from:"Jason"

Jeff Horn jrhorn...@gmail.com writes:

 On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 9:24 PM, Matt Lundin m...@imapmail.org wrote:
 I believe these pages have not been exported since we turned off the
 inline css publishing option; i.e., they have not been touched since
 that time, so the publishing mechanism does not export them.

 Matt,

 I was going to grep through the repo and touch all the files that
 haven't changed since then. Obviously, that's not really possible
 since the org files don't contain this CSS. :-) Perhaps Jason could
 give us a list of the affected files? Something like

grep -r 'CDATA' *

 in the Worg root might do the trick.

 Also, I was rather doomed to failure anyway. Touching a file doesn't
 change its contents, so git won't think anything has changed. (I know,
 it's a Duh)

 Maybe once we find the files, we could use a script add a whitespace
 character to the end of each org file and republish?

I temporarily set:

(setq org-publish-use-timestamps-flag nil)

And republished Worg.  All the pages were regenerated.  That removed the
inline CSS and fixed the title inconsistencies.

Thanks!

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Re: [Orgmode] Re: Worg needs some reorganizing

Erik Iverson er...@ccbr.umn.edu writes:

 Jeff Horn wrote:
 On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 6:22 AM, Dan Davison dandavis...@gmail.com wrote:
 I strongly second this. In fact I'll stick my neck out more: Worg is
 great, but for tutorials on org-mode, HTML export is often the wrong
 format for obvious reasons (i.e. unless you go to some trouble, it
 conceals a lot of the org syntax). I'm tempted to suggest that htmlized
 output should be the default format for many org tutorials on Worg.

 I respectfully disagree with your assertion. When someone writes a
 document properly, i.e. in a literate fashion, i.e. using org source
 blocks, the right syntax is shown at the right time. Please see the
 manual as an example.

 I must admit I ran into this exact problem when writing an org-babel/R
 tutorial.  The problem came down to the following: I was writing an
 interactive org-mode document showing mainly how code blocks work within
 org.  This of course necessitates that I describe code block arguments.
 But these aren't shown in export. I believe the solution would be
 to export an example block to HTML, but then *also* include a source
 code block for interactive org-mode use.

 So my tutorial makes perfect sense when you're following along in org
 mode.  But the HTML export seems a little odd since only the content
 of the code blocks are shown, and not the full code blocks, which is
 the point of the tutorial.

I see this issue a lot on the Babel pages.  What needs to be done is
wrap each source/example block in another block with org as the
language.

For example:

--8---cut here---start-8---
#+begin_src org
  ,#+begin_src sh :results output
ls -al
  ,#+end_src
#+end_src
--8---cut here---end---8---

I think this should be done for all Babel documents to make them more
coherent when reading them on the web.  I found the babel documentation
quite confusing in the beginning because of this.

Eric and Dan,

Do you agree with this?

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Re: [Orgmode] Re: Worg needs some reorganizing

Jeff Horn jrhorn...@gmail.com writes:

 On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 6:22 AM, Dan Davison dandavis...@gmail.com wrote:
 I strongly second this. In fact I'll stick my neck out more: Worg is
 great, but for tutorials on org-mode, HTML export is often the wrong
 format for obvious reasons (i.e. unless you go to some trouble, it
 conceals a lot of the org syntax). I'm tempted to suggest that htmlized
 output should be the default format for many org tutorials on Worg.

 I respectfully disagree with your assertion. When someone writes a
 document properly, i.e. in a literate fashion, i.e. using org source
 blocks, the right syntax is shown at the right time. Please see the
 manual as an example.

 Now, I'm no fan of nerfing choices in order to force anyone to do
 things The Right Way (tm), but it bears mentioning.

 I see no harm in publishing using org-publish-org-to-org with htmlize.
 We could even add a link in the footer or header of each page that
 links to the htmlized source. I do *not* agree in making it the
 default format for any page.

FYI, Bastien implemented the htmlize version of Worg Tuesday.  You can
see it on any Worg page by replacing .html with .org.html.  Example:

http://orgmode.org/worg/org-contrib/babel/intro.org.html
http://orgmode.org/worg/org-contrib/babel/intro.html

Maybe we should add some colors to that htmlize output.  I agree a link
to the Org version on every page would be useful.

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Re: [Orgmode] Re: [PATCH] Stable key assignment for org-fast-tag-selection

Matt Lundin m...@imapmail.org writes:

 Bastien bastien.gue...@wikimedia.fr writes:

 emacs-orgm...@dunsmor.com writes:

 - Eval (setq org-use-fast-tag-selection t)
 - Eval (setq org-fast-tag-selection-single-key expert)
 - Create a heading with tags :a1:a2:
 - Create another heading with tags :a1:a2:
 - Type C-c a, C-c a, C-c a, C-c a
 - Notice how it changes from a1 to a2

 I reproduced this, well spotted.

 Below is a patch to make the character assignment stable, given that all
 of the same tags exist in the file each time it's run.

 Thanks for the patch!

 I was not able to apply it using the pw utility, so I made the change
 myself -- I forgot to do a git commit --amend --author tho, sorry!

 This patch breaks grouping in fast tag selection, since the sort
 function ignores the grouping information provided in org-tag-alist.

 Here's a sample org-tag-alist:

 (setq org-tag-alist '((:startgroup . nil)
 (desk . ?d)
 (email . ?m)
 (hack . ?k)
 (net . ?n)
 (phone . ?p)
 (:endgroup . nil)
 (:startgroup . nil)
 (home . ?h)
 (yard . ?y)
 (errands . ?e)
 (:endgroup . nil)
 (:startgroup . nil)
 (read . ?r)
 (script .?s)
 (think . ?t)
 (travel . ?j)
 (:endgroup . nil)))

 And here's the prompt for org-tag-alist:

 Inherited:  inbox per prof
 Current:
  Next change exits
 }
 }
 }
 { { { [d] desk  [m] email [e] errands   [k] hack  [h] home  
   [n] net   [p] phone [r] read  [s] script[t] think 
   [j] travel[y] yard  

Good catch.  I see the problem.

--8---cut here---start-8---
(sort org-tag-alist (lambda (a b) (string (car a) (car b
--8---cut here---end---8---

Yields:

--8---cut here---start-8---
((:endgroup)
 (:endgroup)
 (:endgroup)
 (:startgroup)
 (:startgroup)
 (:startgroup)
 (desk . 100)
 (email . 109)
 (errands . 101)
 (hack . 107)
 (home . 104)
 (net . 110)
 (phone . 112)
 (read . 114)
 (script . 115)
 (think . 116)
 (travel . 106)
 (yard . 121))
--8---cut here---end---8---

And a bunch of code relies on the position of the :startgroup
and :endgroup dummy tags.

I wonder why this design was chosen instead of using a list of alists
for grouping.  For example:

--8---cut here---start-8---
(setq org-tag-alist '(((desk . ?d)
   (email . ?m)
   (hack . ?k)
   (net . ?n)
   (phone . ?p))
  ((home . ?h)
   (yard . ?y)
   (errands . ?e))
  ((read . ?r)
   (script .?s)
   (think . ?t)
   (travel . ?j
--8---cut here---end---8---

Maybe org-tag-alist could either be an alist or a list of alists, and a
simple (listp (caar org-tag-alist)) test could be used to see what form
org-tag-alist is in and then handle accordingly.  Does anybody see a
problem with that approach?

This doesn't seem like a trivial change, so my original patch should
probably be reverted until this gets implemented properly.

Regards,
Jason

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Re: [Orgmode] Re: Worg needs some reorganizing

Matt Lundin m...@imapmail.org writes:

 Jason Dunsmore emacs-orgm...@dunsmor.com writes:

 I made a version of the FAQ without the javascript folding:

 http://orgmode.org/tmp/worg/org-faq-nojs.html
 http://orgmode.org/tmp/worg/org-faq.html

 It like it better, but it's still a bit unwieldy.  Maybe the FAQ just
 needs to be reorganized.  See how Wikipedia does it:

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:FAQ
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:FAQ_Index

 Matt or Bastien, do you have an opinion on reorganizing the FAQ?

 I reorganized the FAQ into categories a year or so ago; it's remarkable
 to consider how much the document has grown (thanks to the community!)
 since then.

 I believe it is helpful to have the entire FAQ on one page, though I'd
 agree could use some pruning. My plan is to move some the longer
 entries to documentation pages of their own, leaving behind a brief
 answer along with a link to more detailed documentation.

 I'd like to get rid of the javascript folding on the FAQ. I've found
 that on slower computers it can take a few seconds for the entire page
 to fold, while artifacts of entries flash briefly on the screen.

These changes sound great.

 On this one page, I think we need a simple (non-js) table-of-contents.
 Is there a way to override the hidden toc for this page only?

I agree (copying Eric on this email - he might know).

 I'll also see if I can work up a local export hook to add a Back to
 top link for each entry.

I think this might be unnecessary (hitting Back, typing the Home
key, or middle clicking at the top of the scroll bar can all already do
this).

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Re: [Orgmode] Re: Worg needs some reorganizing

Jeff Horn jrhorn...@gmail.com writes:

 On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 12:34 PM, Jason Dunsmore
 emacs-orgm...@dunsmor.com wrote:
 I think this might be unnecessary (hitting Back, typing the Home
 key, or middle clicking at the top of the scroll bar can all already do
 this).

 I'm not an expert, but that is not very accessible. Shouldn't be a
 problem with modern text browsers, but I remember this being an
 accessibility recommendation for FAQish pages at my previous
 university.

Hm, that sounds a bit like folklore.  Is there some accessibility
standard we can follow, and should we (how up-to-date are these
documents relative to modern accessible browsers)?  I noticed every
other project FAQ I came across doesn't do this:

http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/FAQ
https://git.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/GitFaq
http://kb.mozillazine.org/Firefox_:_FAQs

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Re: [Orgmode] Re: Worg needs some reorganizing

Eric Schulte schulte.e...@gmail.com writes:

 Achim Gratz strom...@nexgo.de writes:

 Eric Schulte schulte.e...@gmail.com writes:
 I just pushed up an edit to the Worg repository which should reset all
 of the defaults on the TOC of the org-faq-nojs.org page.  If this works
 I vote we set this as the sole org-faq page.

 It works, but I think you would want

 font-size: inherit;


 applied, thanks


 in the first block.  If there's a way to have org wrap the toc into
 different divs, you would not need to undo the styles.


 agreed, but I think this is the simpler solution for now.

 BTW: this changes has now propagated through to
 http://orgmode.org/worg/org-faq-nojs.html

Looks like the TOC links are larger than the text on the rest of the
page.  Can the text size be made the same?

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Re: [Orgmode] Re: Worg needs some reorganizing

Achim Gratz strom...@nexgo.de writes:

 Jason Dunsmore emacs-orgm...@dunsmor.com writes:
 Looks like the TOC links are larger than the text on the rest of the
 page.  Can the text size be made the same?

 That's what the inherit is fixing.  You may still have the old copy in
 cache, I've just now been able to get the new version that Eric pushed
 some time ago.

Oh okay.

Does anybody know why some pages have inline CSS?  For example:

http://orgmode.org/worg/org-configs/index.html

--8---cut here---start-8---
style type=text/css 
 !--/*--![CDATA[/*!--*/
  html { font-family: Times, serif; font-size: 12pt; }
  .title  { text-align: center; }
  .todo   { color: red; }
  .done   { color: green; }
  .tag{ background-color: #add8e6; font-weight:normal }
  .target { }
  .timestamp { color: #bebebe; }
  .timestamp-kwd { color: #5f9ea0; }
  .right  {margin-left:auto; margin-right:0px;  text-align:right;}
  .left   {margin-left:0px;  margin-right:auto; text-align:left;}
  .center {margin-left:auto; margin-right:auto; text-align:center;}
  p.verse { margin-left: 3% }
  pre {
  border: 1pt solid #AEBDCC;
  background-color: #F3F5F7;
  padding: 5pt;
  font-family: courier, monospace;
font-size: 90%;
overflow:auto;
  }
  table { border-collapse: collapse; }
  td, th { vertical-align: top;  }
  th.right  { text-align:center;  }
  th.left   { text-align:center;   }
  th.center { text-align:center; }
  td.right  { text-align:right;  }
  td.left   { text-align:left;   }
  td.center { text-align:center; }
  dt { font-weight: bold; }
  div.figure { padding: 0.5em; }
  div.figure p { text-align: center; }
  textarea { overflow-x: auto; }
  .linenr { font-size:smaller }
  .code-highlighted {background-color:#00;}
  .org-info-js_info-navigation { border-style:none; }
  #org-info-js_console-label { font-size:10px; font-weight:bold;
   white-space:nowrap; }
  .org-info-js_search-highlight {background-color:#00; color:#00;
 font-weight:bold; }
  /*]]*/--
/style
--8---cut here---end---8---

I came across this when trying to figure out what was causing the
different H1 styles (top page title).  For example, compare:

http://orgmode.org/worg/org-faq-nojs.html
and
http://orgmode.org/worg/org-configs/index.html

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Re: [Orgmode] Re: Worg needs some reorganizing

Bastien bastien.gue...@wikimedia.fr writes:

 Jeff Horn jrhorn...@gmail.com writes:

 Jason seems to be garnering a lot of votes, but Eric's zenburn
 emulation makes my eyes happy. If Jason wins out, I suppose I could
 always just read Worg in emacs... :D

 Or use Eric zenburn-like css by selecting it as an alternative
 stylesheet in Firefox : View - Page Style - [select stylesheet].

 I don't know how to make this choice persistent from Firefox and I 
 don't know if this feature is available for other browsers, but it
 is certainly worth having several stylesheet available.

There's a Firefox add-on that will give you configurable per-site user
CSS:
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/stylish/

Looks like most browsers have a feature for this.

Opera:
http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=109574

Chrome:
https://chrome.google.com/extensions/detail/fjnbnpbmkenffdnngjfgmeleoegfcffe
http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Chrome/thread?tid=1fa0dd079dbdc2ffhl=en
http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=2393

Safari:
http://hetima.com/safari/stand-e.html

And there's something in the CSS 2.1 spec about allowing users to attach
style sheets that I don't fully understand.
http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/

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Re: [Orgmode] Re: Worg needs some reorganizing

Matt Lundin m...@imapmail.org writes:

 Bastien bastien.gue...@wikimedia.fr writes:

 Jeff Horn jrhorn...@gmail.com writes:

 Jason seems to be garnering a lot of votes, but Eric's zenburn
 emulation makes my eyes happy. If Jason wins out, I suppose I could
 always just read Worg in emacs... :D

 Or use Eric zenburn-like css by selecting it as an alternative
 stylesheet in Firefox : View - Page Style - [select stylesheet].

 I don't know how to make this choice persistent from Firefox and I 
 don't know if this feature is available for other browsers, but it
 is certainly worth having several stylesheet available.

 Could we perhaps go ahead and put the new stylesheets on Worg along with
 alternate stylesheet links in the publishing preamble?

That's okay with me.  I just uploaded the latest stylesheet with Eric's
collapsed TOC integrated in:
http://orgmode.org/tmp/worg.css

You can see it in action at:
http://orgmode.org/tmp/worg/

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Re: [Orgmode] Re: Worg needs some reorganizing

Bastien bastien.gue...@wikimedia.fr writes:

 Thanks all for the work on worg.css -- I'm excited to see this happen!

 I'm putting Sebastian explicitely into the loop: I remember Sebastian
 worked on org.css (and maybe worg.css?) to make sure the spacing between
 HTML headings was okay for folding/unfolding through org-info-js.  Maybe
 this is something that should be taken care of with the new worg.css.

My starting point was the old worg.css file.  I noticed there was
excessive space between sections.  When I removed the following two
lines:

--8---cut here---start-8---
/* Add more spacing between section. Padding, so that folding with 
org-info.js works as expected. */
padding-bottom:2em;
--8---cut here---end---8---

It fixed the problem with excessive spacing.  Removing it didn't cause
an issue with the javascript-folded pages that I could see.

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Re: [Orgmode] Re: Worg needs some reorganizing

Nick Dokos nicholas.do...@hp.com writes:

 Jason Dunsmore emacs-orgm...@dunsmor.com wrote:

 ...
 That's okay with me.  I just uploaded the latest stylesheet with Eric's
 collapsed TOC integrated in:
 http://orgmode.org/tmp/worg.css
 
 You can see it in action at:
 http://orgmode.org/tmp/worg/
 

 I haven't been able to see Eric's TOC in action yet (w/Firefox 3.0.19 on
 Ubuntu 8.10): I looked at the screenshots Eric posted, but I see nothing
 in the upper RH corner. Are there any prerequisites? I'll try more
 recent FF on more recent Ubuntu and perhaps some other browsers/distros
 as well, but if anybody has any ideas, I'd appreciate them.

The front page doesn't have a TOC.  You can see it here:
http://orgmode.org/tmp/worg/org-dependencies.html

Hit C-S-r to reload without using the cache if you still don't see it.

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Eric Schulte schulte.e...@gmail.com writes:

 I'm partial to the emacs.css bundled with my
 submission over the current code fontification, but that's just me.

I put your pre style in place:
http://orgmode.org/tmp/worg.css

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Re: [Orgmode] Re: Worg needs some reorganizing

Eric Schulte schulte.e...@gmail.com writes:


 By the way, having the javascript section-folding enabled on only some
 pages is confusing and doesn't make for the best browsing experience.
 Now that the TOC will be collapsed by default, perhaps it's no longer
 needed?


 Yes the javascript is probably the culprit here, I agree that with the
 hidden TOC it is probably not required.  My preference would be to
 remove the section folding (and use of javascript) from Worg entirely.


 Is there a consensus on removing Javascript folding from *all* pages on
 Worg.  I think this would be an improvement both for the readability and
 stylistic coherence of the site.

I am in favor of removing the javascript folding from all Worg pages.
It would improve the consistency and experience of browsing Worg.

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Re: [Orgmode] Re: Worg needs some reorganizing

Eric Schulte schulte.e...@gmail.com writes:

 Matt Lundin m...@imapmail.org writes:

 Bastien bastien.gue...@wikimedia.fr writes:

 Jeff Horn jrhorn...@gmail.com writes:

 Jason seems to be garnering a lot of votes, but Eric's zenburn
 emulation makes my eyes happy. If Jason wins out, I suppose I could
 always just read Worg in emacs... :D

 Or use Eric zenburn-like css by selecting it as an alternative
 stylesheet in Firefox : View - Page Style - [select stylesheet].

 I don't know how to make this choice persistent from Firefox and I 
 don't know if this feature is available for other browsers, but it
 is certainly worth having several stylesheet available.

 Could we perhaps go ahead and put the new stylesheets on Worg along with
 alternate stylesheet links in the publishing preamble? That way we could
 begin to tweak the stylesheets as a community and test them on the
 fly. (It would also save Jason the work of having to publish to tmp
 directories.) Others would then be free to add their own
 stylesheets---though I suppose that adding alternate stylesheet links
 will require access to the publishing options on the server.

 Once we've decided on a default, we could then adjust the preamble
 accordingly and clean up the alternates.


 This sounds like a great approach to me.  I'm convinced that there are
 other Org-mode users with much more sophisticated knowledge of CSS who
 may improve our initial efforts in time.

 One other alternative that comes to mind--while we're making impositions
 on Jason's kindness :)--is that it would be nice to have an alternate
 version of Worg published side-by-side with the original, only instead
 of publishing each page using org-publish-as-html, it could publish each
 page using only htmlize.  That way we could show off how nice Org-mode
 syntax can be when viewed from inside of Emacs, and users could see a
 side-by-side between the plain-text and html versions.  An example of
 this approach done successfully is Dan's Babel example at
 http://www.stats.ox.ac.uk/~davison/software/org-babel/drift.org.html

That sounds like a good idea.  Do you know exactly how to do this?

I added the following to org-publish-project-alist:

--8---cut here---start-8---
(worg-htmlize
 :base-directory ~/git/Worg/
 :base-extension org
 :html-extension org.html
 :publishing-directory /var/www/orgmode.org/worg/
 :recursive t
 :htmlized-source t
 :publishing-function htmlize)
--8---cut here---end---8---

But when I run:

--8---cut here---start-8---
(defun publish-worg-htmlize nil
   Publish Worg.
   (interactive)
   (add-hook 'org-publish-after-export-hook 'worg-fix-symbol-table)
   (let ((org-format-latex-signal-error nil)
 (org-startup-folded nil))
 (org-publish-project worg-htmlize)))
--8---cut here---end---8---

I get the error Symbol's function definition is void: publish-htmlize.
I made sure to (require 'htmlize).

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Re: [Orgmode] Re: Worg needs some reorganizing

Eric Schulte schulte.e...@gmail.com writes:


 One last change I would suggest, is that rather than use inline css for
 the highlighted source code, we use a css stylesheet by setting the 

   (setq org-export-htmlize-output-type 'css)

 Then use a single .css style sheet as done with the @import(emacs.css)
 in my previous submission.  I'm partial to the emacs.css bundled with my
 submission over the current code fontification, but that's just me.


 While we're fixing things, are there any objections to making the
 publishing change recommended above?  It should significantly reduce the
 size of pages which contain a large amount of source code, and will make
 it easier to adjust the fontification inside of code blocks.

I agree that org-export-htmlize-output-type should be set to 'css.

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Re: [Orgmode] Re: Worg needs some reorganizing

Jason Dunsmore emacs-orgm...@dunsmor.com writes:

 Eric Schulte schulte.e...@gmail.com writes:


 By the way, having the javascript section-folding enabled on only some
 pages is confusing and doesn't make for the best browsing experience.
 Now that the TOC will be collapsed by default, perhaps it's no longer
 needed?


 Yes the javascript is probably the culprit here, I agree that with the
 hidden TOC it is probably not required.  My preference would be to
 remove the section folding (and use of javascript) from Worg entirely.


 Is there a consensus on removing Javascript folding from *all* pages on
 Worg.  I think this would be an improvement both for the readability and
 stylistic coherence of the site.

 I am in favor of removing the javascript folding from all Worg pages.
 It would improve the consistency and experience of browsing Worg.

I made a version of the FAQ without the javascript folding:

http://orgmode.org/tmp/worg/org-faq-nojs.html
http://orgmode.org/tmp/worg/org-faq.html

It like it better, but it's still a bit unwieldy.  Maybe the FAQ just
needs to be reorganized.  See how Wikipedia does it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:FAQ
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:FAQ_Index

Matt or Bastien, do you have an opinion on reorganizing the FAQ?

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Re: [Orgmode] Re: Worg needs some reorganizing

Matt Lundin m...@imapmail.org writes:

 My suggestion would be to go with Jason's css (combined with Eric's
 expandable table of contents) then have Eric's css and the old-worg 
 css available as alternative css.

 I like Jason's stylesheet, and have a couple of observations:

 1) h3 headers are indented, but the text beneath them is not.
- See 
 http://orgmode.org/tmp/worg-jason/org-tutorials/org-custom-agenda-commands.html#sec-2_1

Yes, that was intentional.  I wanted to keep the column width constant.

 2) h1 is a little bit off center, perhaps because of the org-mode logo?

I fixed this.

Thanks,
Jason

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Re: [Orgmode] Re: Worg needs some reorganizing

Bastien bastien.gue...@wikimedia.fr writes:

Jason Dunsmore emacs-orgm...@dunsmor.com writes:

I made a version of the FAQ without the javascript folding:

http://orgmode.org/tmp/worg/org-faq-nojs.html
http://orgmode.org/tmp/worg/org-faq.html

Thanks. Nitpicking: I'd prefer paragraphs to be indented to the right
(so that headines are always left from the text) But just a matter of
taste, of course.

I implemented this. Example:
http://orgmode.org/tmp/worg-jason/org-dependencies.html

The variable column widths don't look bad like I thought they would.

It like it better, but it's still a bit unwieldy. Maybe the FAQ just
needs to be reorganized. See how Wikipedia does it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:FAQ
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:FAQ_Index

Matt or Bastien, do you have an opinion on reorganizing the FAQ?

I don't have a strong opinion about this: splitting the FAQ into
org-faq-*.org comes to my mind, but it's a big task. org-info-js,
while not optimal for *every* page on Worg, was doing a good job
on the FAQ.

Sometimes I come across one of those huge javascript-folded pages via a
Google search. When I visit the page, I'm unable to find the content on
the page that I'm looking for because the browser search function
doesn't work.

Example:
http://www.google.com/search?q=Why+aren't+items+disappearing+from+my+agenda+once+they+are+marked+done

Most people would go to the next Google result. I usually end up
searching the HTML source. I guess you could switch to Emacs and search
Worg, but I don't usually do that and Org-mode newbies certainly would
not do that.

I'd be happy to help reorganize the FAQ. I think it would be a big help
to Org-mode noobs to be able to easily find information on Worg via
search engines. Let me know how I can help.

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Re: [Orgmode] Re: Worg needs some reorganizing

Matt Lundin m...@imapmail.org writes:

 Bastien bastien.gue...@wikimedia.fr writes:

 Jeff Horn jrhorn...@gmail.com writes:

 Jason seems to be garnering a lot of votes, but Eric's zenburn
 emulation makes my eyes happy. If Jason wins out, I suppose I could
 always just read Worg in emacs... :D

 Or use Eric zenburn-like css by selecting it as an alternative
 stylesheet in Firefox : View - Page Style - [select stylesheet].

 I don't know how to make this choice persistent from Firefox and I 
 don't know if this feature is available for other browsers, but it
 is certainly worth having several stylesheet available.

 Could we perhaps go ahead and put the new stylesheets on Worg along with
 alternate stylesheet links in the publishing preamble? That way we could
 begin to tweak the stylesheets as a community and test them on the
 fly. (It would also save Jason the work of having to publish to tmp
 directories.) Others would then be free to add their own
 stylesheets---though I suppose that adding alternate stylesheet links
 will require access to the publishing options on the server.

The new stylesheet is in place now.

Eric,

Looks like there's a conflict with new TOC and the org-people page:

http://orgmode.org/worg/org-people.html

Can it be fixed?

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Re: [Orgmode] Re: Worg needs some reorganizing

I updated your first one and added your second one.  I also updated mine
to use your idea for the Org mascot.

So we have three options:

Option 1: http://orgmode.org/tmp/worg-jason/
Option 2: http://orgmode.org/tmp/worg-eric/
Option 3: http://orgmode.org/tmp/worg-eric2/

I think they're all a major improvement to Worg.  How should we move
forward with this?  Take a vote?

Regards,
Jason

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Re: [Orgmode] Re: Worg needs some reorganizing

Bastien bastien.gue...@wikimedia.fr writes:

 Jason Dunsmore ja...@dunsmor.com writes:

 I updated your first one and added your second one.  I also updated mine
 to use your idea for the Org mascot.

 So we have three options:

 Option 1: http://orgmode.org/tmp/worg-jason/
 Option 2: http://orgmode.org/tmp/worg-eric/
 Option 3: http://orgmode.org/tmp/worg-eric2/

 Wow!  I love this.  My preference goes to Jason's version: both plain
 simple and colorful.  I also love Eric's expandable table of contents:
 the one we have for now often clutters the page too much...

 I think they're all a major improvement to Worg.  

 So do I -- thanks for this!

 How should we move forward with this?  Take a vote?

 Matt's call :)

 My suggestion would be to go with Jason's css (combined with Eric's
 expandable table of contents) then have Eric's css and the old-worg 
 css available as alternative css.

Sounds good.  But first.. I noticed an issue with the expandable TOC on
a couple of pages:

http://orgmode.org/tmp/worg-eric/org-faq.html
http://orgmode.org/tmp/worg-eric/org-glossary.html

Does it have something to do with the javascript section-folding?

By the way, having the javascript section-folding enabled on only some
pages is confusing and doesn't make for the best browsing experience.
Now that the TOC will be collapsed by default, perhaps it's no longer
needed?

Regards,
Jason

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Re: [Orgmode] Re: Worg needs some reorganizing

Achim Gratz strom...@nexgo.de writes:

 Bastien bastien.gue...@wikimedia.fr writes:
 Wow!  I love this.  My preference goes to Jason's version: both plain
 simple and colorful.

 Please do not use fixed measures in pixels, points, inches or
 centimeters and prescribed font families.  Let this choice reside with
 the user, they know what fonts in which sizes are readable on their
 computer.  Relative font sizes with a 1.2 scaling factor or the symbolic
 fontsizes specified by CSS are more friendly.

 I also love Eric's expandable table of contents:
 the one we have for now often clutters the page too much...

 +1

 I think the unicorn icon should be a bit smaller so that the reserved
 space on top is not so large and it might be a quicklink back to the top
 worg page.  In Jasons version to me the space between list items, table
 rows, etc. looks a bit too large - but that should be easily tuned.

Good suggestions.

I made several unit changes from px to em, removed the line-height
property, and removed Georgia as the default font:

diff --git a/worg.css b/worg.css
index 9742965..ccb732a 100644
--- a/worg.css
+++ b/worg.css
@@ -4,2 +4 @@
-font:14px Georgia,serif;
-line-height:18px;
+font:0.9em serif;
@@ -44 +46 @@
-font-size:30px;
+font-size:2.1em;
@@ -67 +69 @@
-font-size:21px;
+font-size:1.45em;
@@ -80 +82 @@
-font-size:19px;
+font-size:1.3em;
@@ -88 +90 @@
-font-size:17px;
+font-size:1.2em;

In h2, h3, and h4, removing Arial as the font-family and letting the
browser use the default sans font looked ugly.  Is there a more general
way to specify an Arial-like font?

Properties that define how close the content comes to the unicorn image
still have px units because it needs to be an absolute value.

Let me know if this still looks good.

Regards,
Jason

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Re: [Orgmode] Re: Worg needs some reorganizing

Achim Gratz strom...@nexgo.de writes:

 Jason Dunsmore emacs-orgm...@dunsmor.com writes:
 I made several unit changes from px to em, removed the line-height
 property, and removed Georgia as the default font:

 Well actually, relative font sizing works would be 'larger' and
 'smaller', which would take into account what fonts are actually
 available.  Specifying the fonts with percentages or em often ends up at
 a font size that is not available and must be scaled, which can look
 really bad.  But before I make a mess by trying to explain it, search
 for:

 css relative font sizes -w3schools

 I actually don't assign sizes in my own CSS and rely on the default
 sizes the browser delivers.  That may be too chancy for you since the
 defaults are bad in several older browsers, but it works well enough
 with all the modern ones.

 In h2, h3, and h4, removing Arial as the font-family and letting the
 browser use the default sans font looked ugly.  Is there a more
 general way to specify an Arial-like font?

 Sans-serif uses whatever the user has specified to be used for this
 font.  To me, Arial looks ugly and I'm using a different font there;
 I've also replaced serif with the same font because I've yet to find a
 website that actually reads better with a serif font.  Finally, I've
 also locked my fonts so I don't get overruled by some webdesigners idea
 of nice-looking and readable (which may well be true on their
 computer).  :-)

 BTW, sans is not a generic font family and might actually return a
 (pixel?) font installed on the system.  Last but not least, font
 families should be quoted and generic families not, e.g.:

 font: Georgia, sans-serif;
 font-size: medium; /* absolute specification decided by UA, user preference */

Hi Achim,

I've taken all of your advice to heart and created this improved CSS
file:

http://orgmode.org/tmp/worg-improved.css

:) Joking aside, please send me a patch or CSS file with your
suggestions implemented.

Regards,
Jason

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Re: [Orgmode] Re: Worg needs some reorganizing

2011-01-16 Thread Jason Dunsmore

Eric Schulte schulte.e...@gmail.com writes:

 I recall a discussion of holding a competition to select a new css style
 for Worg (found it here [1]).  I think that such a change could
 fruitfully be combined with the Worg re-organization.

I'm not a web-designer, but here's my stab at re-designing Worg:
http://orgmode.org/tmp/worg/

I think a good addition to Worg would be the option to view it with or
without the javascript section folding.  I personally prefer the entire
web page to be visible without clicking.  Is there a way to do this I'm
not aware of?

Regards,
Jason

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Re: [Orgmode] Re: Worg needs some reorganizing

2011-01-16 Thread Jason Dunsmore

Eric Schulte schulte.e...@gmail.com writes:

 Jason Dunsmore emacs-orgm...@dunsmor.com writes:

 Eric Schulte schulte.e...@gmail.com writes:

 I recall a discussion of holding a competition to select a new css style
 for Worg (found it here [1]).  I think that such a change could
 fruitfully be combined with the Worg re-organization.

 I'm not a web-designer, but here's my stab at re-designing Worg:
 http://orgmode.org/tmp/worg/


 Nice, here's my minimal stylesheet contribution -- most notable for the
 expandable TOC in the corner.  The source is below [1] and the resulting
 style.css is attached below [2]

I've uploaded yours to:
http://orgmode.org/tmp/worg-eric/

So far we have option #1:

http://orgmode.org/tmp/worg/
http://orgmode.org/tmp/worg.css

and option #2:

http://orgmode.org/tmp/worg-eric/
http://orgmode.org/tmp/worg-eric.css

I didn't copy the images, so there will be some broken image links.

If anybody else wants to contribute one, here are a few commands to get
you started:

--8---cut here---start-8---
cd /tmp
wget http://orgmode.org/tmp/worg.tar.gz
tar zxvf worg.tar.gz
cd worg
wget http://orgmode.org/tmp/worg.css
find . -type f -exec sed -i 's|/worg/worg.css|worg.css|' '{}' \;
--8---cut here---end---8---

Then edit worg.css, view file:///tmp/worg/index.html in your browser to
see your changes take effect, and, when finished, send me the css file.

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Re: [Orgmode] Re: Worg needs some reorganizing

2011-01-16 Thread Jason Dunsmore

Eric Schulte schulte.e...@gmail.com writes:

 and option #2:

 http://orgmode.org/tmp/worg-eric/
 http://orgmode.org/tmp/worg-eric.css


 Thanks for putting this up, I see a problem in the current stylesheet,
 could you please apply the attached alternate version?

Okay, I uploaded the new version.

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[Orgmode] Org-mode development workflow with Git

2011-01-12 Thread Jason Dunsmore

Hello,

I've been trying to fix more of the Org-mode issues I come across.  This
led me to a particular Git workflow that I documented on my blog:

http://blog.dunsmor.com/2011/01/keeping-a-private-development-branch-in-git-using-multiple-remotes/

I'd be interested to hear about other workflows or how mine might be
improved.

Regards,
Jason

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Re: [Orgmode] [PATCH] Preserve trailing blank lines

2011-01-11 Thread Jason Dunsmore

Carsten Dominik carsten.domi...@gmail.com writes:

 On Jan 5, 2011, at 2:24 AM, Jason Dunsmore wrote:

 I like to leave a blank line at the end of items that have bodies,
 but I
 found functions like org-metaup, org-metadown, and org-refile were
 leaving that blank line behind.

 These commands treat empty lines as belonging to the entry
 below the empty line - which is, I think, the right convention here.

I now understand this is a formatting convention issue.  Here is an
updated patch that looks at the setting for `heading' in the variable
org-blank-before-new-entry:

diff --git a/lisp/org.el b/lisp/org.el
index 98c85d0..ee3f873 100644
--- a/lisp/org.el
+++ b/lisp/org.el
@@ -18477,7 +18477,9 @@ Taken from `count' in cl-seq.el with all keyword
argumen
   Move backwards over whitespace, to the beginning of the first empty
   line.
 Returns the number of empty lines passed.
   (let ((pos (point)))
-(skip-chars-backward  \t\n\r)
+(if (cdr (assoc 'heading org-blank-before-new-entry))
+   (skip-chars-backward  \t\n\r)
+  (forward-line -1))
 (beginning-of-line 2)
 (goto-char (min (point) pos))
 (count-lines (point) pos)))

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[Orgmode] Re: IMPORTANT: Migration of org-mode.git to the new server on sunday 5pm-7pm CET (UTC+1)

Achim Gratz strom...@nexgo.de writes:

 Bastien bastien.gue...@wikimedia.fr writes:
 Please report any problem while pulling or cloning!

 All branches except master have disappeared.  Most notably, the maint
 branch is missing (I've only had master and maint cloned locally).

My bad.  I used git-clone with the --bare option instead of --mirror
when cloning from repo.or.cz.  It's fixed now.  Thanks for catching
this!

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[Orgmode] Re: IMPORTANT: Migration of org-mode.git to the new server on sunday 5pm-7pm CET (UTC+1)

Konrad Hinsen konrad.hin...@fastmail.net writes:

 On 9 Jan 2011, at 17:05, Bastien wrote:

 If you already have a clone, please update your refs like this:

  ~$ cd your-existing-org-mode-repo/
  ~$ git config remote.origin.url git://orgmode.org/org-mode.git

 Is there an http version as well, for those of us behind nasty
 firewalls? I tried replacing git: by http:, but that doesn't seem to
 yield a valid repo URL.

Hi Konrad,

I just made the org-mode repo available via HTTP.  Try running:

git clone http://orgmode.org/org-mode.git

Regards,
Jason

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[Orgmode] Re: IMPORTANT: Migration of org-mode.git to the new server on sunday 5pm-7pm CET (UTC+1)

Jambunathan K kjambunat...@gmail.com writes:

 Browser displays loopback address as title of the above URL.

This is because Gitweb requests are being proxied through Nginx to a
CGI-capable web server listening on localhost.  Fixed the title:

--8---cut here---start-8---
# diff gitweb.cgi{~,}
50,51c50
 our $site_name = 
  || ($ENV{'SERVER_NAME'} || Untitled) .  Git;
---
 our $site_name = Git;
--8---cut here---end---8---

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