Re: [O] MobileOrg does not sync with local Android calendar

[Brian van den Broek]

On Feb 1, 2016 5:21 AM, "Karl Voit"  wrote:
>
> btw, MobileOrg Android v0.9.13
>
> * Ramon Diaz-Uriarte  wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, 01-02-2016, at 12:11, Karl Voit  wrote:
> >>



> >> Maybe it has something to do with my disabled sync settings: I don't
> >> sync to the Google cloud.
> >
> > Aha, I think this is probably needed. I think I only get entries
updated if
> > I enable syncing of the calendar (but you can decide what you sync with
> > google --- no need to sync everything, from email to contacts to ).
>
> OK, then MobileOrg -> Calendar feature is of no use to me since I
> avoid the Google cloud.
>



> OK, at least I got a confirmation that MobileOrg needs this cloud
> sync stuff. How unfortunate.

I use an app (from the Play Store) called Offline Calendar. It makes Google
calendars that do not sync. I have mobile org write to a calendar it
creates and never sync calendars on my phone or tablet. It works on my
nexus 7 and my Moto G. It also worked on the Nexus 4 and an ancient 2.x
Android Samsung phone.

Best,

Brian vdB

Re: [O] World Cup 2014 Schedule for Org-mode

[Brian van den Broek]

On Jun 13, 2014 8:44 AM, Thorsten Jolitz tjol...@gmail.com wrote:

 Even this is not accurate, because without that penalty the game might
 have taken a completely different direction. Maybe change it to

 Brazil+Referee vs Croatia: 3-1

Well, if we are going to start counting that way, Brazil+Referee vs
Croatia+Brazil: 3-1, surely :-)

Best,

Brian vdB

Re: [O] Possible bug - shifting headline - hashmark and what follows is considered part of headline that is shifted

[Brian van den Broek]

On May 23, 2014 12:02 PM, Charles Millar mill...@verizon.net wrote:

 Hi Bastien,

 Bastien wrote:

 Hi Charles,

 Charles Millar mill...@verizon.net writes:

 If I attempt to move headline 2b above 2a (M-up)

 * 1
 ** 2a
 ** 2b

 #  LocalWords:   

 the result is

 * 1
 ** 2b

 #  LocalWords:   Y
 ** 2a


 Yes, #  LocalWords:   Y is part of the ** 2b headline.

 Should it be as such, since # LocalWords since it is associated with
ispell/flyspell and really has nothing to do with headline ** 2b?

 Of course what I neglected to mention was that I would expect, which
would be

 * 1
 ** 2b
 ** 2a

 #  LocalWords:   Y

 Regards,
 Charlie

Hi Charlie and all,

As I understand the parsing of an org file, if you have a heading of level
n, everything below it until a heading of level m, m  n, is it its
subtree. Org doesn't know that you want that line at the bottom of buffer
(say) and not associated with the current headline and current active
subtrees.

Many of my org files have a final top level config headline to hold various
in-buffer settings. Would that work for your case?

Best,

Brian vdB

Re: [O] Index of cases

[Brian van den Broek]

On Sep 9, 2013 3:14 AM, Alan L Tyree alanty...@gmail.com wrote:

snip

 At least a lot of simple editors (the software) are LaTeX aware, so my
editor (the human being) should be able to handle it.

I don't know it well, but Lyx http://wiki.lyx.org/FAQ/LyX purports to
almost be LaTeX and almost be WYSIWYG, so that might be an editor to try
for those who will find markup scary.

HTH,

Brian vdB

Re: [O] LaTex Adjustments for Org-Export

[Brian van den Broek]

On Jul 31, 2013 8:28 AM, Jeff Rush jr...@taupro.com wrote:

 I'm trying to export a .org file to .pdf and although I've gotten past
 many formatting hurdles, I am stuck on two problems.


snip


 2) How can I change the basic formatting of paragraphs everywhere to

  a) omit the leading indent, and
  b) have a blank line between paragraphs

 Instead of this strange-looking style:

 This is a test paragraph
 of the following kind of thing.
 And so is this one.

 I want it to look like this:

 This is a test paragraph
 of the following kind of thing.
   And so is this one.

Hi all,

(Catching up on the traffic, so a bit late to the thread.)

I don't use org's export facilities, so I am not sure how and where to
object this into org's export process. But, the LaTeX way is to use the
parskip package.

Please do reconsider, though. Just about every book on my shelves follows
what you label a 'strange style,' for the good reason that the style you
favour can result in ambiguity. (A paragraph that ends a page, takes up the
entire last line and is followed by a new paragraph cannot be distinguished
from a paragraph that spans the page break.)

Best,

Brian vdB

Re: [O] LaTex Adjustments for Org-Export

[Brian van den Broek]

On Aug 3, 2013 9:26 PM, John Hendy jw.he...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 3:49 PM, Brian van den Broek
 brian.van.den.br...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  On Jul 31, 2013 8:28 AM, Jeff Rush jr...@taupro.com wrote:
 
  I'm trying to export a .org file to .pdf and although I've gotten past
  many formatting hurdles, I am stuck on two problems.
 
 
  snip
 
 
  2) How can I change the basic formatting of paragraphs everywhere to
 
   a) omit the leading indent, and
   b) have a blank line between paragraphs
 
  Instead of this strange-looking style:
 
  This is a test paragraph
  of the following kind of thing.
  And so is this one.
 
  I want it to look like this:
 
  This is a test paragraph
  of the following kind of thing.
And so is this one.
 
  Hi all,
 
  (Catching up on the traffic, so a bit late to the thread.)
 
  I don't use org's export facilities, so I am not sure how and where to
  object this into org's export process. But, the LaTeX way is to use the
  parskip package.
 
  Please do reconsider, though. Just about every book on my shelves
follows
  what you label a 'strange style,' for the good reason that the style you
  favour can result in ambiguity. (A paragraph that ends a page, takes up
the
  entire last line and is followed by a new paragraph cannot be
distinguished
  from a paragraph that spans the page break.)
 


snip

 That was [mostly] a joke. I'm actually not clear from the text above
 what is desired. The description says no leading indent and blank
 line between, but the example text shows non-indent on first
 paragraph, indent on second (which would void the page-span concern),
 and no line break...

Indeed it does. I missed that reading on my phone. I don't see how I can
blame my strange typo on that though, so perhaps I ought just give up :-)

As I said, I don't export from org to latex, but I am puzzled. The style
you describe (and which the OP appears to display) is what LaTeX does for
me by default. I know that no leading indent and inter-paragraph separation
is a common desire, so I guess I let lazy thinking take over.

 I take it you have literary experience, which I'm glad to have on the
 list. Your comment made me consider that I often fiddle with what
 seems to look nice, overlooking that some of these things have a very
 specific purpose in terms of avoiding ambiguity or what you described
 -- I'd never have thought of that!

I care about typography and have come to embrace that Knuth, Lamport, and
that maintainers of all things TeXnical are rather better at it than am I.
It is hard to resist the urge to fiddle, but I try :-)

Best,

Brian vdB

Re: [O] advice needed: how do you guys sync org files between devices?

[Brian van den Broek]

On Jul 1, 2013 8:26 AM, Xebar Saram zelt...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi all

 I have been using dropbox since i started using orgmode a few weeks ago
(yeah im a neewb :)), which kinda works but i find it very annoying as it
keeps creating conflicted copies, isnt reliable on my Linux main machine
etc etc..

 I was wondering what you guys do for syncing org files between PC's,
Os's, devices (android etc)..

 Best

 Itai

Hi,

For keeping org files in sync between real computers, version control seems
to me the obvious way to go. It gets you sync and history.

There is perhaps a bit of a learning curve, but time spent learning widely
useful tools is time well spent :-)

bzr and hg are (superficially?) easier and git is pretty dominant.

For Android, mobile org push to android has worked for me (syncing over SD
rather than the cloud or WebDAV). Pulling from Android hasn't been reliable
enough for me to use it.

HTH,

Brian vdB

Re: [O] Release 8.0

[Brian van den Broek]

On 18 Apr 2013 18:05, Carsten Dominik carsten.domi...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 18.4.2013, at 18:41, Bastien b...@gnu.org wrote:

  Dear all,
 
  I'm releasing Org 8.0.

 This is a beautiful release.  Just reading the list of changes wets
 my appetite to try it all out.  A looong list con contributors.

 Thanks to you all for your contributions!

An intimidatingly long list of changes, actually. :-)

For what it is worth, I think if Bastien erred in the list of contributors
he thanked, it was on the side of over-inclusion, rather than under. In the
last year or so, I think I've contributed a tiny change doc patch, a bug
report or two, and a few Please, could someone magically make it work like
this? messages, yet I find myself included.

Congrats and thanks to all who helped in whatever way. The efforts from the
heroic and steady to minor and irregular have all helped to make my life
better.

Best,

Brian vdB

Re: [O] blank todo kw does not delete closed ts

[Brian van den Broek]

On 12 Apr 2013 11:58, Bastien b...@gnu.org wrote:

 Hi Samuel,

 I'm convinved now, and switching to state without any TODO keyword
 will now remove the CLOSED planning information.

 Thanks,

 --
  Bastien

Hi Bastien and all,

I am afriad you saw this coming:

Could that be an option? I actively would want to preserve the closed note
to keep an accurate history of my work with the task.

Best,

Brian vdB

Re: [O] New logo

[Brian van den Broek]

On 1 April 2013 13:20, Bastien b...@altern.org wrote:
 Hi all,

 I've been trying hard to enhance the logo for the release of 8.0
 and I gather that my attempts failed so far.  So instead of trying
 to change the colors and the shape, I suddenly realized we could
 simply find... a *better* animal.

 What is the most appropriate symbol of why we all use Org-mode?

 Yes, procrastination.  Fiddling with Emacs instead of achieving
 the work we need to achieve.  Trying to convince ourselves that
 this tiny Org feature will make us more proficient at our jobs,
 instead of simply working.

 I asked many Org friends during the last few weeks, and we all
 agreed that an ostrich might be a good candidate.

 So here it is -- I just updated the website accordingly:

   http://orgmode.org

 I did spent a lot of time and energy on deciding this, and this
 is not only me, but also many Org users I've asked, so please do
 not discuss this change.

 Hope you'll get used to it!

 Best,

 --
  Bastien


Oh, +1. No, strike that. +4

Best,

Brian vdB

Re: [O] New logo

[Brian van den Broek]

On 1 Apr 2013 14:23, Evan Misshula evanmissh...@gmail.com wrote:

  I did spent a lot of time and energy on deciding this, and this
  is not only me, but also many Org users I've asked, so please do
  not discuss this change.

 Seems like an April fools joke.  Of course we will discuss. :-P


 On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 2:16 PM, Brian van den Broek 
brian.van.den.br...@gmail.com wrote:

snip

 Oh, +1. No, strike that. +4

 Best,

 Brian vdB

That's not in keeping with the spirit of the thing. Knowing allusions (as
above) are fine, but overtly pointing it? That's not cricket!

Brian vdB

Re: [O] ostrich mascott but with reading glasses (was: Re: New logo)

[Brian van den Broek]

On 1 Apr 2013 14:36, Gregor Zattler telegr...@gmx.net wrote:

snip

 The more conservative org-mode users may argue -- and in sharp
 contrast to our benevolent dictator Bastien I encourage everyone
 to argue over everything -- that ostrichs typically are portrayed
 with their head in the sand.  Being in harmonic mode at the
 moment I would propose as a compromise that the ostrich wears
 reading glasses while stuck with the head in the sand.

It is a non-problem. After all, glass is made of sand!

Best,

Brian vdB

Re: [O] [html] nil getting inserted

[Brian van den Broek]

On 19 March 2013 20:24, Samuel Wales samolog...@gmail.com wrote:
 I am getting this diff in HTML output in recent git master.  I don't
 think I changed anything and I have no filters for links.  I haven't
 tried it in emacs -Q though.

 Note the nil before the .

 ===
 -severe to any person who is not a
 href=http://thekafkapandemic.blogspot.com/2012/04/misopathy.html;misopathic/a,
 but they are
 +severe to any person who is not a
 href=http://thekafkapandemic.blogspot.com/2012/04/misopathy.htmlnilmisopathic/a,
 but they are
 ===

 Thanks.

 Samuel


Samuel,

Did you see the recent thread
http://article.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode/68325? I don't export
so I don't claim to know, but that suggests a pull might contain a
fix.

Best,

Brian vdB

Re: [O] Repeated tasks, but only for a limited period (of time)

[Brian van den Broek]

On 12 March 2013 11:06, Rick Hanson cryptor...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi everyone,

 I've already RTFMed for this, but I still don't see how to do the following.

 Fact: I can add a repeater to a time stamp (like +1d) in org-mode so that
 a task shows up in my agenda as an every day item.

 Question: Can I restrict this repetition to, say, 1 week?

 For instance, I have a task I have to perform every day this week, /but only
 for this week/.  So if I were to pull up my agenda for this week, I should
 see the task posted every day of this week, but if I then hit the f key to
 go forward a week, I should *not* see that task in this (the following)
 week.

 This is a not deal-breaker if not possible.  I can just get rid if the task
 at the end of the week (but it's state, of course, that I have to keep in my
 mind, instead of committing it to the magic of org-mode).

 Thanks a lot of any help!  (My apologies if it's in the manual and I missed
 it.)

 Best, --Rick


Hi Rick,

I know of no way to do exactly what you are after. But, for things
like that, I make one headline task and then apply M-x
org-clone-subtree-with-time-shift to get the desired number of
distinct tasks. Perhaps that will suit your needs.

Best,

Brian vdB

Re: [O] Create course material with org-mode

[Brian van den Broek]

On 9 March 2013 17:21, Torsten Wagner torsten.wag...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi,

 I plan to create new course materials for teaching at university level.

snip

 I'm looking for a system which enables me to keep all materials together and
 to reuse as much as possible the same source files.

 E.g., for a particular topic, I would love to create all the above materials
 within a single file. This would help me to keep it among all materials
 coherent, correct errors and do updates effectively and save (hopefully) a
 lot of time.


Hi Torsten,

I thought I'd muddy your waters by throwing a contrary voice into the mix :-)

I've been refining the way I manage my college and uni teaching with
org for 5+ years, now. I am making extensive use of the scheduling and
TODO functionality. I am not storing course materials in the org
files. I found that I could not get by with just one teaching.org
file, but instead needed to break out each class into its own org
file. With everything in one, even on my pretty beefy box (quad core
i7, 8GB RAM) there was too much of a periodic lag when editing the org
file for that to be comfortable. On my netbook (which I take to the
office as the College insists I need a Windows box on my desk), the
lag made working with the file far too painful. I've not tried putting
my (extensive) LaTeX beamer slides sources, exams, etc. into the org
files, but I fear the lag would again occur.

I've been keeping all course related material other than the org files
which manage scheduling into a seperate directory under git version
control and I link from the org file's scheduled tasks to the relevant
course related materials. It seems to be working in that I am halfway
through the term and am at most a week behind :-) Having those
materials in nested dirs in the filesystem is helpful, too; it allows
granular use of things like $git log . and that often gives me a
better sense of what I've been up to than would running git log
against one monster all in org file.

I don't however too much by way of multiple outputs derived from
common sources. I let LaTeX beamer's facilities take care of prodicing
a display and a downloadable version of my slides. That just needs two
short master files which \include the body of the slides. What
duplication I have is in things like tests and paper topics when I
have multiple sections of the same course in a term, differing only in
section numbers and dates. The duplication is a bit inellegant, but it
is not extensive enough for me to worry about the overhead of avoiding
it. And, disk space is approximately free, at least if one is worried
about having duplicates of latex sources that generate a few pages.

HTH,

Brian vdB

Re: [O] Has anybody noticed ellipses instead of the top line of the window?

[Brian van den Broek]

On 6 December 2012 19:43, Brian van den Broek
brian.van.den.br...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 6 Dec 2012 13:46, Samuel Wales samolog...@gmail.com wrote:

 Has anybody encountered ellipses instead of the first line of the window?

 On 8/21/12, Samuel Wales samolog...@gmail.com wrote:
  === beginning of window
  ...
  *** Above all
  Above all, it is a collapse of the uneasy and corrupt

 I have. Haven't noticed a pattern; I always get mildly concerned and often
 am motivated to reassure myself there's be no data loss. Never has been.



Hi all,

I've found one repeatable way to generate these unwanted ellipses.

I have an org file with two top-level headings. The second is small
and containing only a few lines of text. The first is huge and has a
crypt tag and thus is encrypted with org-crypt. (For obvious reasons,
I am unwilling to post the file.)

Steps:

1) Visit the file
2) Call org-decrypt-entry on the crypt heading
3) Follow a link at the top of the crypt tree to a heading deep within
that tree. Ensure that it is not the case that the entire tree is
expanded (decription occurs below)
4) Edit somewhere in the heading
5) Save the file (C-x C-s). This causes the heading to be encrypted again.
6) M-x undo to restore the file to its unencrypted state.
7) Observe that the top of the buffer has the ellipses and all data
before the heading being edited can no longer be seen.

The file looks roughly like:

# -*- buffer-auto-save-file-name: nil; -*-

Two lines of description not in any heading

* vault :crypt:

** Quick links

** stuff

** other stuff

** still more stuff

** more stuff still


Each of the various stuff headings (there are plenty more) may have
several layers of descendant headings. In the Quick links heading
there are org links to the most used headings. At step (3) in the
recipe above, I expand the Quick links heading and follow one of the
links there which points to a heading buried within the tree. I hit
TAB to expand that heading. (It has siblings both before and after.)
There is a `...' at the end of the heading when it is expanded. The
ellipses observed at (7) seem to appear either before the heading that
follows the top level tree that I edited (so, right before `more stuff
still' if I edited a tree several layers in `still more stuff' *or*
immediately before all of the body text of the headline that I edited
and taking the place of the subtree headline to which the link that I
followed points. (I've not discerned a pattern, but it seems to depend
upon the expansion state around the edit or the location of the cursor
when I save; I am not sure, though.) Either way, M-x
beginning-of-buffer never takes me past the `...'.

Following the same steps but first ensuring that the entire tree is
fully expanded does not result in the `...'.

I hope both that my description is tolerably clear and that it is some
help in the ellipses bug hunt.

Best,

Brian vdB

[O] internal links not being followed; instead, offer to create new heading

[Brian van den Broek]

Hi all,

I am having trouble with following internal org links. After carefully
reading the documentation (especially 4.2 Internal Links
http://orgmode.org/org.html#Internal-links) with the following
test.org file, I would expect that C-c C-o on the link text in the bar
tree would jump to the corresponding text in the foo tree.

#+BEGIN_EXAMPLE
* foo

  a string to search for

* bar

  [[string to search]]
#+END_EXAMPLE

Instead, what occurs is that I get the following in the Messages
buffer:

#+BEGIN_QUOTE
Position saved to mark ring, go back with C-c .
No match - create this as a new heading? (y or n)
org-link-search: No match
#+END_QUOTE

where the last line appears after I hit `n' in respond to the prompt.

This works as expected with a minimal init loading org 6.33 that
shipped with my Emacs.

I have tried it with the following minimal init:

#+BEGIN_SRC emacs-lisp
(setq load-path (cons /home/brian/code/foreign/org-mode/lisp load-path))
(setq load-path (cons /home/brian/code/foreign/org-mode/contrib/lisp
load-path))

(add-to-list 'auto-mode-alist '(\\.org\\' . org-mode))

(global-set-key \C-cl 'org-store-link)
(global-set-key \C-cc 'org-capture)
(global-set-key \C-ca 'org-agenda)
(global-set-key \C-cb 'org-iswitchb)

(setq org-directory /home/brian/docs/org)
(setq org-default-notes-file ~/docs/org/inbox.org)
#+END_SRC

My emacs and org:

Org-mode version 7.9.3e (7.9.3e-973-gba38de @
/home/brian/code/foreign/org-mode/lisp/)
GNU Emacs 23.2.1 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.20.1) of
2012-08-24 on trouble, modified by Debian

I don't rule out that I have misunderstood something, but the observed
behaviour doesn't match (how I understand) the documented behaviour.

Thanks and best,

Brian vdB

Re: [O] internal links not being followed; instead, offer to create new heading

[Brian van den Broek]

On 10 February 2013 16:21, John Hendy jw.he...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 12:53 PM, Brian van den Broek
 brian.van.den.br...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi all,

 I am having trouble with following internal org links. After carefully
 reading the documentation (especially 4.2 Internal Links
 http://orgmode.org/org.html#Internal-links) with the following
 test.org file, I would expect that C-c C-o on the link text in the bar
 tree would jump to the corresponding text in the foo tree.

 I'd never heard of being able to do this, so I read the documentation
 as well and this how I parsed it:

 - Is link text a URL?
   - If yes - open url
   - If no, check current file

 - Is link text a custom ID?
   - If yes - go to headline with matching ID
   - If no, check for custom target

 - Is there a match between [[link text]] and an occurrence of link
 text (dedicated target)?
   - If yes - go to the dedicated target location
   - If no, check file type

 - Is this a .org file?
   - If yes, check for a *headline* (or possibly keywords/tags)
 matching the [[link text]] [1]
   - If no, conduct a string search for the [[link text]]

 [1] Quote: If no dedicated target exists, Org will search for a
 headline that is exactly the link text but may also include a TODO
 keyword and tags

snip

 1) The documentation is incorrect (maybe), or
 2) I don't know how to do C-c C-o provided by Org in a non-org file
 correctly (more probable)


snip


Hi John,

Thanks for the reply.

This prodded me to investigate more thoroughly (and to learn how to
use git bisect). I had observed that org 6.33 behaved as I expected
from looking at the documentation.

Bisecting led to:

commit a84c8a2cba8c510acfa0c14487f6c993f664a406
Author: Carsten Dominik carsten.domi...@gmail.com
Date:   Fri Aug 6 08:34:33 2010 +0200

Make internal links in Org files search for an exact headline match

* lisp/org.el (org-link-search-must-match-exact-headline): New option.
(org-link-search-inhibit-query): New variable.
(org-link-search): Search for exact headline match in Org files
* doc/org.texi (Internal links): Document the changes in internal links.

Internal links used to do a fuzzy text search for the link text.  This
patch changes the behavior for Org files.  Here a link [[My Target]]
now searches for an exact headline match, i.e. for a headline that
does look like * My Target, optionally with TODO keyword, priority
cookie and tags.

The new option `org-link-search-must-match-exact-headline' is
`query-to-create' by default.  This means that a failed link search
will offer to create the headline as a top-level headline at the end
of the buffer.  This corresponds to a wiki-like behavior where missing
targets are automatically created.  If you do not like this behavior,
change the option to t.


The commit alters the docs, evidently intending them to be read as you
(John) read them. I'd argue that this wasn't entirely pulled off, as
the passage Links such as ‘[[My Target]]’ or ‘[[My Target][Find my
target]]’ lead to a text search in the current file combined with my
memory of how org used to work gave me a different expectation.

At any rate, to my cursory testing,

(setq org-link-search-must-match-exact-headline nil)

in my .emacs appears to make org behave as I expect it to.

Thanks and best,

Brian vdB

[O] C-u C-c C-t not behaving as documented

[Brian van den Broek]

Hi all,

I have

(setq org-todo-keywords
   '((sequence TODO(t!) STARTED(s!) WAITING(w@/@) | DONE(d@/@)
   CANCELLED(c@/@) DEFERRED(D@/@

in my .emacs.

In http://orgmode.org/org.html#TODO-basics I read

C-u C-c C-t
Select a specific keyword using completion or (if it has been set
up) the fast selection interface.
For the latter, you need to assign keys to TODO states, see
Per-file keywords, and Setting
tags, for more information.

When I hit C-u C-c C-t on a headline, the result is that the headline
cycles through my TODO states (as defined above). In effect, C-u C-c
C-t behaves as C-c C-t is documented to.

I've checked through my org configuration for other settings that
affect todo sequences and states and don't think I've got anything
that accounts for this.

I'm perfectly happy with the behaviour I observe. But, it isn't what
one would expect from reading the docs. (I suspect that the docs might
not have been updated when org-todo-keywords was introduced. Or, as
has happened before, I've misunderstood something.)

Org-mode version 7.9.2 (7.9.2-dist @ /home/brian/.emacsd/site-lisp/org/)
Mark set
GNU Emacs 23.2.1 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.20.1) of
2010-12-11 on brahms, modified by Debian

Best,

Brian vdB

Re: [O] Org Mobile and Adroid 2.3.6

[Brian van den Broek]

On 2 Jan 2013 07:49, Martin Butz m...@mkblog.org wrote:

 Hello,

 in case anyone is interested, here is a short report what I found out:

 + I tested mobileorg on my Android phone without encryption and with
synchronization via Ubuntu one. Seems to work. However: I do not want to
store unencrypted org-files on a remote server.

snip

 + Nevertheless it's very tempting to have all my org-notes and schedules
on my phone. I will wait until I can manage to make sure that encryption is
being used.

 Thanks
 Martin

snip

Hi Martin,

Have you considered using the SD card for syncing? It is a bit more of a
hassle than syncing with a server, but it works well enough to satisfy this
owner of a tin foil hat :-)

Best,

Brian vdB

Re: [O] Org Mobile and Adroid 2.3.6

[Brian van den Broek]

On 2 January 2013 11:29, Martin Butz m...@mkblog.org wrote:
 Hi Brian,

 Am 02.01.2013 16:36, schrieb Brian van den Broek:

 [...]


 Have you considered using the SD card for syncing? It is a bit more of a
 hassle than syncing with a server, but it works well enough to satisfy
 this
 owner of a tin foil hat :-)


 yes and no;) I briefly thought of it and might give it a try.

 Anyway, both solutions bring up a more general issue which I haven't really
 thought of, since I owned the smartphone only recently: the encryption of
 all relevant data on the smartphone (which to me seems even more important,
 if I carry my org-mode files on a phone).

 But this is beyond this list...

 Nevertheless I am courious: Do you encrypt your data in case of loss of the
 phone?


Hi Martin and all,

[This may be veering off topic; if anyone minds, please feel free to
let me know.]

Any data that is truly private is encrypted within org using
org-crypt. None of that is in my agenda files, so those files never
make their way to the phone. A purely phone encyption solution would
not work for me as I almost always take my netbook with my full suite
or org files in to work. My office is secure enough that I will leave
the netbook there from time to time, but not so secure that I am
willing to have the truly private data live on in unencrypted. (It
does have full disk encryption, but in a triumph of ease over
security, I often leave the netbook suspended, thus leaving the disk
unlocked.)

I use mobile-org primary to sync with the phone's own calendar (and
thus to get notifications for tasks and appointments ithout obviously
sharing my details with google) and, since recent versions of mobile
org for Android enabled this to work for me, quick capture on the
phone. With the small screen and my usually having a proper computer
at hand, I don't consult my org files on the phone very often. At
least on my form-factor of phone, the mobile org for Android UI makes
reading org files there a bit awkward.

If I know that I have data stored in org that I will need to consult
on the phone, I usually copy paste into some another app that makes it
easier to read on the go. I have had success with both Wikilin
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mosharu.wikilinhl=en
and Simple Notepad
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.mightyfrog.android.simplenotepadfeature=search_result#?t=W251bGwsMSwxLDEsIm9yZy5taWdodHlmcm9nLmFuZHJvaWQuc2ltcGxlbm90ZXBhZCJd.
Sadly, neither is FLOSS.

The UI of Wikilin isn't as good for reading on the phone as is Simple
Notepad, but its data files are stored as plain text on the SD card
making editing them from a real computer much easier.

HTH,

Brian vdB

Re: [O] Bug: In list with checkboxes, meta-RET should add a checkbox for the next entry. [7.9.2 (7.9.2-dist @ /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/org/)]

[Brian van den Broek]

On 30 Dec 2012 05:30, Bastien b...@altern.org wrote:

 Hi Arne,

 Arne Babenhauserheide arne_...@web.de writes:

  So I would love to see org-mode adding the checkbox by default, when I
  am on a list entry which has a checkbox.

 Try S-M-RET.

 This is consistent with the behavior of M-RET and S-M-RET on headlines,

Hi all,

If I am adding an item to a plain list, almost always I want the added item
to agree with the item beneath which it will occur on the presence of
checkboxes.

So, I think that it would be more useful were M-RET to create a new item
that has or does not have a checkbox present depending on whether it is
invoked in a plain list item with or without a checkbox. Likewise S-M-RET
could differ from the item at which is called with respect to checkbox
presence.

The downsides are this behaviour is more complex and likely would disturb
some orgers' muscle memories. So, I'm not pushing hard but throwing it out
there to see if it sticks :-)

Best,

Brian vdB

Re: [O] Adding tags when capturing?

[Brian van den Broek]

On 20 Dec 2012 06:56, Richard Riley rile...@gmail.com wrote:

snip context

 What would be nice would for org-tag-alist to allow org files to be
 included so all tags in those were enabled too.

Oh, yes please!

Brian vdB

Re: [O] clocking ongoing items

[Brian van den Broek]

On 14 Dec 2012 01:52, Rainer Stengele rainer.steng...@online.de wrote:

 Hi all!

 I wonder how others are clocking ongoing isues, which are not really
todos but more like issues collecting clocked time for work done
regularly.
 Example: Reading mail and organising daily priorities of tasks.
 This todo will not finish very soon.
 I want this item to be clocked daily but do not want it to look like a
standard todo.

Hi Rainer,

Why do you not want them as TODOs? I had thought I didn't but came to
believe I was over-complicating things.

I have a number of daily and weekly tasks of this sort (these include your
examples), and they are genuinely things I need to do :-) They have
appropriate repeater cookies in the scheduled lines and it works just fine.
Well enough that I've forgotten the reasons for which I resisted treating
them as TODO items in the first place.

Best,

Brian vdB

Re: [O] The statement on what is orgmode.

[Brian van den Broek]

On 6 December 2012 10:03, Jambunathan K kjambunat...@gmail.com wrote:

snip

 When description becomes boring what is needed is a catchy phrase that
 stirs up imagination.

 Free/Libre Digital diary for DIY nuts/ Gen Z geeks/ nerds


Tongue only half-in cheek:

Org-mode: the text editor's best chance at achieving the singularity

Best,

Brian vdB

Re: [O] Has anybody noticed ellipses instead of the top line of the window?

[Brian van den Broek]

On 6 Dec 2012 13:46, Samuel Wales samolog...@gmail.com wrote:

 Has anybody encountered ellipses instead of the first line of the window?

 On 8/21/12, Samuel Wales samolog...@gmail.com wrote:
  === beginning of window
  ...
  *** Above all
  Above all, it is a collapse of the uneasy and corrupt

I have. Haven't noticed a pattern; I always get mildly concerned and often
am motivated to reassure myself there's be no data loss. Never has been.

Best,

Brian vdB

[O] mobileorg for android: perhaps best to wait on an update

[Brian van den Broek]

Hi all,

mobileorg for android 0.9.5 came out a few days ago. Looks like
there's been a lot of forward movement, and that's just great. Less
great is that it busted calendar sync up pretty badly:
https://github.com/matburt/mobileorg-android/issues/305. Just thought
I'd try to save others on the list the hassle.

Best,

Brian vdB

Re: [O] sticky agenda and clock persistence interaction

[Brian van den Broek]

On 21 September 2012 09:37, Bastien b...@altern.org wrote:
 Hi Brian,

 Brian van den Broek brian.van.den.br...@gmail.com writes:

 I just found that if I have

 (setq org-agenda-sticky t)
 (org-clock-persistence-insinuate)

 in my .emacs---or rather in a file that my .emacs invokes with
 load-library---I get

 Warning (initialization): An error occurred while loading 
 `/home/brian/.emacs':

 Symbol's function definition is void: org-toggle-sticky-agenda

 If you are not requiring Org anyhow, org-agenda-sticky will not be
 known.

 What if you do

 (require 'org-install)
 (setq org-agenda-sticky t)
 (org-clock-persistence-insinuate)

 ?

Hi Bastien,

(After the bad website report, I'm pleased to see I've not done
anything so silly this time :-)

I have a file, ogrconf.el that gets loaded by my .emacs. It starts
with (require 'org-install). So, the error I reported emerged from
what you suggest, save that I have a few hundred lines of config
between the require and the sticky and persistence lines.

I just tested, and if I start out my orgconf.el with

(require 'org-install)
(setq org-agenda-sticky t)
(org-clock-persistence-insinuate)

(thus, putting the relevant lines before any of my other org
configuration) I get the same warning I reported in the original post.
I've not done the backtrace assuming that the same warning with pretty
much the same cause would have the same backtrace; I'm happy to
provide if it is wanted.

 The backtrace from running with --debug-init is attached.

 (Btw, there is a suspicious ~/.emacsd/ here -- not ~/.emacs.d/.
 Looks weird but maybe that's intentional.)

It's intentional. At some point, my .emacs became unwieldy. I
separated my config into a bunch of files which .emacs loads and put
them into a user-created dir ~/.emacsd,  leaving ~/.emacs.d for emacs
to have its way with. I prefer to enforce separation between files I
administer and those under emacs's control.

Best,

Brian

Re: [O] org-refile failing

[Brian van den Broek]

On 5 Sep 2012 19:59, Marcelo de Moraes Serpa celose...@gmail.com wrote:

 Sorry Bastien, should have included it before.

 Emacs:
 GNU Emacs 23.4.1 (x86_64-apple-darwin, NS apple-appkit-1038.36) of
2012-01-29 on bob.porkrind.org

 Org:
 Org-mode version 7.9.1 (release_7.9.1-145-g0a6165-git @ mixed
installation! /Applications/Emacs.app/Contents/Resources/lisp/org/ and
/Users/fullofcaffeine/.emacs.d/vendor/org/lisp/)

Hi all,

I don't have any specific light to shed on the OP's issue. But i did notice
the discussion seemed to miss the above which itself can many problems
cause.

Best,

Brian vdB

Re: [O] Report on package Org-mode version N/A (N/A @ c:/cygwin/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/org/)

[Brian van den Broek]

On 26 August 2012 08:07, Robert Adesam rob...@adesam.se wrote:
 Remember to cover the basics, that is, what you expected to happen and
 what in fact did happen.  You don't know how to make a good report?  See

  http://orgmode.org/manual/Feedback.html#Feedback

 Your bug report will be posted to the Org-mode mailing list.
 

 The variable org-version not set properly in orgmode 7.9 installing on
 emacs 24.1 with cygwin on windows 7, suspect the new build system as
 this was a non-issue with earlier releases...

 yours,
 /robert


Hi Robert,

See the thread http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode/59337
where I posted about the same issue. Achim's reply to my original post
provides the solution.

Best,

Brian vdB

[O] difficulty installing 7.9 with the new build system: org-version not informative

[Brian van den Broek]

Hi all,

tl;dr
I've seemingly managed to install org 7.9, but M-x org-version yields
Org-mode version N/A (N/A @ /home/brian/.emacsd/site-lisp/)

The details:

I've not really been following the new build system discussions, but
was half-ways dreading my first org-mode upgrade unde them :-)

I just downloaded the gz.tar of the newly released 7.9; it untarred to
org-7.9-3-ga986d3.

I did my best to follow the instruction on
http://orgmode.org/manual/Installation.html and in local.mk.

I made the changes:

# Where local software is found
# Note, *not* ~/.emacs.d but ~/.emacsd, a dir I created to store my
personal emacs stuff
prefix  = /home/brian/.emacsd

# Where local lisp files go.
lispdir= $(prefix)/site-lisp

# Where local data files go.
datadir = $(prefix)/etc

# Where info files go.
infodir = $(prefix)/info


ORG_MAKE_DOC = info # html pdf
INSTALL_INFO = ginstall-info # Debian: avoid harmless warning message

(Apart from the ORG_MAKE_DOC setting, these are exactly the changes I
have always made to upgrade from one released version to another. I've
tried multiple times both with and without the ORG_MAKE_DOC and
INSTALL_INFO settings.)

I then ran make help, make config, and make install as instructed.
(After the issue described below, I also deleted everything installed
and tried again with sudo make install achieving the same result.)

Once that was done, I launched a fresh emacs, visited an .org file,
and ran M-x org-version. What I got was:

Org-mode version N/A (N/A @ /home/brian/.emacsd/site-lisp/)

This seems to indicate that something went wrong, somewhere.

I'm pretty sure at least some of org 7.9 got installed. On the newly
installed version, I have org-insert-all-links available (via M-x
org-insert-allTAB) whereas on the previously installed version of
org-mode, tab completion for this command name does not work.

M-x emacs-version yields:
GNU Emacs 23.2.1 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.20.1) of
2010-12-11 on brahms, modified by Debian

~$ make --version
GNU Make 3.81

The first things I have in my .emacs that are org-related are adding
/home/brian/.emacsd/site-lisp to my load path and then (require
'org-install).

I've little doubt it is operator error, but I am at a loss for how to
proceed. Little help?

Thanks and best,

Brian vdB

Re: [O] difficulty installing 7.9 with the new build system: org-version not informative

[Brian van den Broek]

On 25 August 2012 13:24, Achim Gratz strom...@nexgo.de wrote:
 Brian van den Broek writes:
 I've seemingly managed to install org 7.9, but M-x org-version yields
 Org-mode version N/A (N/A @ /home/brian/.emacsd/site-lisp/)

 The details:

 You could've saved yourself a lot of writing if you'd just posted what

 make config-all

 prints out.  But the only way this output from org-verison can be
 produced by a compiled version of Org is if you install with make, but
 without Git (like you later tell us you've done).  In this case, you
 need to tell make the version you're installing since it cannot ask Git
 for it:

 make ORGVERSION=7.9 GITVERSION=org-7.9-3-ga986d3 install


Thanks Achim.

That does seem to fix the manifested problem. (make install-info seems
to leave with with the 6.33x docs, but that's a problem for another
day and thread, I expect.)

Sorry for the verbosity. As I expect is clear, I don't have a good
handle on what is going on and opted for risking too much information
to avoid the need to tease more out of me through a few rounds of
responses.

I would suggest that the installation instructions at
http://orgmode.org/manual/Installation.html#Installation be updated,
as there one finds nothing about the need for ORGVERSION and
GITVERTSION arguments to make. (While I know patches are welcome, I am
reluctant to try to patch docs for an issue that I don't understand
well.)

Thanks and best,

Brian vdB

Re: [O] difficulty installing 7.9 with the new build system: org-version not informative

[Brian van den Broek]

On 25 August 2012 16:12, Bastien b...@altern.org wrote:
 Achim Gratz strom...@nexgo.de writes:

 I would suggest that the installation instructions at
 http://orgmode.org/manual/Installation.html#Installation be updated,
 as there one finds nothing about the need for ORGVERSION and
 GITVERSION arguments to make.

 I hadn't really considered installation from tarballs down to that
 detail.  I may just add some code to recognize that situation and put
 the version information into the tarball itself.

 There is something I don't understand here: the version *is* in
 org-7.9.tar.gz and org-7.9.zip with lisp/org-version.el.

 I assumed that, in the absence of git, `make' would rely on this.

 True?

 --
  Bastien


Hi Bastien,

I don't warrant that all else is in order on my system, but for me, it did not.

Best,

Brian

Re: [O] Timestamp: Forward or backward by a week

[Brian van den Broek]

On 15 May 2012 17:25, SW sabrewo...@gmail.com wrote:

snip

 Aside: Hitting ``M-: (info (emacs) Customizing Key Bindings)`` gives me
an
 error about the info file not existing. I installed Emacs 23.2.1 in
CrunchBang
 Linux (Debian Stable) and (IIRC) org-mode 7.8.06 via a Debian package.
Any ideas?


A data point:

I've the same broken info system on the ssame version of CrunchBang. I
really like cb, but there are wrinkles like that. The TODO for solving that
hasn't percolated up my list yet :-)

Best,

Brian vdB

[O] org-bibtex.el feature request

[Brian van den Broek]

Hi all,

I'm using org-bibtex.el and capture templates to store links from
BibTeX entries and am finding it very useful functionality.

The documentation in org-bibtex.el says And it constructs a nice
description tag for the link that contains the author name, the year
and a short title. This works as advertised, but it would really be a
help were there to be an option to use the BibTeX citation key as the
link description. I'd like to request that this be considered as a
feature to add.

The motivation is that I am using the following in my org-capture-templates:

(b BibTeX Entry)

(ba
 Bibtex Article
 entry
 (file+headline Reading.org To File %:author)
 * %:title   %^G
  :PROPERTIES:
  :entered: %U
  :END:

  %a

  %:key

  %:author
  %:title
  %:year
  %:journal

  %?
   :empty-lines 2)

The use of various :keywords gives me the full information about the
author and year (while I can see that the short form might be of use,
I do want the complete information) and thus the short form is
redundant. The BibTeX key seems to me to be the natural description
link. (Unlike the short form that is generated, it is sure to be
unique in a well maintained BibTeX file.) Were it used, the resulting
capture text would seem cleaner.

While I would indeed like this, I recognize it is a small thing and
there may be a desire to contain the growth of the variables that
org-mode relies on. Thanks for considering it, in any case.

Best,

Brian vdB

Re: [O] Small grammar tweaks in export sections of org.texi

[Brian van den Broek]

On 26 April 2012 15:54, Bastien b...@gnu.org wrote:
 Hi Brian,

 Brian van den Broek brian.van.den.br...@gmail.com writes:

snip

 I don't think my employer (I teach Philosophy at the College-level)
 has a basis to claim ownership of copyright on my work product, but I
 also seem to have misplaced my law degree :-) I thus cannot
 confidently say that it is false that I have an employer who *might*
 have a basis to claim ownership of my changes.

 I've written the relevant gnu.org address seeking clarification as to
 whether my good faith belief suffices in my circumstances.

 Okay let us know.  You might get a faster reply by Cc'ing me as the
 maintainer.  Also, perhaps your College administration will be faster
 that GNU ones -- but chances are that both will be slow anyway.

 In the meantime, don't hesitate to report problems informally on the
 list!


Hi Bastien,

Thanks for the response and sorry for my delay; I was traveling.

To my considerable surprise and pleasure, my email to the relevant
gnu.org address got a reply in under 48h. The synopsis is that gnu and
the FSF are only concerned about employer claims for those employed to
program or those studying comp sci at uni. Hence, I shall send my
papers in shortly. It may, however, take some considerable time
nonetheless; I am given to understand that mail from Egypt to the US
is both unreliable and extremely slow. Once all is settled, expect
patches :-)

Thanks and best,

Brian vdB

Re: [O] defining a clocktable in a capture template with absolute timespan computed relative to today

[Brian van den Broek]

On 27 April 2012 05:52, Ippei FURUHASHI top.tuna+orgm...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi Brian,

 Brian van den Broek brian.van.den.br...@gmail.com writes:
 how to add 1 day to the return value of (current-time).

 This hard coding is out of org-mode range,

 #+BEGIN_SRC elisp
 (format-time-string %Y-%m-%d (time-add (current-time) (seconds-to-time (* 
 24 60 60
 #+END_SRC

 #+RESULTS:
 : 2012-04-28

snip

Hi IP,

Thanks for the reply and apologies for the delay in my response; I was
traveling.

Thanks too for the code sample. It does exactly what was desired. (I
expect I ought to have been able to dig that up for myself, so a
double thanks :-)

 I've been experimenting with a new means of using org to plan my day at
 the outset and, at the end of it, to easily review how close I have come
 to accomplishing what I planned.
 I'm very interested. How do you compare your plan with results?


I was experimenting with planning tasks at the beginning of the day by
assigning a number of .5 hour blocks to them at the outset of the day
and then simply visually inspecting a clock table for the day at day's
end to see how well I managed to adhere to the intent. I have
something like this in my org-capture-templates definition:

#+BEGIN_SRC elisp
(p Plan the Day entry (file+datetree log.org)   * Plan and Work
Log for %(format-time-string \%Y-%m-%d\ (current-time)) :plan:
  :PROPERTIES:
  :entered: %U
  :END:

  |---+-|
  | Task* | Pomos * |
  |---+-|
  | [[id:de721347-0896-41d3-84d0-da824332c71c][Plan the day]]
| ( ) %i|
  | [[id:898a9827-2d51-4fd7-8e07-4ff678a83e19][Some Task]]
  | [ ][ ] |
  | [[id:f30fc641-5e22-4329-8b9b-58dd26c28f54][Work on Textbook]]
 | [ ][ ] [ ][ ]   |
  |---+-|

#+BEGIN: clocktable :maxlevel 4 :scope agenda :tstart
\%(format-time-string \%Y-%m-%d %a\ (current-time)) 08:00\ :tend
\%(format-time-string \%Y-%m-%d %a\ (time-add (current-time)
(seconds-to-time (* 24 60 60 08:00\ :link t :narrow 60! :indent
t :tcolumns 3 :fileskip0

#+END:

* Day's End :journal:

   :empty-lines 1  :clock-in t :clock-resume t)

)))
#+END_SRC

(I am an extreme night owl, so 08:00 is a good place to mark the day
change for me. I have '(setq org-extend-today-until 8)' in my .emacs.)

Several constant tasks are built into the capture template, and each
day I would add to and subtract from the daily plan as appropriate. I
use '( )' to mark a .5 hour block that I estimated would be sufficient
for the task at issue and a '[ ]' for a .5 hour block devoted to an
ongoing substantial task. As I consume the blocks, I change them to
'(X)' and '[X]'. For tasks where I underestimated the time needed, I
use ' + ' to separate the second estimate. Tasks where I overestimated
have the unconsumed '( )' left as is. At the end of the day, I update
the clock table, and judge how well my plans were followed by a simple
visual scan. I also fill out a diary type entry under the headline
at the end of the capture template.

After doing this for a while, I abandoned it as having too much
overhead for how I am presently working. I am on leave from a college
teaching job for this academic year, and most of the projects that I
am working on are large ongoing ones that I want to work on each day,
but don't have broken down into estimate-able subtasks. (For instance,
I am writing a textbook; I want to spend at least 2 hours a day on
that, and will keep doing so until it is done, but there are no
detailed subtasks suitable for estimation.) There is little flux and
it is easy enough to tell by use of the clock table alone how well I
am living up to my intentions.

I will try this method again next semester when I am back to teaching
and have more smaller tasks that are suitable for estimation (e.g.,
Prepare Tuesday's lecture notes). In any case, I don't aspire to do
anything more robust than a quick visual inspection at the end of the
day to see how my day matched my plans.

Best,

Brian vdB

[O] Small grammar tweaks in export sections of org.texi

[Brian van den Broek]

Hi all,

The attached patch provides a number of minor (and pedantic, I suppose) grammar 
tweaks to doc/org.texi. 

I've labelled it a TINYCHANGE. I am not sure of the exact bounds of what can 
count as a tiny change, but all this does is insert `a', `an' and `in' in a 
number of places in the docs. 

I've quite a few other typo corrections / phrasing improvements I could make to 
the docs, but I cannot presently sign the FSF papers. (I am on leave, living 
abroad for the year, and won't be able to get my employer's sign-off until I 
return home.) I'd appreciate being told if further documentation patches can be 
accepted in these circumstances. If they cannot, I will have to wait until I 
can address the FSF papers issue with my employer.

Thanks and best,

Brian vdB

PS Here's hoping I *have* sorted out how to get this through to patchwork :-)
From 737e49207c5a6976bf582265f2b43c14944274c5 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
From: Brian van den Broek van...@gmail.com
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 17:37:57 +0200
Subject: [PATCH] Small grammar tweaks in export sections of org.texi

* org.texi The sections in the Exporting section of the manual left
out articles in the description of the org-export-as-* commands, among
other places. This patch adds them, adds a few missing prepositions,
and switches instances of an HTML to a html for internal
consistency.

TINYCHANGE
---
 doc/org.texi |   42 +-
 1 files changed, 21 insertions(+), 21 deletions(-)

diff --git a/doc/org.texi b/doc/org.texi
index e22d446..e5b58af 100644
--- a/doc/org.texi
+++ b/doc/org.texi
@@ -3587,7 +3587,7 @@ Jump to line 255.
 Search for a link target @samp{My Target}, or do a text search for
 @samp{my target}, similar to the search in internal links, see
 @ref{Internal links}.  In HTML export (@pxref{HTML export}), such a file
-link will become an HTML reference to the corresponding named anchor in
+link will become a HTML reference to the corresponding named anchor in
 the linked file.
 @item *My Target
 In an Org file, restrict search to headlines.
@@ -9820,7 +9820,7 @@ with special characters and symbols available in these encodings.
 @table @kbd
 @orgcmd{C-c C-e a,org-export-as-ascii}
 @cindex property, EXPORT_FILE_NAME
-Export as ASCII file.  For an Org file, @file{myfile.org}, the ASCII file
+Export as an ASCII file.  For an Org file, @file{myfile.org}, the ASCII file
 will be @file{myfile.txt}.  The file will be overwritten without
 warning.  If there is an active region@footnote{This requires
 @code{transient-mark-mode} be turned on.}, only the region will be
@@ -9869,7 +9869,7 @@ the text and the link in a note before the next heading.  See the variable
 @section HTML export
 @cindex HTML export
 
-Org mode contains an HTML (XHTML 1.0 strict) exporter with extensive
+Org mode contains a HTML (XHTML 1.0 strict) exporter with extensive
 HTML formatting, in ways similar to John Gruber's @emph{markdown}
 language, but with additional support for tables.
 
@@ -9895,7 +9895,7 @@ language, but with additional support for tables.
 @table @kbd
 @orgcmd{C-c C-e h,org-export-as-html}
 @cindex property, EXPORT_FILE_NAME
-Export as HTML file.  For an Org file @file{myfile.org},
+Export as a HTML file.  For an Org file @file{myfile.org},
 the HTML file will be @file{myfile.html}.  The file will be overwritten
 without warning.  If there is an active region@footnote{This requires
 @code{transient-mark-mode} be turned on.}, only the region will be
@@ -9904,7 +9904,7 @@ current subtree, use @kbd{C-c @@}.}, the tree head will become the document
 title.  If the tree head entry has, or inherits, an @code{EXPORT_FILE_NAME}
 property, that name will be used for the export.
 @orgcmd{C-c C-e b,org-export-as-html-and-open}
-Export as HTML file and immediately open it with a browser.
+Export as a HTML file and immediately open it with a browser.
 @orgcmd{C-c C-e H,org-export-as-html-to-buffer}
 Export to a temporary buffer.  Do not create a file.
 @orgcmd{C-c C-e R,org-export-region-as-html}
@@ -9914,7 +9914,7 @@ the region.  This is good for cut-and-paste operations.
 @item C-c C-e v h/b/H/R
 Export only the visible part of the document.
 @item M-x org-export-region-as-html
-Convert the region to HTML under the assumption that it was Org mode
+Convert the region to HTML under the assumption that it was in Org mode
 syntax before.  This is a global command that can be invoked in any
 buffer.
 @item M-x org-replace-region-by-HTML
@@ -10008,7 +10008,7 @@ includes automatic links created by radio targets (@pxref{Radio
 targets}).  Links to external files will still work if the target file is on
 the same @i{relative} path as the published Org file.  Links to other
 @file{.org} files will be translated into HTML links under the assumption
-that an HTML version also exists of the linked file, at the same relative
+that a HTML version also exists of the linked file, at the same relative
 path.  @samp{id:} links can then be used to jump

Re: [O] Small grammar tweaks in export sections of org.texi

[Brian van den Broek]

On 24 April 2012 23:35, Bastien b...@gnu.org wrote:
 Hi Brian,

snip

 Applied, thanks.

 I've labelled it a TINYCHANGE. I am not sure of the exact bounds of what
 can count as a tiny change, but all this does is insert `a', `an' and `in'
 in a number of places in the docs.

 A tiny change is a change that modifies = than 20 lines.

Hi Bastien,

Thanks for the reply.

I ought to have been more clear; I'd seen the 20 lines standard
before, but wasn't sure if 1) it was per patch or cumulative over all
patches and 2) if things like fixing a spelling mistake in a variable
name over many lines counted. I've read around some more and learned
(from http://www.gnu.org/prep/maintain/maintain.html#Legally-Significant)
that by the gnu projects standards, a) the limit is cumulative over
all patches, b) trivial changes like replacing many instances of a
name do not count, but multiple such sorts of changes can and c) the
standard they presently endorse is 15 lines. (Sadly, the document I
linked to is a model of neither clarity nor precision.)

 I've quite a few other typo corrections / phrasing improvements I could
 make to the docs, but I cannot presently sign the FSF papers. (I am on
 leave, living abroad for the year, and won't be able to get my employer's
 sign-off until I return home.) I'd appreciate being told if further
 documentation patches can be accepted in these circumstances. If they
 cannot, I will have to wait until I can address the FSF papers issue with
 my employer.

 I suggest this:

 1. try to figure out what really prevents you from assigning your
   copyright to FSF (unless your job contract says everything you write
   in your free time belongs to us, I don't see a real problem here, but
   of course I don't have all the cards in hands to judge appropriately.)

I don't think my employer (I teach Philosophy at the College-level)
has a basis to claim ownership of copyright on my work product, but I
also seem to have misplaced my law degree :-) I thus cannot
confidently say that it is false that I have an employer who *might*
have a basis to claim ownership of my changes.

I've written the relevant gnu.org address seeking clarification as to
whether my good faith belief suffices in my circumstances.

Thanks for the guidance. Best,

Brian

Re: [O] Change example timestamps to not occur in headlines

[Brian van den Broek]

On 23 Apr 2012 12:15, Bastien b...@gnu.org wrote:

 Hi Samuel,

 Samuel Wales samolog...@gmail.com writes:

  On 2012-04-20, John Hendy jw.he...@gmail.com wrote:
  I've attached a small patch to the documentation that resolves a
  conflict between the manual's advice not to include timestamps in
  headlines and some of its examples where it does just that.
 
  Does this advice apply any more?

 Yes it does.

  Perhaps it shoudl be removed.

 So no... let's stick to the current version of the manual.

Hi Bastien and all,

I agree that the discouragement of timestamps in headlines should remain in
the docs.

But I still do think the docs examples should be changed to comply with
that advice. I tried twice to send a patch, yet failed to do so in a manner
recognized by patchwork. I *think* I know how now, but elected not to send
a third attempt. Should I send it once again?

Best,

Brian vdB

[O] Change example timestamps to not occur in headlines

[Brian van den Broek]

Hi all,

I've attached a small patch to the documentation that resolves a
conflict between the manual's advice not to include timestamps in
headlines and some of its examples where it does just that.

This is the first time I've ever submitted a formal patch using git to
any project, so I hope I did things the right way.

Sadly, I am not presently in a position to sign assignment papers, but
this is a TINYCHANGE.

Best,

Brian vdB


0001-Change-example-timestamps-to-not-occur-in-headlines.patch
Description: Binary data

[O] Change example timestamps to not occur in headlines

[Brian van den Broek]

Hi all,

[I wondered why my first post wasn't labelled a patch, and then I saw 
that it attached as octet-stream. Investigating, I was surprised to see 
that gmail's web interface cannot handle patches as attachments. Sorry 
for the dupe, but I thought it best to send again in a way that 
patchwork can detect.]


I've attached a small patch to the documentation that resolves a
conflict between the manual's advice not to include timestamps in
headlines and some of its examples where it does just that.

This is the first time I've ever submitted a formal patch using git to
any project, so I hope I did things the right way.

Sadly, I am not presently in a position to sign assignment papers, but
this is a TINYCHANGE.

Best,

Brian vdB
From 5ccad7cf377a19c8a8b89aba1e12c17fa96a1cb0 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
From: Brian van den Broek van...@gmail.com
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 17:43:18 +0200
Subject: [PATCH] Change example timestamps to not occur in headlines

* doc/doc/org.texi Alter several examples of headings with timestamps
  in them to include the timestamps in the body instead of the heading.

* b/doc/org.texi Alter the same examples in the same way as for
  org.texi.

The Org-mode manual explicitly discourages the inclusion of timestamps
in headlines, yet examples do just that. These changes make the manual
consistent with its own advice.

TINYCHANGE
---
 doc/org.texi  |   12 
 doc/orgguide.texi |   12 
 2 files changed, 16 insertions(+), 8 deletions(-)

diff --git a/doc/org.texi b/doc/org.texi
index a981f68..412a241 100644
--- a/doc/org.texi
+++ b/doc/org.texi
@@ -5393,8 +5393,10 @@ timeline and agenda displays, the headline of an entry associated with a
 plain timestamp will be shown exactly on that date.
 
 @example
-* Meet Peter at the movies 2006-11-01 Wed 19:15
-* Discussion on climate change 2006-11-02 Thu 20:00-22:00
+* Meet Peter at the movies
+  2006-11-01 Wed 19:15
+* Discussion on climate change
+  2006-11-02 Thu 20:00-22:00
 @end example
 
 @item Timestamp with repeater interval
@@ -5405,7 +5407,8 @@ interval of N days (d), weeks (w), months (m), or years (y).  The
 following will show up in the agenda every Wednesday:
 
 @example
-* Pick up Sam at school 2007-05-16 Wed 12:30 +1w
+* Pick up Sam at school
+  2007-05-16 Wed 12:30 +1w
 @end example
 
 @item Diary-style sexp entries
@@ -5449,7 +5452,8 @@ angular ones.  These timestamps are inactive in the sense that they do
 @emph{not} trigger an entry to show up in the agenda.
 
 @example
-* Gillian comes late for the fifth time [2006-11-01 Wed]
+* Gillian comes late for the fifth time
+  [2006-11-01 Wed]
 @end example
 
 @end table
diff --git a/doc/orgguide.texi b/doc/orgguide.texi
index f92e97b..a23a532 100644
--- a/doc/orgguide.texi
+++ b/doc/orgguide.texi
@@ -1325,8 +1325,10 @@ A simple timestamp just assigns a date/time to an item.  This is just
 like writing down an appointment or event in a paper agenda.
 
 @smallexample
-* Meet Peter at the movies 2006-11-01 Wed 19:15
-* Discussion on climate change 2006-11-02 Thu 20:00-22:00
+* Meet Peter at the movies
+  2006-11-01 Wed 19:15
+* Discussion on climate change
+  2006-11-02 Thu 20:00-22:00
 @end smallexample
 
 @noindent @b{Timestamp with repeater interval}@*
@@ -1335,7 +1337,8 @@ applies not only on the given date, but again and again after a certain
 interval of N days (d), weeks (w), months (m), or years (y).  The
 following will show up in the agenda every Wednesday:
 @smallexample
-* Pick up Sam at school 2007-05-16 Wed 12:30 +1w
+* Pick up Sam at school
+  2007-05-16 Wed 12:30 +1w
 @end smallexample
 
 @noindent @b{Diary-style sexp entries}@*
@@ -1360,7 +1363,8 @@ angular ones.  These timestamps are inactive in the sense that they do
 @emph{not} trigger an entry to show up in the agenda.
 
 @smallexample
-* Gillian comes late for the fifth time [2006-11-01 Wed]
+* Gillian comes late for the fifth time
+  [2006-11-01 Wed]
 @end smallexample
 
 
-- 
1.7.9

Re: [O] Change example timestamps to not occur in headlines

[Brian van den Broek]

On 20 April 2012 18:16, John Hendy jw.he...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 11:01 AM, Brian van den Broek
 brian.van.den.br...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi all,

 I've attached a small patch to the documentation that resolves a
 conflict between the manual's advice not to include timestamps in
 headlines and some of its examples where it does just that.


 Can you point to the discouragement? I do this and would like to know
 why it's discouraged but didn't see anything noting it in the manual
 section on dates and timestamps.

 Thanks,
 John


Hi John,

The first footnote on
http://orgmode.org/manual/Handling-links.html#Handling-links, for
instance. There may be more, but this is the one I could find,
quickly.

Best,

Brian vdB

Re: [O] org-list-demote-modify-bullet and alphabetic/numerical bullets

[Brian van den Broek]

On 18 April 2012 13:03, Nicolas Goaziou n.goaz...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello,

 Brian van den Broek brian.van.den.br...@gmail.com writes:

 I have (setq org-alphabetical-lists t) in my .emacs. I am trying to
 set org-list-demote-modify-bullet to cycle on demoting between bullets
 of the form  -/+ and 1./A.

 (setq org-list-demote-modify-bullet
        '((+ . -) (- . +) ))
 accomplishes the -/+ cycling just fine.

 (setq org-list-demote-modify-bullet
        '((+ . -) (- . +) (1. . A.) (A. . 1.)))
 has, however, no effect on numerical nor alphabetic bullets, nor do either of

snip

 This should be fixed in master now.  Could you confirm this?

 Thanks for reporting the problem.


 Regards,

 --
 Nicolas Goaziou


Thanks for your attention to this, Nicholas.

The situation is improved, though not entirely fixed. However, the
problem may well be on my end. I tried a few settings and wasn't able
to get quite the expected behaviour; I may simply not understand the
required syntax for org-list-demote-modify-bullet.

I should also mention that I am a coward and thus don't live on the
bleeding edge. After cloning the git repo and setting up a temporary
.emacs pointing for org mode to the master branch,
M-x org-version reports:
Org-mode version 7.8.09 (release_7.8.09.236.gdbc6f)
This seems to me to confirm I have the HEAD of master as of an hour or
so ago, but it is best if more competent eyes verify this.

My minimal .emacs:
; /home/brian/code/foreign/org-mode is where my git clone lives
(setq load-path (cons /home/brian/code/foreign/org-mode/lisp load-path))
(setq load-path (cons /home/brian/code/foreign/org-mode/contrib/lisp
load-path))

(add-to-list 'auto-mode-alist '(\\.org\\' . org-mode))

(global-set-key \C-cl 'org-store-link)
(global-set-key \C-cc 'org-capture)
(global-set-key \C-ca 'org-agenda)
(global-set-key \C-cb 'org-iswitchb)

(setq org-directory /home/brian/docs/org)

(setq org-default-notes-file ~/docs/org/inbox.org)

(setq org-alphabetical-lists t)

; In the comments below, n and A stand for
; arbitrary number and alpha characters in bullets
(setq org-list-demote-modify-bullet
;   '((+ . -) (- . +) (1. . A.) (A. 1.) )
;   Works demoting n. -- A.; fails A. -- n. with
;   Wrong type argument: stringp, (1.)

   '((+ . -) (- . +) (1. . A.) (A 1) )
;   Works for n. -- A. However, A. -- A.

;   '((+ . -) (- . +) (1 . A) (A 1) )
;   n. -- n. rather than to A.
)

I used a simple org file containing only:

- foo
  + bar
- baz


1. spam
   A. ham
   B. eggs


for my tests. With the version of org-list-demote-modify-bullet active
above, demoting B. eggs yields A. eggs one level indented whereas
what is desired is 1. eggs. As noted in the comments, the earlier
commented version yields a Wrong type argument error and the item B.
eggs remains in place, unchanged.

Thanks for the (at least) partial progress. Is the rest my error? If
so, what setting ought I to use?

Best,

Brian vdB

Re: [O] org-list-demote-modify-bullet and alphabetic/numerical bullets

[Brian van den Broek]

On 19 April 2012 00:57, Brian van den Broek
brian.van.den.br...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 18 April 2012 13:03, Nicolas Goaziou n.goaz...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello,

 Brian van den Broek brian.van.den.br...@gmail.com writes:

 I have (setq org-alphabetical-lists t) in my .emacs. I am trying to
 set org-list-demote-modify-bullet to cycle on demoting between bullets
 of the form  -/+ and 1./A.

 (setq org-list-demote-modify-bullet
        '((+ . -) (- . +) ))
 accomplishes the -/+ cycling just fine.

 (setq org-list-demote-modify-bullet
        '((+ . -) (- . +) (1. . A.) (A. . 1.)))
 has, however, no effect on numerical nor alphabetic bullets, nor do either 
 of

 snip

 This should be fixed in master now.  Could you confirm this?

 Thanks for reporting the problem.


 Regards,

 --
 Nicolas Goaziou


 Thanks for your attention to this, Nicholas.

 The situation is improved, though not entirely fixed. However, the
 problem may well be on my end. I tried a few settings and wasn't able
 to get quite the expected behaviour; I may simply not understand the
 required syntax for org-list-demote-modify-bullet.


Gah! It *was* operator error. I must have read it through 10 times
before sending. Just as the gmail Undo window closed, I saw it.

I was missing the '.' seperating the bullets. I had

   '((+ . -) (- . +) (1. . A.) (A.  1.) )

when I needed

   '((+ . -) (- . +) (1. . A.) (A. . 1.) )

Sorry for the noise and thanks for the fix!

Sheepishly,

Brian vdB

Re: [O] Yearly repeats on the agenda

[Brian van den Broek]

On 17 Apr 2012 09:25, SW sabrewo...@gmail.com wrote:

 SW sabrewolfy at gmail.com writes:


snip

  *** 2011-01-01 +1y New Year's Day  :holiday:
 
  and the following appearing on the agenda:
 
  File:  2011-01-01 +1y New Year's Day  :holiday:
 
  What I'm asking about is the fact that the full timestamp itself
appears in 
  in the agenda for this entry, but not for other deadline/schedule/plain
  timestamp entries.

snip

Hi there,

1) I believe org works much more happily if you don't include timestamps in
headlines.

2) I just added a bunch of holidays / days of observation to my system.
Your use case is better accomplished via org-anniversary:

(org-anniversary 2011 01 01) New Year's Day

Best,

Brian vdB

Re: [O] Yearly repeats on the agenda

[Brian van den Broek]

On 17 Apr 2012 09:39, Brian van den Broek brian.van.den.br...@gmail.com
wrote:

 2) I just added a bunch of holidays / days of observation to my system.
Your use case is better accomplished via org-anniversary:

 (org-anniversary 2011 01 01) New Year's Day

Emailing before first coffee is a bad idea. I left out some syntax. See
http://orgmode.org/manual/Weekly_002fdaily-agenda.html.

Best,

Brian vdB

[O] defining a clocktable in a capture template with absolute timespan computed relative to today

[Brian van den Broek]

Hi all,

I've been experimenting with a new means of using org to plan my day at
the outset and, at the end of it, to easily review how close I have come
to accomplishing what I planned. For that second component, I want a
clocktable covering the day to allow for an easy review of what I have
accomplished. Since I am an extreme night-owl, I want the table to cover
8:00 of the day to 8:00 of the next one. (Things I do at 0:300 I think of as
having been part of the previous day.) This is easy enough to accomplish
manually. Today's, for instance, is defined as
  #+BEGIN: clocktable :maxlevel 4 :scope agenda :tstart 2012-04-17
08:00 :tend 2012-04-18 Wed 08:00 :fileskip0

  #+END:

I've defined a capture template to produce, in a datetree, the
boiler-plate for my daily planning and for the end of day review. As
yet, the best I have managed for the clocktable is to include (some
aspects omitted):
  #+BEGIN: clocktable :tstart \%(format-time-string \%Y-%m-%d\
(current-time)) 08:00\ :tend \%(format-time-string \%Y-%m-%d\
(current-time)) 08:00\ :fileskip0

  #+END:

This still needs some fiddling to get the :tend parameter right as it
defines it as exactly the same as the :tstart.

What I need is something that fulfils the intent of
  :tend \%(format-time-string \%Y-%m-%d\ (+ oneday
(current-time))) 08:00\.
However, the docstring of (current-time) reads:

  Return the current time, as the number of seconds since 1970-01-01 00:00:00.
  The time is returned as a list of three integers.  The first has the
  most significant 16 bits of the seconds, while the second has the
  least significant 16 bits.  The third integer gives the microsecond
  count.

My meagre elisp means that I will have to spend quite some time figuring
out how to add 1 day to the return value of (current-time).

So:

1) Is there an org-native way that I have overlooked to define a
clock-table in a capture template that has the relative time-span that I
desire?

2) If not, would someone please take pity on my poor elisp and give me
the push to bring home my definition?

Thanks and best,

Brian vdB

PS I suspect that this will wrap badly. Apologies if so; I hope the
intent is nonetheless clear.

[O] org-list-demote-modify-bullet and alphabetic/numerical bullets

[Brian van den Broek]

Hi all,

I have (setq org-alphabetical-lists t) in my .emacs. I am trying to
set org-list-demote-modify-bullet to cycle on demoting between bullets
of the form  -/+ and 1./A.

(setq org-list-demote-modify-bullet
   '((+ . -) (- . +) ))
accomplishes the -/+ cycling just fine.

(setq org-list-demote-modify-bullet
   '((+ . -) (- . +) (1. . A.) (A. . 1.)))
has, however, no effect on numerical nor alphabetic bullets, nor do either of

(setq org-list-demote-modify-bullet
   '((+ . -) (- . +) (1. . -) ))

and

(setq org-list-demote-modify-bullet
   '((+ . -) (- . +) (1 . -) ))

affect numerical bullets, so I doubt that it is that alphabetical
bullets are the problem.

Is there a way to do what I am trying to effect?

Thanks and best,

Brian vdB

Re: [O] Yearly repeats on the agenda

[Brian van den Broek]

On 17 April 2012 15:11, SW sabrewo...@gmail.com wrote:
 SW sabrewolfy at gmail.com writes:

   2) I just added a bunch of holidays / days of observation to my system.
 Your use case is better accomplished via org-anniversary:
  
   (org-anniversary 2011 01 01) New Year's Day
  Emailing before first coffee is a bad idea. I left out some syntax. See
 http://orgmode.org/manual/Weekly_002fdaily-agenda.html.

 Thanks, didn't know about those, but that's exactly what I need. There is 
 *so*
 much to org-mode and always another section to the manual ... :)

 FWIF 1: Anniversaries in the agenda don't have tags now. The tag I provided
 appears in the headline only and does not appear in the agenda. Adding :TAG:
 didn't solve this.

 FWIW 2: The CATEGORY example included in the link above resulted in the 
 category
 appearing next to some other entries in the agenda as well. Replacing it with
 :CATEGORY: instead of #+CATEGORY: solved this.

I've not tagged any of my holidays and days of observance.

The #+CATEGORY issue will arise in other regards as well. It was a
first pass at changing categories within an org file before the
general category property mechanism was included. I don't recall if
#+CATEGORY has been deprecated, but I've treated it as such and been
much happier than when I was struggling with it.

Best,

Brian vdB

[O] broken link in online docs

[Brian van den Broek]

Hi all,

http://orgmode.org/manual/Tables.html#Tables has a link (see a
href=../calc/index.html#TopCalc/a) that yields a 404.

I know patches are preferred, but I don't know to what the link ought
to point, so cannot fix the issue myself.

Best,

Brian vdB

Re: [O] Usage of disqus instead of mailinglist considered harmful (was: Disqus commenting system tested on Worg)

[Brian van den Broek]

On 8 Apr 2012 13:44, Karl Voit

snip

 Oh I'd like to warn here: disqus is a private commercial company
 that wants to make money.

 Their strategy can (and will) change from one day to the other.

An enthusiastic +1 from this largely lurking list member.

Best,

Brian vdB

[O] Problems syncing from MobileOrg 0.8.5 (Android) via SD card

[Brian van den Broek]

Hi all,

I have an Android phone and I am taking another go at setting up
MobileOrg for android (the matburt version at
https://github.com/matburt/mobileorg-android and
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.matburt.mobileorg).

I don't want to use dropbox and at present cannot set up my own SSH or
WebDAV server; I'm happy to use the SD card for syncing.

Following the directions at
https://github.com/matburt/mobileorg-android/wiki/Documentation I have
the desired org files on my desktop syncing to MobileOrg on the phone
just fine. I also have items syncing with my phone's calendar. This is
all most excellent.

I have created some captured items with MobileOrg, have used it to
change the TODO state of extant items, and have created new child
nodes with it, too. (So, I've been able to create changes on the phone
in multiple ways that I would expect to be brought over to the desktop
by syncing.) However, when I mount the phone's SD card and run M-x
org-mobile-pull, I get the message No new items.

As far as I can figure out, I've done what I ought to do to bring
changes from MobileOrg to my desktop. I by no means, however, exclude
the possibility that I am doing something daft. Any pointers for how I
can further investigate the issue?

Some relevant details:

My phone is a Samsung GT-B7510 running Android 2.2.2. I have MobileOrg
version 0.8.5 installed.

M-x emacs-version yields: GNU Emacs 23.2.1 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+
Version 2.20.1) of 2010-12-11 on brahms, modified by Debian
M-x org-version yields: Org-mode version 7.8.08

My .emacs contains the following:
(setq org-mobile-inbox-for-pull /home/brian/docs/org/from-mobile.org)
(setq org-mobile-directory /media/ANDROIDSD/mobileorg)

All other values revealed by M-x customize-group org-mobile are at
their default settings.

Relevant MobileOrg settings on the phone are:
Synchronizarion Mode: SDCard
Index Path: /sdcard/mobileorg/index.org
Background Sync is disabled

I have tried running org-mobile-pull both with and without an empty
file /home/brian/docs/org/from-mobile.org (with read and write
permissions) present. I have also tried with a filename lacking the
`-' character.

For sake of completeness, I did try enabling background sync and
waiting for it to run before mounting the SD card and running M-x
org-mobile-pull.

One other possibly relevant fact: I've put the MobilOrg TODO widget on
my phone's desktop. On rebooting the phone, it displays something like
`Widget text' (it flashes by pretty quick), and otherwise never
displays anything. Clicking on it serves only to take me directly to
the MobileOrg capture interface.

Thanks for any suggestions,

Brian vdB

Re: [O] agenda view for TODOs without deadline and a certain tag

[Brian van den Broek]

On 21 Feb 2012 09:59, Renato renn...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Mon, 20 Feb 2012 22:41:21 +0100
 Renato renn...@gmail.com wrote:

  Hi, how can I make C-c a M (org-tags-view) respect the variable
  org-agenda-todo-ignore-deadlines? What I want to do is list my active
  TODOs which do not have a deadline and which do not have a certain
  tag.
 

 better still, I'd like for org-agenda-list to ignore entries with a
 certain tag...

snip

 pretty common thing... I've got lots of TODOs for example regarding
 my computer software environment (find

snip

 tagged :computer: - and I really don't want to see those unless I have
 an hour of spare time which I decide to dedicate to such things. I

snip

Hi Renato and all,

One simple solution, albeit not in the spirit of your question, is to keep
such tasks in an org file that is not an agenda file.

Best,

Brian vdB

[O] How to display sunrise and sunset in weekly agenda view, but only for today?

[Brian van den Broek]

Hi all,

I was looking at http://orgmode.org/worg/org-hacks.html#sec-2-7 and
have used the code there to put sunrise and sunset into my agenda
views; most cool.

Poking around the thread that the worg page links to, I saw people
were interested in displaying these times only in agenda day views.
Konrad Hinsen posted an easy solution:
http://article.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode/38879.

Never happy :-) what I'd like is to display the sun* times in the
weekly view, but only for today. I always work from the week view and
export that to my phone. I'm interested in the sun* times for today,
but not interested enough to have what feels like clutter on future
days.

I am of limited lisp and org internals knowledge, so don't really feel
able to figure out where to start poking. Has anyone done this? Or,
could anyone give me a push?

Thanks and best,

Brian vdB

Re: [O] How to display sunrise and sunset in weekly agenda view, but only for today?

[Brian van den Broek]

On 6 February 2012 17:08, Nick Dokos nicholas.do...@hp.com wrote:
 Brian van den Broek brian.van.den.br...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi all,

 I was looking at http://orgmode.org/worg/org-hacks.html#sec-2-7 and
 have used the code there to put sunrise and sunset into my agenda
 views; most cool.

 Poking around the thread that the worg page links to, I saw people
 were interested in displaying these times only in agenda day views.
 Konrad Hinsen posted an easy solution:
 http://article.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode/38879.

 Never happy :-) what I'd like is to display the sun* times in the
 weekly view, but only for today. I always work from the week view and

snip

 Instead of Konrad's

 %%(when (eq span 'day) (diary-sunrise))
 %%(when (eq span 'day) (diary-sunset))

 you can add

 %%(when (equal date (calendar-current-date)) (diary-sunrise))
 %%(when (equal date (calendar-current-date)) (diary-sunset))

 so it will only happen on the current date.

Thanks, Nick; works a charm.

Best,

Brian vdB

Re: [O] Recurring multiple days events

[Brian van den Broek]

On 4 Feb 2012 22:55, Simon Thum simon.t...@gmx.de wrote:

 Hi all,

 it seems to me that specifying recurring multi-days things like

 2012-12-24 +1y--2012-12-15 do not show up in the agenda. I know there
sexp dates, but these have other drawbacks.


I've not tried such things, but if that is your actual example, your start
date is for a date after your end date. That can't be helping :-)

Best,

Brian vdB

[O] how to manage org-ids for many org files scattered on system

[Brian van den Broek]

Hi all,

I've started having a lot of org files in various locations across my
system, and I am wondering how others manage keeping track of global
ids in this situation.

I am aware of org-id-extra-files, but adding things by hand has
started to seem a bit painful. Additionally, as some projects are
done, their dedicated org files go away (content is moved to a common
archive org file) and I know I won't always remember to delete the
relevant entires in org-id-extra-files.

So far, the best I can figure is to write a script that runs as a
chron job and uses the results of appropriate find commands to
generate a small .el file that sets org-id-extra-files and that itself
gets loaded as a library in my .emacs.

What do others do? Additionally, anyone have any light to shed on how
long org-id-extra-files can get (how much data it can point to) before
org-id-update-id-locations gets bogged down?

Thanks and best,

Brian vdB

Re: [O] How do teachers use org-mode

[Brian van den Broek]

On 1 February 2012 06:10, Venkatesh Choppella
venkatesh.choppe...@iiit.ac.in wrote:
 Dear Org-mode users:

 I am using  org-mode this semester  to host my course notes.   For me
 org-mode was a god-send, since I had been struggling to organize
 course notes in plain html  before that.

snip

 I am interested to  hear from others who have used org-mode as part of
 their teaching activities.

 Sincerely,

 Venkatesh Choppella
 IIIT Hyderabad
 Gachibowli, Hyderabad 500 032
 India


Hi Venkatesh,

I'm a philosopher, so, unlike in your case, there's little chance of
my making orgmode itself part of the course material :-)

Depending on the course, I make a lot of use of beamer presentations.
(Lots in Introduction to Logic course, little or none in seminars.)
However, I developed my work-flow before orgmode grew the rich tools
it now has for supporting beamer; so orgmode plays no role, here. Were
I starting again, I'd likely make my workflow more orgmode focused.

The most significant use I make of orgmode that seems peculiar to
teaching is to use org-clone-subtree-with-time-shift to create a
headline for each class session.

Each has a subheading where I jot whatever reminders I need of what to
say in class that won't be triggered for me by the beamer presentation
(if I am employing one for that class). I keep this visible on a
netbook beside the podium with the computer driving the digital
projector.

Each class's heading also has a subheading where, in the minutes
immediately after class, I record a post-mortem of the class. This
includes things such as what actually did get covered (as distinct
from what I had planned to cover), any things about the manner of
presenting that class's material that didn't work so well, any student
questions that were especially interesting or surprising, and any
follow-up tasks. The what got covered has been invaluable for
planning the next time I offer the same class and has also proved very
helpful when I've had more than one section of a single class.
(Despite the use of beamer, I try to let the class develop as the
students want as much as I do, so there is always some substantial
differences between two sections of the same class to keep track of.)

Hope that  helps,

Brian vdB

[O] {Feature Request] Have org-capture-refile treat the buffer from which org-capture was called as current buffer

[Brian van den Broek]

Hi all,

My org-refile-targets definition includes

((nil :maxlevel . 5)
 (org-agenda-files :maxlevel . 10)
 ;; snip irrelevant details
 )

The list starting with nil works fine to allow me to refile items from
within an org file being visited to that same file irrespective of
whether that file appears elsewhere in the org-refile-targets
definition and that is indeed useful.

However, most of the time I am wanting to refile to an occasional use
(thus, not in org-refile-targets) org file, the desire arises when I
am working in that file and want to use org-capture to get an item
with one of my capture templates' boilerplate materials included. From
within the org-capture buffer, org-capture-refile doesn't offer the
buffer from which org-capture was invoked as a target (unless, of
course, it is visiting a file otherwise specified in
org-refile-targets).

That behaviour is completely in keeping with org-refile-targets'
docstring: Nil means consider headings in the current buffer. After
all, once org-capture has been invoked, the capture-buffer is the
current buffer.

What I would like is for nil in org-refile-targets to mean is
consider headings in the current buffer unless that buffer is a
capture buffer, in which case consider headings in the buffer from
which org-capture was invoked. (Actually, what I would really like is
for someone to point out that this is already possible and to forgive
my failure to find out how on my own ;-)

Thanks and best,

Brian vdB

Re: [O] View inherited DEADLINEs in agenda

[Brian van den Broek]

On 7 November 2011 16:29, Carsten Dominik carsten.domi...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Nov 7, 2011, at 1:19 PM, Giovanni Ridolfi wrote:

 Fabrizio Chiarello fabrizio.chiare...@ieee.org writes:


 I have many tasks with a DEADLINE, and I wish to have their subtasks to
 inherit such DEADLINE. To this aim, I set:

  (setq org-use-property-inheritance (quote (DEADLINE)))


 The problem is that the agenda only shows deadlines for the tasks that
 define them

 is DEADLINE  a property that can be inherited?

 Deadlines can currently *not* be inherited.  I would probably advice
 against implementing this because of performance issues that would
 result for the construction of the agenda.

 - Carsten


Hi all,

Here's a thought: what about a function which scans a subtree of an
item that has a deadline and adds that same deadline to any
descendants that lack a deadline? It seems to me that this would, via
a one time user intervention, meet the OP's need, without the constant
overhead  about which Carsten is concerned.

It further occurred to me that invoked without arguments, it would
prompt the user for each item without deadline, with a prefix
argument, apply all the deadlines automatically, and, with a numeric
prefix n, automatically apply the alterations n-levels down.

Best,

Brian vdB

Re: [O] How to install contributions to org-mode such as org-contacts?

[Brian van den Broek]

On 28 October 2011 14:07, Marius Hofert marius.hof...@math.ethz.ch wrote:
 Hi,

 I downloaded and successfully installed the latest version org-mode (M-x 
 org-version shows 7.7). I was hoping to get org-contacts with it, too, but 
 when putting (require 'org-contacs) in .emacs, I obtain:

 Warning (initialization): An error occurred while loading 
 `/Users/mhofert/.emacs':

 File error: Cannot open load file, org-contacts

 To ensure normal operation, you should investigate and remove the
 cause of the error in your initialization file.  Start Emacs with
 the `--debug-init' option to view a complete error backtrace.

 Org-contacts is one of the contributions and can be found in org-7.7/contrib.
 How can I install this org-mode contribution (on Mac OS X 10.7.2 with GNU 
 Emacs 23.3 (9.0))?

 I installed the latest org-mode version by setting (in ./Makefile):

  EMACS=/Applications/Emacs.app/Contents/MacOS//emacs
  lispdir=/Applications/Emacs.app/Contents/Resources/lisp/
  infodir=/Applications/Emacs.app/Contents/Resources/info

 I checked the contribution README, but that didn't tell  me how to install 
 org-mode ocntributions.


 Cheers,

 Marius



Marius,

Do you do what the fine manual suggests?:

If you plan to use code from the contrib subdirectory, do a similar
step for this directory:

 (setq load-path (cons ~/path/to/orgdir/contrib/lisp load-path))

http://orgmode.org/manual/Installation.html#Installation

Best,

Brian vdB

Re: [O] feature suggestion: apply datetime prompt magic to selected region

[Brian van den Broek]

On 26 Oct 2011 09:56, Eric S Fraga e.fr...@ucl.ac.uk wrote:

 Brian van den Broek brian.van.den.br...@gmail.com writes:

 [...]

  Various people upthread convinced me that my feature request wasn't
  really worth it. (I do hope it didn't cost you too much time!) So, I
  am content to drop it here :-)

 but did you try a simple keyboard macro in the end as suggested by the
 first response?

snip

Hi Eric,

I did. That that solution was pointed out helped me see that my suggestion
had little value. :--)

Thanks, though, for making the effort to give explicit details!

Best,

Brian vdB

Re: [O] feature suggestion: apply datetime prompt magic to selected region

[Brian van den Broek]

On 24 October 2011 08:00, Bastien b...@altern.org wrote:
 Hi Brian,

 suvayu ali fatkasuvayu+li...@gmail.com writes:

 Ah I see it now, you want the org-timestamp command to work on a
 region. Maybe you can write your own function with lisp if you are
 doing this too often. Should be quite simple to try.

 Please check `org-loop-over-headlines-in-active-region' from latest
 git repo and see if using `org-schedule' in the region does what you
 want.  We can actually implement this for `org-timestamp' as well,
 if relevant.

 Thanks,

 --
  Bastien


Hi Bastien,

Thanks for replying and giving this your attention.

Various people upthread convinced me that my feature request wasn't
really worth it. (I do hope it didn't cost you too much time!) So, I
am content to drop it here :-)

That said, it seems only right to respond and let you know how things
sit. Feel free to let it die.

Unless I misunderstood, that does not do what I had in mind.

With a fresh git pull I invoked emacs with
   emacs --no-site-file -l minimalorgtestdotemacs test.org
where minimalorgtestdotemacs reads:

(add-to-list 'auto-mode-alist '(\\.org\\' . org-mode))
(global-set-key \C-cl 'org-store-link)
(global-set-key \C-cc 'org-capture)
(global-set-key \C-ca 'org-agenda)
(global-set-key \C-cb 'org-iswitchb)
(transient-mark-mode 1)
(setq org-loop-over-headlines-in-active-region t)


and test.org reads:

* test

  2003-01-26


Versions:
Org-mode version 7.7 (release_7.7.464.g679a0)
GNU Emacs 23.2.1 (i486-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.20.0) of
2010-12-11 on raven, modified by Debian

If I have point and mark on either end of 2003-01-26 and invoke M-x
org-schedule, nothing occurs. By analogy with my original request,
what was desired was for the region to automatically get fed to the
datetime prompt and thus for the test subtree to acquire the scheduled
date of 2003-01-26 without further intervention.

So, thanks again for the attention to the suggestion. I'm more than
happy to let it rest here.

Best,

Brian vdB

Re: [O] do it today, or well, tomorrow

[Brian van den Broek]

On 12 Oct 2011 16:22, Andrea Crotti andrea.crott...@gmail.com wrote:

 There is a nice little app for android called do it tomorrow, where
 you can plan easily for one day, and move them to the next day easily.

 I was trying to do the same in org-mode, so my idea is that:
 - in the morning I fill some tasks which I should do during the day
 - at night I move to the next days the ones which were not finished

 (maybe the DONE flag should be set automatically in case they're
 trivial or the explanation might go somewhere else).

 The problem is that from the agenda view I can't easily move a task to
 the next day, is anyone doing anything like this?

 Thanks,
 Andrea


Andrea,

All too often, I reschedule from the agenda. On an item, C-c C-s, the use
the calendar to pick the new day. Does that not do what you are after?

Best,

Brian vdB

Re: [O] Agenda view: ignoring everything that is DONE

[Brian van den Broek]

On 10 Oct 2011 17:45, Chris Wallace chris.wall...@cimr.cam.ac.uk wrote:

 On 10/10/11 14:52, Jason Dunsmore wrote:

 Chris Wallacechris.wall...@cimr.cam.ac.uk  writes:

 I want to include in my agenda only things that are TODO, or are
 scheduled and not marked DONE, or have a deadline and are not marked
 DONE.  This is how agenda worked a year ago before I went on maternity
 leave, and now something has changed and I am seeing lots of DONE
 tasks which had a deadline -780 days ago.

 I have tried removing all org customisations relating to the agenda
 and todo list, and have read the agenda part of the manual, but I
 can't get this to work.

snip

 thank you for the quick reply.  I do have those variables set.  I have now
commented one by one every line in my org setup and customisation and found
that the problem only occurs when customize includes the line:

 '(org-todo-keywords (quote ((sequence TODO DONE | CANCELLED

snip
 Chris.



Chris,

I believe this is indeed the problem. The pipe chr '|' sperates done from
not done states: todo states on the left of it are considered undone and on
the right, done. So, swap 'DONE' and '|' and I expect you will be sorted.

Best,

Brian vdB

Re: [O] feature suggestion: apply datetime prompt magic to selected region

[Brian van den Broek]

On 7 October 2011 10:12, suvayu ali fatkasuvayu+li...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi Brian,

 On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 12:38 AM, Brian van den Broek
 brian.van.den.br...@gmail.com wrote:
 It just seemed that since orgmode parse text yanked into the dt prompt, it
 would be in keeping with the general spirit of the mode to parse selected
 text, too. But, as I said, it isn't a big deal.

 I don't quite understand this, are you saying when I yank text into an
 org buffer it converts any random time stamp like information into
 proper org format timestamps? So if I were to kill the following text
 from some buffer,

 some random time stamp 2011/10/07

 and yank it into an org buffer, it will be converted to

 some random time stamp 2011-10-07

 I have been using org for quite sometime, but I don't think there is
 any such feature. And if there was, I would say that's too intrusive
 to assume I want every time information to be stored as timestamps. Or
 on the other hand, do you mean that the text doesn't change but the
 text face does? I would think that is a fontlocking issue.

 If I am misunderstanding, could you please illustrate with a small example?


Hi Suvayu and all,

It is clear that I've not been clear. I'll explain and then let it go. :-)

Say I have a buffer with the following contents:

--
Some text in a buffer with orgmode enabled.

Blah blah, Tuesday at 3pm blah blah September 19, 2003, 14:00-15:00 blah blah
--

As it is now, if I kill the text Tuesday at 3pm, and with cursor
where I killed hit C-u C-c . to invoke org-time-stamp with prefix
argument, and then yank the just killed text into the resulting
prompt, and repeat for the text Sept. ... 15:00, I get

--
Some text in a buffer with orgmode enabled.

Blah blah, 2011-10-11 Tue 15:00 blah blah 2003-09-19 Fri
14:00-15:00 blah blah
--

(the exact way the org-time-stamp command interprets the text is a
function of the date that it is run and of the value of
org-read-date-prefer-future, and possibly other variables, too.)

What I was suggesting was it would be cool and a small time-saver if I
could select the text Tuesday at 3pm and hit C-u C-c . and have the
region replaced with the stamp 2011-10-11 Tue 15:00, entirely
bypassing the kill and yank steps. (Achim correctly suggested that
what I want to do could be done with a keyboard macro. I still think
it would be neat.)

The reason that I suggested it is that I'd tried it, half-expecting it
to work. It seems to me that orgmode is pretty good at making my life
easier and this is a (very small) way in which it could, but doesn't
currently. Certainly, if I am killing text to yank into the datetime
prompt, there is a high likelihood that what I really want to do is to
replace that text with a timestamp that org derives from it. So, why
not enable that in one swell foop?

I hope that has made my suggestion clear. I'm sorry I was unclear
earlier and thus created a bit of noise.

Best,

Brian vdB

[O] feature suggestion: apply datetime prompt magic to selected region

[Brian van den Broek]

Hi all,

[Apologies to the mods and to all if this goes through twice;
I sent from the wrong gmail tab :-[ ]

It wouldn't stun me were orgmode already able to do what I have in
mind, but trying it and consulting the fine manual didn't suggest that
it does.

I very much appreciate orgmode's ability to parse the content of a
yank for date and time information while entering a timestamp. I think
it would be even cooler were orgmode able to parse the content of a
selected region and extract the same information, replacing the region
with the timestamp created on the basis of the text in the region.

It certainly is true that one can select the region, kill it, invoke
the datetime prompt, and then yank to achieve the same effect.
However, having just done that more than 50 times in a row with a
series of dates copied from a webpage, it has occurred to me that the
ability to move directly from a selected region to a datetime prompt
while skipping the kill and yank steps would have saved more than a
hundred key-chords.

Not revolutionary, and surely not a high priority, but I thought I'd
throw the idea out there in case any of the developers think it worth
the time to implement. If not, no biggie.

Thanks and best,

Brian vdB

[O] bad link on website

[Brian van den Broek]

Hi all,

The page http://orgmode.org/index.html#sec-4-1 contains the text
   Links below point to the development version of the manual.
   If you want to read the latest released manuals (currently for
   Org 7.7), please browse this directory.
where this directory is a hyperlink to
http://orgmode.org/manual/release_7.7/.

Following that link yields a 404 Not Found.

Thanks and best,

Brian vdB

[O] How to suppress refile logging only for refiling from capture templates?

[Brian van den Broek]

Hi all,

I've been looking through the manual and have tried a few things that
might have worked, but I've not been able to accomplish my desire.

Is there any way to both in general log refiles and to suppress such
logging when refiling via use of a capture template?

I find the refile option from within the capture buffer most handy and
do in general want to log refiling events. But, in a real sense, when
refiling from the capture buffer, the item hasn't really come into
existence yet and so refiling it seems more like an initial filing.
(I am aware that the item does occur in an org prior to refiling, but
that seems like an implementation detail.) I am ending up with
everything refiled from captures having refile logging and this makes
for a lot of noise when I am trying to focus on genuinely refiled
items.

Thanks and best,

Brian vdB

[O] feature suggestion: apply datetime prompt magic to selected region

[Brian van den Broek]

Hi all,

It wouldn't stun me were orgmode already able to do what I have in
mind, but trying it and consulting the fine manual didn't suggest that
it does.

I very much appreciate orgmode's ability to parse the content of a
yank for date and time information while entering a timestamp. I think
it would be even cooler were orgmode able to parse the content of a
selected region and extract the same information, replacing the region
with the timestamp created on the basis of the text in the region.

It certainly is true that one can select the region, kill it, invoke
the datetime prompt, and then yank to achieve the same effect.
However, having just done that more than 50 times in a row with a
series of dates copied from a webpage, it has occurred to me that the
ability to move directly from a selected region to a datetime prompt
while skipping the kill and yank steps would have saved more than a
hundred key-chords.

Not revolutionary, and surely not a high priority, but I thought I'd
throw the idea out there in case any of the developers think it worth
the time to implement. If not, no biggie.

Thanks and best,

Brian vdB

Re: [O] feature suggestion: apply datetime prompt magic to selected region

[Brian van den Broek]

On 6 Oct 2011 21:46, Achim Gratz strom...@nexgo.de wrote:

 Brian van den Broek brian.van.den.br...@gmail.com writes:
  It wouldn't stun me were orgmode already able to do what I have in
  mind, but trying it and consulting the fine manual didn't suggest that
  it does.
 [snip]

 I'm not exactly sure what you are trying to achieve, but it seems that
 you could define a keyboard macro for that?

Hi Achim,

Thanks for the reply.

Indeed one could and perhaps I ought to have; my data was irregular, so I
didn't have the hope of quickly creating a robust macro. Since I had to
select regions by hand, a macro didn't seem worth it for the kill,
invocation of the datetime prompt, and yank within.

It just seemed that since orgmode parse text yanked into the dt prompt, it
would be in keeping with the general spirit of the mode to parse selected
text, too. But, as I said, it isn't a big deal.

I've weak elisp and know nothing of orgs internals. But, if there's no
uptake, maybe that'd be a small enough coding task for ?e to take some steps
to learning :-)

Best,

Brian vdB

Re: [O] small docstring typo in org-clone-subtree-with-time-shift

[Brian van den Broek]

On 29 Sep 2011 23:17, Achim Gratz strom...@nexgo.de wrote:

 Brian van den Broek brian.van.den.br...@gmail.com writes:
  I suspect that the optimal way is to generate a patch against the
  documentation. If that's right and someone would point me to what I'd
  need to read to learn how to do so (I've never produced a patch
  before), I'd be happy to learn and do it that way henceforward.

 Make your own clone of the Git repository.  Check out the master branch

snip patient and thorough seeming explanation

 Check How to contribute to Orgmode on the website.


 HTH,
 Achim.

Hi Achim,

Thanks for that, especially in a context where an RTFM would not have been
unwarranted.

As it happens, I've set aside some time for a pass through the manual in the
next while (for me, this is a semi-annual affair) and I pledge to repay your
kindness in providing these step by step instructions by making active use
of them!

Thanks again,

Brian vdB

[O] small docstring typo in org-clone-subtree-with-time-shift

[Brian van den Broek]

Hi all,

First, I've not been active on the list for some lengthy time. When
last I was reporting small typos in the manual, Cartsen was still the
chief maintainer and I just sent them to him directly. Please advise
as to where such trivial doc bugs are best noted.

Second, the docstring for org-clone-subtree-with-time-shift contains
the phrase `I this way you can spell out a number of instances of a
repeating task,'. Clearly, `I' ought be `In'.

I suspect that the optimal way is to generate a patch against the
documentation. If that's right and someone would point me to what I'd
need to read to learn how to do so (I've never produced a patch
before), I'd be happy to learn and do it that way henceforward.

Thanks and best,

Brian vdB

Re: [O] #+STARTUP: nologrefile seemingly not respected

[Brian van den Broek]

Hi all,

On 28 July 2011 01:12, Brian van den Broek van...@gmail.com wrote:

 I have '(setq org-log-refile 'time)' in my .emacs. I have the line
 '#+STARTUP: nologrefile' in a subtree at the bottom of my inbox.org.

 Given this setup, I'd expect to get refiling notes with the time of
 refiling when I refile from org files *other* than inbox.org and not
 to get refiling notes when refiling from inbox.org. However, I get
 refiling notes when refiling from any .org file, including inbox.org.

 I am using org-mode 7.6 on emacs version 23.2.1

 Is the problem with my expectations or in org-mode's behaviour?

As org-mode 7.7 was released since I sent this yesterday, it seemed
worth the self-reply to update the query. The relevant behaviour of
7.7 is the same as that of 7.6.

Thanks and best,

Brian vdB

[O] #+STARTUP: nologrefile seemingly not respected

[Brian van den Broek]

Hi all,

Either #+STARTUP: nologrefile is not behaving as intended, or I've
misunderstood the intention.

I have '(setq org-log-refile 'time)' in my .emacs. I have the line
'#+STARTUP: nologrefile' in a subtree at the bottom of my inbox.org.

Given this setup, I'd expect to get refiling notes with the time of
refiling when I refile from org files *other* than inbox.org and not
to get refiling notes when refiling from inbox.org. However, I get
refiling notes when refiling from any .org file, including inbox.org.

I am using org-mode 7.6 on emacs version 23.2.1

Is the problem with my expectations or in org-mode's behaviour?

Thanks and best,

Brian vdB

Re: [O] Attachments and refiling

[Brian van den Broek]

2011/7/24 Bastien b...@altern.org:
 Hi Gustav and Darlan,

 one solution I can think of is to set `org-attach-directory'
 to an absolute path instead of data/ (the current default
 value).

 This way, refiling an entry will not lose attachments.

 I'm considering using ~/.org-data/ as the default value.

 What do you think?

 --
  Bastien

I don't make much use of attachments, but I would think something like

(setq org-attach-dir (concat org-directory .data))

would make more sense. I, at least, prefer to have all of my org
related data living in one directory tree.

Best,

Brian vdB

[Orgmode] variables governing archiving gone?

[Brian van den Broek]

Hi all,

I've been overhauling my use or orgmode and have also started keeping 
current with the git repository. From a pull less than 24hrs ago, the 
documentation refers to the variables:


 - org-archive-default-command
 - org-archive-save-context-info

But neither C-h a nor M-x customize group org-agenda seems to know of 
either variable.


Doc bug, code bug, or user error?

Best,

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[Orgmode] puzzling plain list and tree folding behaviour

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Hi all,

I have this an item in an org file:

 Montréal-Python 16
 2010-10-18 Mon 18:00-21:30

 Montréal-Python 16 will take place in room PK-1620 of UQAM on
 2010-10-18. This is in the President-Kennedy building. It will be a
 Python in the cloud themed edition.

 Here is our schedule for the evening:

 - 18h00 Opening
 - 18h20 Announcements
 - 18h30 Flash presentations
 - 19h00 Break
 - 19h20 Main presentations
 - 20h30 Discussions and refreshments at Benelux

 Our main presenter is going to be Simon Law and he is going to talk
 about Startup Mistakes in Cloud Deployment.

** Ubuntu
etc

There are three puzzling things going on:

1) When I first loaded up the org file in which this text occurs, the 
ancestor headlines of the subtree are displayed. This is so even though 
org-startup-folded evaluates to t. Other files behave as expected, 
opening to display only top level headings. Even odder, the extent of 
what is displayed on start-up appears to be a function of the folded 
state when I closed emacs while viewing the file. It certainly varies as 
I open emacs to the file, play with the folding, close emacs, and 
repeat. (This without saving the file.)


2) Where `** Ubuntu' occurs in the snippet above, on startup I have 
`...' and the subsequent level-2 heading is apparently folded away under 
the level-4 heading. I can only make it display if I fold and unfold the 
heading `*** Python' which is the parent of the one in the snippet.


3) If I hit TAB on any of the - lines of the plain list save the last, I 
get the mini-buffer message `EMPTY ENTRY'. If I hit TAB on the last line 
(`- 20h30...') the paragraph `Our main presenter...' gets folded under 
that line.


I rarely make use of plain lists. But, the observed behaviour is not at 
all what the documentation would lead me to expect. Can anyone cast some 
light as to what is going on?


On exploring what I had set to try to track down the problem, I do have 
`(setq org-cycle-separator-lines 1)' in my .emacs. When I comment it 
out, the exact pattern described in (1) alters a bit, but not too the 
expected behaviour. Points (2) and (3) are unaffected.


org-version:   7.01h
emacs version: 23.1.1
ubuntu 10.04
I have not set any org-mode variables that treat of plain lists.

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Re: [Orgmode] puzzling plain list and tree folding behaviour

[Brian van den Broek]

Hi all,

I forgot one detail. Apologies.

Brian van den Broek said unto the world at 10-10-12 01:59 AM:

 Montréal-Python 16
2010-10-18 Mon 18:00-21:30

Montréal-Python 16 will take place in room PK-1620 of UQAM on


snip


- 19h20 Main presentations
- 20h30 Discussions and refreshments at Benelux

Our main presenter is going to be Simon Law and he is going to talk
about Startup Mistakes in Cloud Deployment.


snip


3) If I hit TAB on any of the - lines of the plain list save the last, I
get the mini-buffer message `EMPTY ENTRY'. If I hit TAB on the last line
(`- 20h30...') the paragraph `Our main presenter...' gets folded under
that line.


The behaviour noted at (3) occurs even when I alter the item in question 
so that the `Our main...' line commences several characters to the left 
of the bullet `-'. (My first post had proper indentation in the snippet 
from my org file.)


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Re: [Orgmode] puzzling plain list and tree folding behaviour

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Nicolas Goaziou said unto the world at 10-10-12 04:56 PM:

Hello,


Brian van den Broek writes:



org-version: 7.01h emacs version: 23.1.1 ubuntu 10.04 I have not set
any org-mode variables that treat of plain lists.


Many changes have been made to plain lists since 7.01h. For example,
your third point is definitely gone.

You may upgrade to Org git version.

Regards,

-- Nicolas



Nicolas,

Thanks for the response.

I don't keep up with the list too much, and have very limited elisp. So, 
I've always been leery of being on the bleeding edge, especially with 
software to which I entrust my most important data. But, I might screw 
up my courage and give it a go.


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Re: [Orgmode] puzzling plain list and tree folding behaviour

[Brian van den Broek]

Nicolas Goaziou said unto the world at 10-10-12 04:56 PM:

Hello,


Brian van den Broek writes:



org-version: 7.01h emacs version: 23.1.1 ubuntu 10.04 I have not set
any org-mode variables that treat of plain lists.


Many changes have been made to plain lists since 7.01h. For example,
your third point is definitely gone.

You may upgrade to Org git version.

Regards,

-- Nicolas



Nicolas,

I gathered my courage and downloaded a development snapshot a few hours 
ago. It seems that all three issues enumerated in my first message have 
indeed been taken care of in the checkins between 7.01h and the snapshot 
I have.


So, thanks.

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Re: [Orgmode] Re: How to get \\ in title or author?

[Brian van den Broek]

Bastien said unto the world at 09-09-07 11:33 PM:

Sébastien Vauban wxhgmqzgw...@spammotel.com writes:


#+TITLE: Main title \linebreak Subtitle
#+AUTHOR:Main author \linebreak Second one

DOES WORK. Thanks for your precious help!

I'm not sure to understand the subtle differences between `\\', `\newline' and
`\linebreak', though...


Me neither :)

I've found this, which might help:

  http://www.personal.ceu.hu/tex/breaking.htm

Maybe \linebreak is less context-sensitive than \newline, which would
mean that there are more contexts (like \title and \author) in which 
it behaves as expected.  Just a guess.




Hi all,

The pages are old, but the resource is still very helpful:
http://www.giss.nasa.gov/tools/latex/ltx-99.html
http://www.giss.nasa.gov/tools/latex/ltx-293.html

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Re: [Orgmode] Emacs/Org-mode question

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Markus Heller said unto the world at 31/07/09 05:39 PM:

Hello all,

this might be a typical beginner question ...

I often use the sequence

C-. Ret C-- :

to create this:

- 2009-07-31 Fri:

where the date is today's date.

I'm sure there's a way to create a command for this, but I have no idea 
how.  I'd like to bind this sequence to something like C-c t or similar.


How do I do this?

Thanks and Cheers
Markus


Hi Markus,

I have the following in my .emacs:

(defun date ()
  (interactive *)
(insert (format-time-string %Y-%m-%d %T (current-time
(global-set-key [f11] 'date)

This will at least get you started. See the documentation for 
format-time-string to season as suits.


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Re: [Orgmode] Re: How do you use org for other formats

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Bernt Hansen said unto the world at 30/07/09 01:13 PM:

zwz zhangwe...@gmail.com writes:


I recently found the problem when I want to export the org file to
html and pdf. I guess there will be some people (who are also not so
familiar with the powerful org-mode) bothered by the same issue, that
is, html and pdf requires different org format sometimes.
 - I use $ y = x_1^2 + x_2^2 $ in org, it works for pdf, but not for html
 - _ in text will introduce mess in pdf, not in html


snip


The following test file works fine for me as far as I can tell

,[ x.org ]
| #+TITLE: x.org
| #+AUTHOR:Bernt Hansen
| #+EMAIL: be...@norang.ca
| #+DATE:  2009-07-30 Thu
| #+DESCRIPTION: 
| #+KEYWORDS: 
| #+LANGUAGE:  en

| #+OPTIONS:   H:3 num:t toc:t \n:nil @:t ::t |:t ^:t -:t f:t *:t :t
| #+OPTIONS:   TeX:t LaTeX:nil skip:nil d:nil todo:t pri:nil tags:not-in-toc
| #+INFOJS_OPT: view:nil toc:nil ltoc:t mouse:underline buttons:0 
path:http://orgmode.org/org-info.js
| #+EXPORT_SELECT_TAGS: export
| #+EXPORT_EXCLUDE_TAGS: noexport
| #+LINK_UP:   
| #+LINK_HOME: 
| 
| * Test
| 
|   Some math formulae:
| 
|   y = x_1^2 + x_2^2
| 
|   y^2 = 2x^2 + 1
| 
|   z_2 = x_1 + x_2 + 2 (y_1 + y_2 + r)

`

This renders HTML (C-c C-e b) [*1*] and PDF (C-c C-e d) [*2*] that look
fine to me

-Bernt

[*1*]  http://www.norang.ca/tmp/x.html
[*2*]  http://www.norang.ca/tmp/x.pdf



Hi all,

I don't export from org at all, but Bernt's pdf doesn't look right to 
me. Notice that in the first equation, the exponents appear as `^2' 
(i.e., with the `^' character). As a heavy LaTeX user, I would write 
it as `y = x_{1}^{2} + x_{2}^{2}', but trying Bernt's file with this 
modification, I still had the same result (`^2' in the output as 
opposed to a superscripted `2'). Org 6.28d and emacs 22.2.1 on ubuntu 
8.10.


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Re: [Orgmode] Re: Org Special Ctrl A/E, option reversed

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Rainer Stengele said unto the world at 15/07/09 01:48 AM:

On 15.07.2009 05:47, Brian van den Broek wrote:

Rainer Stengele said unto the world at 14/07/09 05:25 AM:

hi all,

,
| Org Special Ctrl A/E: Hide Value Value Menu after stars/bullet and
before tags first
| State: EDITED, shown value does not take effect until you set or
save it.
| Non-nil means `C-a' and `C-e' behave specially in headlines and
items. Hide Rest

snip

| When set to the symbol `reversed', the first `C-a' or `C-e' works
normally,
| and only a directly following, identical keypress will bring the 
cursor

| to the special positions.

snip

| Groups: Org Edit Structure
`

How can I set this variable to reversed, as indicated in the
paragraph before the last one?
The Value Menu does not include such a value.

Rainer




Hi Rainer,

Put

(setq org-special-ctrl-a/e 'reversed)

into your .emacs.

Best,

Brian vdB




Hi Brian,

thanks, that's intuitive ...
I just thought the value could be set in the variable customisation.
Have a nice day,

Rainer



Hi Rainer,

I mostly use customization for discovery and prefer to maintain my 
configuration independently of its interface. If you've a bit of elisp 
(that's all I've got ;-) it's generally pretty easy to figure out such 
things.


Bastien:

As you are wearing the Carsten-hat for the moment, it strikes me that 
Rainer's expectation that a documented value for the variable would be 
available in the customization value-menu is reasonable. Perhaps the 
reversed option ought to be added to that menu? Alas, I can't 
patch---it really is but a bit of elisp that I've got.


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Re: [Orgmode] Org Special Ctrl A/E, option reversed

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Rainer Stengele said unto the world at 14/07/09 05:25 AM:

hi all,

,
| Org Special Ctrl A/E: Hide Value Value Menu after stars/bullet and before 
tags first
|State: EDITED, shown value does not take effect until you set or save it.
|Non-nil means `C-a' and `C-e' behave specially in headlines and items. 
Hide Rest

snip

|When set to the symbol `reversed', the first `C-a' or `C-e' works normally,
|and only a directly following, identical keypress will bring the cursor
|to the special positions.

snip

| Groups: Org Edit Structure
`

How can I set this variable to reversed, as indicated in the paragraph before 
the last one?
The Value Menu does not include such a value.

Rainer




Hi Rainer,

Put

(setq org-special-ctrl-a/e 'reversed)

into your .emacs.

Best,

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Re: [Orgmode] [org-Calendar] Recurring events with exception on days

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Marcelo de Moraes Serpa said unto the world at 12/07/09 11:47 PM:

Hello list!

Is there a way to schedule an item as a recurring event AND tell org
to exclude it from specific weekdays (for example, Saturday  Sunday)
?

Thanks in advance,

Marcelo.




Hi Marcelo,

The easiest thing is to define n distinct events, one for each pf the 
n days of the week for which you wish to schedule it. When I do that, 
I put them all under a `container' heading that exists solely to group 
them.


That isn't entirely satisfactory, but it works well enough for me. You 
can also use sexp diary entries 
http://orgmode.org/manual/Timestamps.html#Timestamps though I've 
never bothered.


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Re: [Orgmode] Newbie Questions

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Andrew M. Nuxoll said unto the world at 09/07/09 04:37 PM:

2.  Once a TODO item has been marked as DONE, it still shows up on my 
agenda.  Can this be avoided?


I have the following lines in my .emacs:

(setq org-agenda-skip-scheduled-if-done t)
(setq org-agenda-skip-deadline-if-done t)


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[Orgmode] name of face for dates in org agenda?

[Brian van den Broek]

Hi all,

I've changed my overall emacs colour scheme and, as a result, the 
dates in the weekly agenda view are a bit hard to read (dark blue on 
black). I've looked through the interface that M-x org-customize 
brings up, but I don't seem able to find the governing face variable 
name. Little help?


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Re: [Orgmode] Re: name of face for dates in org agenda?

[Brian van den Broek]

Nick Dokos said unto the world at 28/06/09 02:00 PM:

Matthew Lundin m...@imapmail.org wrote:


Brian van den Broek van...@gmail.com writes:


I've changed my overall emacs colour scheme and, as a result, the
dates in the weekly agenda view are a bit hard to read (dark blue on
black). I've looked through the interface that M-x org-customize
brings up, but I don't seem able to find the governing face variable
name. Little help?

On a general note (I'll add an FAQ about this), here are two tips for
finding the names of faces in org-mode (or any other emacs mode):

1) While on the relevant text, simply type M-x customize-face and you
   will be given the option of customizing all faces at the point.

2) Type M-x list-faces-display and browse through the org-mode faces.



In addition to Matthew's points, the following might be useful:

3) While on the relevant text, `C-u C-x =' (what-cursor-position with a
   prefix argument) shows (extra) information about the text under the
   cursor, including the face:


snip


4) While on the relevant text, M-x describe-face (also available from
   the menu Help/Describe/Describe face...) gives you information about
   the face and also allows you to customize it:


snip


Hi all,

Thanks to Manish, Matthew, and Nick for the pointers.

Matthew's (1) and Nick's (4), while good to know about, didn't help 
here: the line with point has the face hi-line which masks the 
underlying face from those commands. (2) and (3) both yield the 
desires information, though, so thanks bunches.


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Re: [Orgmode] Re: Sourceforge community award

[Brian van den Broek]

Carsten Dominik said unto the world at 12/06/09 10:16 AM:

Thank you all for this discussion and contribution!

I am at a loss which we should choose now.  I have put the pictures
both on

orgmode.org/i.html

lets have a vote, or some more discussion.

- Carsten



I like the first one on the page (subdued colours, left-looking 
unicorn) better.


  - It is clear that the logo is not actually part of the screenshot.
  - The item `Show off some of Org's features' provides useful
information not present in the other screenshot.
  - The colour scheme looks better to my eye.

I'd suggest adding a few checkbox items to the `Show off' item. 
`Clocking tasks,' `Simple spreadsheet,' `Export to html and LaTeX,' 
and `Quick capture with remember' seem useful.


Finally, while I hope I am wrong about this, I suspect that it would 
be better were the day abbreviations in English.


Best to all,

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Re: [Orgmode] Re: Sourceforge community award

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Carsten Dominik said unto the world at 11/06/09 04:49 PM:


I also do like Brian's description a lot.  But it is 190 characters,
I am not sure if we can stretch the about 140 this much?  I have
been trying to shorten it a bit - please check if it still captures
the essence.

Here is the current state of our reply to Sourceforge - please comment


1. Complete this sentence in about 140 characters: Our project is
[-foo-].  For example, Our project is a tool that helps you wash your
car.



   Org-mode masters personal/project information your way, in plain text,
   with features out of your way until you want them, backed by the
   power of Emacs.


Hi all,

I'm glad my contribution was of some use. I noticed it was too long 
only after I sent it. (I plead sending at 02:30 and a life as yet 
innocent of tweets and sms :-)


`data' for `information' shaves off a fair bit.

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Re: [Orgmode] Re: Sourceforge community award

[Brian van den Broek]

Carsten Dominik said unto the world at 12/06/09 12:10 AM:


On Jun 11, 2009, at 11:31 PM, Dan Davison wrote:


snip

(unless (string-match Our project is a 
sourceforge-submission-sentence 0)

 (message shouldn't we follow the instructions?))


1. Complete this sentence in about 140 characters: Our project is
[-foo-].


This is a good point, maybe they will be picky about it.

Also, I am now thinking the 140 chars, what to the english native 
speakers here think:  Is this includin or excluding the given sentence 
start?


I'm not doing so well at following instructions for this task :-[

To this native English speaking ear, it naturally interprets as asking 
for approx. 140 chars to be added to the `Our project is' lead in. 
However, the phrasing is a bit ambiguous.


What about changing the project's name to `OM'? That'd shave 6 more 
chars! ;-)


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Re: [Orgmode] Sourceforge community award

[Brian van den Broek]

Carsten Dominik said unto the world at 09/06/09 08:48 AM:

OK, in my last email I already said that we have been selected
as a finalist for the Sourceforge Community Award in the category

Most Likely to Change the Way You Do Everything.

I am *very* excited about this, and I would love *us* to win
this award or at least deliver a very good showing.


snip


Below are the questions from sourceforge, let the brainstorming begin!

- Carsten

--

1. Complete this sentence in about 140 characters: Our project is
[-foo-].  For example, Our project is a tool that helps you wash your
car.


Org-mode allows you to master your personal and project information 
your way, in plain text, with features which stay out of your way 
until you want them, all backed by the power of Emacs.


(I didn't notice a mention of Emacs in other suggestions; seems 
essential to me.)




3. Please provide a logo (or screenshot, if you'd prefer) for your
project.  It should be at least 640x480, but we'll also be showing it
as a thumbnail.


If you go the screenshot way (along the lines of Carsten's mock-up), 
I'd suggest using split windows to show off more than one aspect of 
org-mode. I'm thinking a vertical split with an agenda buffer in one 
window. Static screenshots don't really do org-mode justice---it's 
text and superficially just text---and that might give a glimpse into 
how it is more.


Congrats on the well deserved finalist slot.

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Re: [Orgmode] BUG: column view in agenda -- marker does not point anywhere

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Bernt Hansen said unto the world upon 21/01/08 08:32 AM:

Carsten Dominik [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


So far I cannot reproduce this problem.  One helpful thing would be to
post
a full backtrace, made with uncompiled org.el that will tell me exactly
which function tries to use an undefined marker.


How do I generate a debug backtrace again?  I tried finding this on
the list but failed :(


http://orgmode.org/manual/Feedback.html#Feedback

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Re: [Orgmode] Scheduled events persists unless deleted

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Carl Bolduc said unto the world upon 09/05/2007 09:02 AM:

Hi!

Still very new to Org... my setup is very simple at the moment, 1 file for
work and 1 file for home. At the top of each of those files, I keep a *
Event entry and I put my meetings and events under there.

If , for example, and event is scheduled for yesterday, it will show up
today as well in my agenda, with 2x in front of it. I have to delete the
entry if I want it to go away. Since these are often not related to ToDo, I
would like to keep them but I would like them to appear only on the day they
are scheduled.

Is it possible?
Thanks,
Carl


Hi Carl,

I'm pretty new, too. But, for an event such as a meeting, have you 
tried not scheduling it, but instead simply marking it with an active 
timestamp? Try something like this:


* Events

** Meeting with with Pat about foos and bars
   2007-09-09 10:30-12:00

*** TODO Prepare notes on foos and bars for meeting with Pat
SCHEDULED: 2007-09-04 Thu DEADLINE: 2007-09-08 Mon -2d


HTH,

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Re: [Orgmode] Scheduled events persists unless deleted

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Brian van den Broek said unto the world upon 09/05/2007 09:22 AM:

snip


*** TODO Prepare notes on foos and bars for meeting with Pat
SCHEDULED: 2007-09-04 Thu DEADLINE: 2007-09-08 Mon -2d



Hi all,

To forestall possible confusion: the days of the week are messed up 
because I composed my last in my email client by copy, paste, and 
adjust of actual org mode schedule and deadline data rather than in an 
org-mode buffer. Oh, and this all occurred before my first coffee 
brewed :-)


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Re: [Orgmode] Scheduled events persists unless deleted

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Carl Bolduc said unto the world upon 09/05/2007 09:27 AM:

my response at bottom


Nice!, that fixes my problem. Although I liked the fact that I could hit C-c
C-s to get the calendar and just clicking on the date to schedule the
events. Is there another key binding to trigger the calendar for selecting a
timestamp without scheduling the event?
Thanks,
Carl

On 9/5/07, Brian van den Broek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Carl Bolduc said unto the world upon 09/05/2007 09:02 AM:

Hi!

Still very new to Org... my setup is very simple at the moment, 1 file

for

work and 1 file for home. At the top of each of those files, I keep a *
Event entry and I put my meetings and events under there.

If , for example, and event is scheduled for yesterday, it will show up
today as well in my agenda, with 2x in front of it. I have to delete

the

entry if I want it to go away. Since these are often not related to

ToDo, I

would like to keep them but I would like them to appear only on the day

they

are scheduled.

Is it possible?
Thanks,
Carl

Hi Carl,

I'm pretty new, too. But, for an event such as a meeting, have you
tried not scheduling it, but instead simply marking it with an active
timestamp? Try something like this:

* Events

** Meeting with with Pat about foos and bars
2007-09-09 10:30-12:00

*** TODO Prepare notes on foos and bars for meeting with Pat
 SCHEDULED: 2007-09-04 Thu DEADLINE: 2007-09-08 Mon -2d


HTH,

Brian vdB






Hi Carl,

I'm glad that helped.

For the new question:

  C-h f org-time-stamp

should sort you out.

Two other things:

1) Please reply to the list by default, not to me personally. (`Reply 
to All' should be an option in your mail client.)


2) Unless someone leaps into to tell me that I'm wrong about the 
emacs-orgmode list culture, please don't top post.



Best,

Brian vdB


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[Orgmode] canonical modifications to makefile for ubuntu feisty emacs 22.1.1?

[Brian van den Broek]

Hi all,

In addition to being pretty new to org-mode, I'm also an emacs novice. 
I am running ubuntu feisty with emacs 22.1.1 from the feisty backports 
repository.


At some point, I made a mess of things in upgrading org-mode; stupidly 
I sometimes modified the makefile so as to install the local lisp 
files to a local lisp tree ~/emacs/site-lisp (loaded by my .emacs) and 
sometimes so that they ended up in /usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp. 
My bad.


This just bit me as I installed 5.08 and ended up running 5.07a 
despite that until I worked things out. Bandage applied to foot, all 
seems fine for now.


But, I'd like not to shoot myself again. As yet, I've been modifying 
the makefile on the basis of hope, rather than knowledge.


Could someone with a similar OS/emacs combo please suggest what's the 
right thing to do?


Thanks and best,

Brian vdB


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