q on the list item in this example does not try to fill:

#+BEGIN_SRC org
  ,#+DRAWERS: MYDRAWER
  ,:MYDRAWER:
  ,- a paragraph longer than one line, a paragraph longer than one
line, a paragraph longer than one line
  ,:END:
#+END_SRC

org-fill-paragraph recognizes a plain list but I think it should be a
paragraph, like when without the drawer. org-element-parse-buffer
looks to me as I would expect, org-element-at-point on the list item
looks wrong to me.

Today's release_7.8.11-374-g7791d40 on 24.1, emacs -Q.

Michael

Re: [O] are super-hidden technical blocks required?

[Jonathan Leech-Pepin]

Hello,

On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 11:01 PM, Ilya Shlyakhter  wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 10:46 PM, Torsten Wagner
>  wrote:
>> I can see the point that the property drawer header can be annoying
>> too. Actually, when I used orgmobile for the first time I was not too
>> happy to see all this property drawers suddenly appearing in my files.
>
>> Alternatively to a new kind of drawer, I would think of the
>> HIDDEN_PROP: line and an additional method which hides a drawer even
>> more if it only contains hidden property elements. That could be done,
>> for example, by the already mentioned custom face.
>>
>> That is, a drawer is clearly visible if it contains properties intend
>> to be read/changed by the user (not marked invisible).
>> A drawer is less visible, if it contains only properties marked as hidden.
>
> That would be great.  Except, if a PROPERTIES drawer holds only hidden
> properties,
> it would be best to completely hide the :PROPERTIES: line (using
> outline-flag-region), rather than display it in
> a dimmed font.  So that, unless you explicitly ask to reveal these
> lines, you edit the file as if they weren't there.
>

The issue I can see with completely hiding :PROPERTIES: line is
that you would then run the risk of adding text at the wrong
location (between the headline and the drawer for example).  At
the moment when the drawer is folded you know if the point is
before, within or after the drawer (even though you still can
remove parts of :end: by accident with backspaces), if it isn't
visible at all you don't have that ability.

Re: [O] Use nomencl package with latex exporter?

[Myles English]

Johan Ekh writes:

> Hi all,
> I use the default latex exporter in org-mode v7.8 to write documents using
> a custom latex class which is built on "article".
> I would like to use the "nomencl" latex package if possible.

> From the shell I usually run something like
>
> makeindex filename.nlo -s nomencl.ist -o filename.nls
>
> followed by latex or pdflatex, but how can I get the exporter to do
> this?

I don't know the answer to your question, but when I came across the
same problem, I used a makefile-like solution because I felt that the
building process was becoming sufficiently complicated to warrant using
a specialised tool.  If you are comfortable with CMake already it may be
worth a look.  Have a look for "UseLatex.cmake".

Basically you get emacs to export the .tex file from the .org file:

add_custom_command(
  OUTPUT ${CMAKE_CURRENT_BINARY_DIR}/mypaper.tex
  COMMAND emacs --batch
--visit=${CMAKE_CURRENT_BINARY_DIR}/mypaper.org
--load=/home/me/myfuncs.el
--funcall org-export-as-latex-batch
  DEPENDS orgfile
  COMMENT "Exporting orgmode file to LaTeX using emacs"
  )

And then bibtex and nomenclature are asked to do their stuff, and a pdf
is produced, with something like this directive:

add_latex_document( mypaper.tex
  INPUTS tex/bibliography.tex
 texlib/mystyle.sty
  BIBFILES texlib/mylibrary.bib
  DEFAULT_PDF
  USE_NOMENCL
)

I also get it to generate all my R plots.  Other advantages are that you
get an out-of-source build that is isolated (to some extent) in its own
directory.  And I think it is easier to diagnose the problems when
things go wrong, better than staring at an elisp backtrace.  Now if org
would write my CMakeList.txt for me, that would be a fine thing.

Myles

[O] Bug: "File mode specification error: (invalid-function org-check-version)" on startup

[Steinar Bang]

Platform: Windows 2008R2 SP1
  GNU Emacs 23.4.1 (i386-mingw-nt6.1.7601) of 2012-02-04 on MARVIN

I pulled org-mode master from git today.  When I tried to open an org
file, it failed, with the following message in the minibuffer:
 File mode specification error: (invalid-function org-check-version)

My previous version (ORIG_HEAD), was:
 cf8d979d8c519ab62a02bc7501baa376b122bf3d

The HEAD after update, was:
 7791d40045ea8b6eef089c362fdf3cb35312a1a8

git bisect identified the the following commit as the culprit:
C:\Users\sb\Documents\git\org-mode>git bisect bad
abbea596111611a945d73783b3e8790e76599740 is the first bad commit
commit abbea596111611a945d73783b3e8790e76599740
Author: Bastien Guerry 
Date:   Sat Jul 28 00:55:45 2012 +0200

Move org-element.el from contrib/lisp to lisp/.

* org.el (org-mode-map): Add keybindings to
`org-element-transpose' and `org-narrow-to-element'.
(org-metaup): Fall back on `org-element-drag-backward'.
(org-metadown): Fall back on `org-element-drag-forward'.
Also move chunks of declarations and require statements to
get rid of compiler warnings.

* org-exp-blocks.el (org): Don't require org.  Add declarations.

* org-clock.el (org): Don't require org.

* ob-exp.el (org-list-forbidden-blocks): Add declarations.

:04 04 6669cee7aab025b4761b8a9e54da5cba675b48fc 
3de0787e877cda3d280fa85c61cd945cb305c122 M  contrib
:04 04 8a83fd0e0338ed15b5f9c97c846c485f8447b13d 
169d363447239443ff0be48910fb07cf726bd0c9 M  lisp

[O] Bug: "File mode specification error: (invalid-function org-check-version)" on startup

[Steinar Bang]

Platform: Windows 2008R2 SP1
  GNU Emacs 23.4.1 (i386-mingw-nt6.1.7601) of 2012-02-04 on MARVIN

I pulled org-mode master from git today.  When I tried to open an org
file, it failed, with the following message in the minibuffer:
 File mode specification error: (invalid-function org-check-version)

My previous version (ORIG_HEAD), was:
 cf8d979d8c519ab62a02bc7501baa376b122bf3d

The HEAD after update, was:
 7791d40045ea8b6eef089c362fdf3cb35312a1a8

git bisect identified the the following commit as the culprit:
C:\Users\sb\Documents\git\org-mode>git bisect bad
abbea596111611a945d73783b3e8790e76599740 is the first bad commit
commit abbea596111611a945d73783b3e8790e76599740
Author: Bastien Guerry 
Date:   Sat Jul 28 00:55:45 2012 +0200

Move org-element.el from contrib/lisp to lisp/.

* org.el (org-mode-map): Add keybindings to
`org-element-transpose' and `org-narrow-to-element'.
(org-metaup): Fall back on `org-element-drag-backward'.
(org-metadown): Fall back on `org-element-drag-forward'.
Also move chunks of declarations and require statements to
get rid of compiler warnings.

* org-exp-blocks.el (org): Don't require org.  Add declarations.

* org-clock.el (org): Don't require org.

* ob-exp.el (org-list-forbidden-blocks): Add declarations.

:04 04 6669cee7aab025b4761b8a9e54da5cba675b48fc 
3de0787e877cda3d280fa85c61cd945cb305c122 M  contrib
:04 04 8a83fd0e0338ed15b5f9c97c846c485f8447b13d 
169d363447239443ff0be48910fb07cf726bd0c9 M  lisp

[O] [PATCH] Change to next/previous-line in org agenda

[Eric Abrahamsen]

I'm not sure people will actually want this change, but I like it, so
I'm providing a patch. All this does is change org-agenda-next-line and
org-agenda-previous-line so that they move by agenda items, and not by
actual lines.

The only real drawback I can see is that, since
`substitute-key-definition' is being used to rewire *all*
next/previous-line definitions, it becomes a little difficult to
actually move by single lines. But if that's not a big deal…

Eric

>From dbb39680097b21882f6bafb65b3fc6548de93496 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
From: Eric Abrahamsen 
Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 17:31:52 +0800
Subject: [PATCH] Next/previous-line in agenda only go to agenda items.

---
 lisp/org-agenda.el | 26 +++---
 1 file changed, 15 insertions(+), 11 deletions(-)

diff --git a/lisp/org-agenda.el b/lisp/org-agenda.el
index dd2c98e..1e2cbfd 100644
--- a/lisp/org-agenda.el
+++ b/lisp/org-agenda.el
@@ -7245,17 +7245,21 @@ When called with a prefix argument, include all archive files as well."
 	(get-text-property (max (point-min) (1- (point)))
 			   'org-agenda-type
 
-(defun org-agenda-next-line ()
-  "Move cursor to the next line, and show if follow mode is active."
-  (interactive)
-  (call-interactively 'next-line)
-  (org-agenda-do-context-action))
-
-(defun org-agenda-previous-line ()
-  "Move cursor to the previous line, and show if follow-mode is active."
-  (interactive)
-  (call-interactively 'previous-line)
-  (org-agenda-do-context-action))
+(defun org-agenda-next-line (n)
+  "Move cursor to next agenda item."
+  (interactive "p")
+  (let ((backward (< n 0))
+	(count (or (abs n) 1)))
+(while (> count 0)
+  (next-line (when backward -1))
+  (org-agenda-do-context-action)
+  (when (org-get-at-bol 'org-marker)
+	(setq count (1- count))
+
+(defun org-agenda-previous-line (n)
+  "Move cursor to next agenda item."
+  (interactive "p")
+  (org-agenda-next-line (- n)))
 
 (defun org-agenda-do-context-action ()
   "Show outline path and, maybe, follow mode window."
-- 
1.7.11.4



-- 
GNU Emacs 24.1.50.1 (i686-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.24.11)
 of 2012-08-06 on pellet
7.8.11

[O] Use nomencl package with latex exporter?

[Johan Ekh]

Hi all,
I use the default latex exporter in org-mode v7.8 to write documents using
a custom latex class which is built on "article".
I would like to use the "nomencl" latex package if possible.

I have a latex src block before the first exported headline that looks like

#+begin_latex
lots of stuff
.
.
.
\makenomenclature
\printnomenclature
#+end_latex


and then I have additional src blocks that looks like

#+begin_latex
\nomenclature[c]{$\bm{q}^e$}{loads in all nodes belonging to element
$e$\nomunit{[N]}}%
#+end_latex

throughout my document.

Is this a viable approach? And how can I execute the "makeindex" program to
actually generate the
nomenlature list? My route to pdf looks like

(setq org-latex-to-pdf-process
'("pdflatex -interaction nonstopmode %b"
  "bibtex %b"
  "pdflatex -interaction nonstopmode %b"
  "pdflatex -interaction nonstopmode %b"))


>From the shell I usually run something like

makeindex filename.nlo -s nomencl.ist -o filename.nls

followed by latex or pdflatex, but how can I get the exporter to do this?

/Johan

Re: [O] Fetch failed

[Johan Ekh]

Thanks guys!
Now it works!
/Johan

On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 5:51 PM, Achim Gratz  wrote:

> Johan Ekh writes:
> > git pull
> > error: Unable to find 16d23c07dd3697db790b14e6873c65404c912e3f under
> > http://repo.or.cz/r/org-mode.git
> > Cannot obtain needed object 16d23c07dd3697db790b14e6873c65404c912e3f
> > error: Fetch failed.
>
> Check the files in .git/objects/pack — delete those *.idx files that
> have no corresponding *.pack file and do the upadte again.
>
>
> Regards,
> Achim.
> --
> +<[Q+ Matrix-12 WAVE#46+305 Neuron microQkb Andromeda XTk Blofeld]>+
>
> DIY Stuff:
> http://Synth.Stromeko.net/DIY.html
>
>
>

Re: [O] [PATCH 00/10] Takjuggler exporter improvements

[Bastien]

CC'ing Christian again with a working email address this time.

Bastien  writes:

> thanks for this.  I've quickly check by just reading the patches,
> and this looks good.  I copy Christian, hoping he will have time
> to double-check.

-- 
 Bastien

Re: [O] link to windows version of emacs broken

[Bastien]

Hi Carl-Johan,

"Carl-Johan Wägner"  writes:

> Just a notice for a broken link:
> At the page
> http://orgmode.org/worg/org-tutorials/org4beginners.html
> The link "Emacs for MS Windows" links to http://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/windows/Emacs/
>
> The correct link for the intended page is:
> http://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/emacs/windows/
>
> If someone has a minute left for nothing else, it may be a convenient
> update =)

Fixed, thanks,

-- 
 Bastien