Re: Org-cite/Citar cannot recognize neither biblatex nor natbib

2022-05-13 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Fri, May 13, 2022 at 9:32 AM Alessandro Bertulli wrote: > Last thing: I heard that the citation part of the manual is still > undocumented. Is this right? If so, do you think what we discovered > (especially about manually requiring libraries) may be useful? May I > help? It's not

Re: Org-cite/Citar cannot recognize neither biblatex nor natbib

2022-05-13 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Fri, May 13, 2022 at 9:15 AM Alessandro Bertulli wrote: ... > So, shall we conclude that latexmk has an issue with correctly > recognizing natbib and calling bibtex? Yes! I just tried it now, and see the same thing. It's weird, because I don't recall seeing that before. I'd call that a

Re: Org-cite/Citar cannot recognize neither biblatex nor natbib

2022-05-13 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Fri, May 13, 2022 at 6:54 AM Eric S Fraga wrote: > > On Friday, 13 May 2022 at 11:55, Alessandro Bertulli wrote: > >> Check out org-latex-pdf-process maybe? > > > > I don't know the library so in depth, but I'll try, thank you! > > I have the following in my init file: > > (setq

Re: Org-cite/Citar cannot recognize neither biblatex nor natbib

2022-05-12 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Thu, May 12, 2022 at 2:31 PM Alessandro Bertulli wrote: > > Hi Bruce, > thank you for your help. Indeed, loading both functionalities > (require 'oc-biblatex) > (require 'oc-natbib) > did the trick. That's strange, though: my version of Org (get from M-x > org-version) is Org mode version

Re: Org-cite/Citar cannot recognize neither biblatex nor natbib

2022-05-12 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Thu, May 12, 2022 at 10:48 AM Alessandro Bertulli wrote: > > Hi again. > > After fixing org-ref, I was exploring org-cite and citar. Again, I'm not > sure how to make everything work. When I try to export to a LaTeX pdf > file, I got the error "user-error: Unknown processor natbib", despite >

Re: citation-style-language: new LaTeX package in TL 2022

2022-05-12 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Thu, May 12, 2022 at 7:11 AM Juan Manuel Macías wrote: > I'm not sufficiently familiar (at the moment) with org-cite, but I share > the news here in case this new LaTeX package could have some kind of use > for org-cite export options. I've played with it a bit, and it does look promising.

Re: Org-ref not working when exporting to LaTeX

2022-05-11 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
This is an aside, but I recently learned about citeproc-lua, which adds CSL processing directly to tex and latex. https://github.com/zepinglee/citeproc-lua Now included in texlive 2022. As that evolves more (there are still missing features), it could be another viable alternative. On Wed, May

Re: [oc] multiple cite_export keywords for multiple export processors?

2022-05-11 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Wed, May 11, 2022 at 9:55 AM Ihor Radchenko wrote: > > "Bruce D'Arcus" writes: > > >> Emm. org-cite-export-processors? > > > > So I recognize I don't fully understand the org export system, but > > that sets global defaults. > > >

Re: [oc] multiple cite_export keywords for multiple export processors?

2022-05-11 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Wed, May 11, 2022 at 9:21 AM Ihor Radchenko wrote: > > "Bruce D'Arcus" writes: > > > I just saw a post on reddit that reminded me of this issue. > > > > User wants to use the oc-biblatex export processor for latex export, > > but otherwise use

Re: citation biblatex fullcite

2022-05-11 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Wed, May 11, 2022 at 6:43 AM Andreas Leha wrote: > > "Bruce D'Arcus" writes: > > > On Tue, May 10, 2022, 11:20 PM Andreas Leha > > wrote: > >> > >> Hi all, > >> > >> how can I use the (rather) new citation engine with the b

Re: citation biblatex fullcite

2022-05-11 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Tue, May 10, 2022, 11:20 PM Andreas Leha wrote: > > Hi all, > > how can I use the (rather) new citation engine with the biblatex backend > to export to \fullcite ? We should add a style for this that maps to biblatex fullcite and natbib bibentry, and which ultimately would work as well in

[oc] multiple cite_export keywords for multiple export processors?

2022-05-10 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
I just saw a post on reddit that reminded me of this issue. User wants to use the oc-biblatex export processor for latex export, but otherwise use oc-csl. They want to specify styles for each. This isn't possible currently; one has to modify the org source file for each export target. Is there

Re: Citation glitch

2022-05-05 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
report it to that project? On Wed, May 4, 2022 at 8:45 PM Alan Tyree wrote: > > I'm not sure. > > citeproc-0.9 > citeproc-org-0.2.4 > > On Thu, 5 May 2022 at 10:34, Bruce D'Arcus wrote: >> >> It seems this should have been fixed late in citeproc-el in 2021: >&g

Re: Citation glitch

2022-05-04 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
It seems this should have been fixed late in citeproc-el in 2021: https://github.com/andras-simonyi/citeproc-el/issues/72 Are you using the most up-to-date code? On Wed, May 4, 2022, 8:19 PM Alan Tyree wrote: > G'day, > I have a citation problem. The bibtex entry is: >

Re: overlap between cite syntax and link activation

2022-04-22 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
at 8:55 PM Bruce D'Arcus wrote: > > On Sun, Apr 3, 2022 at 7:46 PM John Kitchin wrote: > ... > > > When I put my cursor on the org-cite line and press spc, I see a message > > box pop up, and the @key has a tooltip of "BARE LINK". > > > > > D

Re: org-cite styles don't allow * in them

2022-04-22 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 4:06 AM Nicolas Goaziou wrote: > If there's no objection, I'll add asterisk character to the list of > allowed characters in citation style. > > More generally, what other characters should be allowed ? This request is to accommodate latex command names, and the only

Re: [PATCH] oc-basic: Detect malformed bibtex bibliographies

2022-04-20 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Wed, Apr 20, 2022 at 8:28 AM Ihor Radchenko wrote: > > There is an edge case triggering infinite loop in oc-basic. > > It is caused by bibtex-map-entries (used in > org-cite-basic--parse-bibtex) when ran on a malformed bibtex buffer [1]. > > The proposed patch validates the bibtex buffer

Re: citations: org-cite vs org-ref 3.0

2022-04-19 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
> Department of Chemical Engineering > Carnegie Mellon University > Pittsburgh, PA 15213 > 412-268-7803 > @johnkitchin > http://kitchingroup.cheme.cmu.edu > > > > On Mon, Mar 21, 2022 at 8:42 AM Bruce D'Arcus wrote: >> >> On Mon, Mar 21, 2022 at 8:23 AM John Kitchin wrote

Re: org-cite styles don't allow * in them

2022-04-18 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Mon, Apr 18, 2022, 5:08 AM Ihor Radchenko wrote: > John Kitchin writes: > > >> In contrast, [cite/citet*:@key] is likely to be used fairly frequently > >> and has much higher chance to break things. > > > > > > We have had a citet*:key link (and all the other * variants) for a long > > time

Re: org-cite styles don't allow * in them

2022-04-16 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Thu, Apr 7, 2022 at 7:30 AM John Kitchin wrote: > On Thu, Apr 7, 2022 at 12:17 AM Ihor Radchenko wrote: > >> "Bruce D'Arcus" writes: >> >> > On Sun, Apr 3, 2022 at 5:07 PM John Kitchin >> wrote: >> >> >> >>

Re: [BUG] org-cite does not support techreport, mastersthesis, phdthesis, and conference entries [9.5.2 (release_9.5.2-426-gf6813d @ /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/org/)]

2022-04-08 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Fri, Apr 8, 2022 at 3:51 PM Rick Lupton wrote: > > I also found this recently. The reason is that BibTeX-dialect is set by > org-cite-basic--parse-bibliography in oc-basic.el based on the file > extension. Renaming your bibliography file to end in “.bibtex” instead of > “.bib” should make

Re: org-cite styles don't allow * in them

2022-04-05 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 12:11 PM John Kitchin wrote: > > Would you find it suitable to use [cite/command:pre @key post] in general? I think it's a reasonable approach that would appeal to some users who would treat org as a front-end to LaTeX primarily, and obviously previous org-ref users, and

Re: org-cite styles don't allow * in them

2022-04-05 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Sun, Apr 3, 2022 at 5:07 PM John Kitchin wrote: > > I was looking into using latex commands as styles in org-cite, e.g. > > [cite/citet:@key]. That example works fine, but [cite/citet*:@key] is not > allowed. Could that be allowed? I have no insight into the restriction, but I hope it can be

Re: overlap between cite syntax and link activation

2022-04-03 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Sun, Apr 3, 2022 at 7:46 PM John Kitchin wrote: ... > When I put my cursor on the org-cite line and press spc, I see a message box > pop up, and the @key has a tooltip of "BARE LINK". > Does anyone else see this? Yes; I see the same thing with your example. Bruce

Re: org-cite and text/Unicode export

2022-04-02 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Sat, Apr 2, 2022 at 10:50 AM Max Nikulin wrote: > I am unsure to what degree it is Org issue, it may be partially > citeproc.el or CSL style issues. One quick way to narrow this down is to run it through pandoc, which supports org-cite. It uses a different, haskell-based, CSL processor.

Re: citations: org-cite vs org-ref 3.0

2022-03-31 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Thu, Mar 31, 2022 at 11:27 AM Max Nikulin wrote: > >> Emphasis and bold markers may appear in plain text export. Behavior of > >> styles is > >> not uniform in respect to adding (unbreakable?) space before citation. > > > > Sorry; not following here again. Isn't the space before a

Re: org-cite styles as flags (idea)

2022-03-30 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
e code discards ones > inconsistent with provided criteria. E.g. (:bare t :author nil :noauthor > t :full nil) for \citeyear, :caps does not matter. > > As at was suggested earlier, /year modifier existing in oc-csl should be > implemented for oc-natbib. > > [cite/author/noauthor:...] should genera

Re: citations: org-cite vs org-ref 3.0

2022-03-29 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Tue, Mar 29, 2022 at 11:23 AM Max Nikulin wrote: ... > >> You even have managed to convince me that, besides adding missing style > >> names, some existing ones should be adjusted. noauthor/bare for citeyear > >> example makes for me much more sense ... > > > > This does need some attention,

Re: citations: org-cite vs org-ref 3.0

2022-03-28 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Mon, Mar 28, 2022 at 8:37 AM Max Nikulin wrote: > > On 28/03/2022 02:40, John Kitchin wrote: > > Max Nikulin writes: > >> On 21/03/2022 18:51, John Kitchin wrote: > > > > Rather than rehash a lot of experiences, I really encourage you to try > > writing a processor that can support this. Or

Re: citations: org-cite vs org-ref 3.0

2022-03-27 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Sun, Mar 27, 2022 at 12:00 PM John Kitchin wrote: > > > Nicolas Goaziou writes: > > > Hello, > > > > Max Nikulin writes: > > > >> Nicolas, concerning a new thread, I have an impression that you are > >> busy with over activities since you are participating in discussions > >> not so

Re: citations: org-cite vs org-ref 3.0

2022-03-27 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Sun, Mar 27, 2022 at 3:41 PM John Kitchin wrote: ... > Regarding that org-cite adds an abstraction layer, how else could one > interpret this (from > https://blog.tecosaur.com/tmio/2021-07-31-citations.html#cite-syntax) > other than abstraction: > > [cite/na/b:@key] or

Re: citations: org-cite vs org-ref 3.0

2022-03-26 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
I obviously can't speak for John, but on this: On Fri, Mar 25, 2022 at 1:11 PM Max Nikulin wrote: > > On 21/03/2022 18:51, John Kitchin wrote: > > > > citenum and bibentry are the only two I am not sure have a CSL analog. As I said in an earlier message, it's no problem to add these. Someone

Re: [oc] provide style/citation preview?

2022-03-25 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Fri, Mar 25, 2022 at 8:55 AM John Kitchin wrote: > I think this kind of preview is well-suited for external packages. You may be right. > There is a subtle point I ran into with this preview approach though, > and that is what is the backend export you want to see? People expect > one

Re: [oc] provide style/citation preview?

2022-03-24 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 12:33 PM Vikas Rawal wrote: >> So I'm just wondering how best to dynamically generate those previews, >> perhaps even just using a pre-selected reference*, and if maybe oc >> could make that easier? >> > > Some kind of overlay that shows citations as they would (at least

[oc] provide style/citation preview?

2022-03-24 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
This is an idea related to an issue John Kitchin and I were trying to sort out a few months back, that he mentioned in another thread. https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-orgmode/2022-03/msg00274.html The question is how to help users understand the relation between oc styles and target

Re: #2 Org mode profiling meetup on Sat, Mar 26 (was: Org mode profiling meetup on Sat, Feb 26 (was: profiling latency in large org-mode buffers (under both main & org-fold feature)))

2022-03-24 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 7:10 AM Ihor Radchenko wrote: > > Dear all, > > There were several people who came to the last meetup looking for > information about debugging Org mode. The last meetup was rather > unhelpful in this regard since we dove into a specific use-case. > > I plan to try once

Re: citations: org-cite vs org-ref 3.0

2022-03-23 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 1:19 PM Max Nikulin wrote: > My point was that it should not be unconsciously ignored. Since the > message was long enough, this particular complain may remain unnoticed. > I can not say that I fully agree with your decision, but I respect it. I > had no intention to

Re: citations: org-cite vs org-ref 3.0

2022-03-23 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 6:04 PM Nicolas Goaziou wrote: > > Hello, > > "Bruce D'Arcus" writes: > > > On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 5:27 PM Nicolas Goaziou > > wrote: > > >> I can add it, but "full" is already the name of a variant, so

Re: citations: org-cite vs org-ref 3.0

2022-03-23 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 5:27 PM Nicolas Goaziou wrote: > > Hello, > > Dominik Schrempf writes: > > > (add-to-list ’org-cite-biblatex-styles ’(“full” nil “fullcite” nil nil)) > > > > (This or something similar should be added upstream). > > I can add it, but "full" is already the name of a

Re: citations: org-cite vs org-ref 3.0

2022-03-23 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 8:52 AM Max Nikulin wrote: > > On 23/03/2022 00:20, Bruce D'Arcus wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 10:42 AM Max Nikulin wrote: > >> > >> John Kitchin, this thread, Sun, 20 Mar 2022 20:31:29 -0400. > >> https://list.orgmode.org/m2sf

Re: citations: org-cite vs org-ref 3.0

2022-03-22 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 10:42 AM Max Nikulin wrote: > > On 21/03/2022 22:19, Bruce D'Arcus wrote: > > On Mon, Mar 21, 2022 at 10:41 AM Max Nikulin wrote: > > > >> A bit of routine work will alleviate some user issues: > >> - add missed styles > > >

Re: citations: org-cite vs org-ref 3.0

2022-03-21 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Mon, Mar 21, 2022 at 10:41 AM Max Nikulin wrote: ... > A bit of routine work will alleviate some user issues: > - add missed styles The initial list of style-command mappings was pretty comprehensive, but we left out some of the more obscure biblatex commands because unsure if they were

Re: =org-cite= links do not work in the =#+title=

2022-03-21 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
There are restrictions on where citations are allowed, and this is one of them. Citar, and I think the oc-basic, insert processors won't allow you to insert citations in those places. Usually there are technical reasons for the restrictions (IIRC having to do with fontification?), but sometimes

Re: citations: org-cite vs org-ref 3.0

2022-03-21 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Mon, Mar 21, 2022 at 9:13 AM Dominik Schrempf wrote: > > “Bruce D’Arcus” writes: > > > On Mon, Mar 21, 2022 at 8:41 AM Dominik Schrempf > > wrote: > >> > >> Thank you, I can use `citar-insert-edit` to perform this action. > > > > You can actually just use org-cite-insert, which is context

Re: citations: org-cite vs org-ref 3.0

2022-03-21 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Mon, Mar 21, 2022 at 8:41 AM Dominik Schrempf wrote: > > Thank you, I can use `citar-insert-edit` to perform this action. You can actually just use org-cite-insert, which is context aware. > Now, I failed to create a full citation in the text. This corresponds to the > `\fullcite{}' command

Re: citations: org-cite vs org-ref 3.0

2022-03-21 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Mon, Mar 21, 2022 at 8:23 AM John Kitchin wrote: >> A package could be created, say `org-cite-literal-biblatex' which is just a >> copy >> of `oc-biblatex.el' with a different default `org-cite-biblatex-styles' and >> `org-cite-biblatex-style-shortcuts' (or just sets those variables in >>

Re: citations: org-cite vs org-ref 3.0

2022-03-21 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Mon, Mar 21, 2022 at 4:24 AM Dominik Schrempf wrote: > I am trying out `org-cite' right now. It works much better than the last time > (I > am using the `biblatex' backend right now). However, I can not find any > documentation about the available /styles/. > > They are mentioned here:

Re: citations: org-cite vs org-ref 3.0

2022-03-20 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Sun, Mar 20, 2022 at 4:21 PM Dominik Schrempf wrote: > For what it’s worth, I use `org-ref` because fine-grained citation export with > LaTeX (using BibTeX or BibLaTeX) only works with `org-ref`, and not with > `org-cite`. Part of the challenge is this isn't an apples-apples comparison;

Re: citations: org-cite vs org-ref 3.0

2022-03-20 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Sun, Mar 20, 2022 at 9:42 AM Ihor Radchenko wrote: > For citar, why not simply using ivy-bibtex? It supports org-cite, AFAIK. Not really; or rather minimally. Ivy-bibtex supports, for example, inserting of org-cite citations, but not via org-cite-insert. So there are currently no org-cite

Re: citations: org-cite vs org-ref 3.0

2022-03-20 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Sun, Mar 20, 2022 at 10:08 AM Vikas Rawal wrote: >> >> > What is the general view of the community about this? >> >> I don't know about the general view of the community, but, as a data >> point, I find it very sad. > > > Exactly how I feel. Particularly so because org-cite was indeed inspired

Re: citations: org-cite vs org-ref 3.0

2022-03-20 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Sun, Mar 20, 2022 at 8:09 AM Vikas Rawal wrote: > What is the general view of the community about this? Is there a > comprehensive discussion of pros and cons of each? Not really, but there's John's summary here: https://github.com/jkitchin/org-ref#what-about-org-cite The high-level

Re: [BUG] org-cite: 10 second hang opening a ~4k org file with 10MB bibtex library [9.5.2 (9.5.2-g91681f @ /home/jdm204/.config/emacs/straight/build/org/)]

2022-03-16 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
Thanks for posting this! For Nicolas et al, my more general question about performance with oc-basic was related to this, so you can ignore that. On Tue, Mar 15, 2022 at 1:01 PM Jamie Matthews wrote: > > # Issue > Starting emacs with emacs -Q, then navigating to a minimal example org file >

Re: oc-basic load performance

2022-03-14 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
sure why scrolling would be impacted. On Sun, Mar 13, 2022 at 7:28 PM Bruce D'Arcus wrote: > > I've seen a number of people note how slow loading of BibTeX files is in > oc-basic. > > Just wondering: do we know why, and whether there are opportunities to > improve it? > >

oc-basic load performance

2022-03-13 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
I've seen a number of people note how slow loading of BibTeX files is in oc-basic. Just wondering: do we know why, and whether there are opportunities to improve it? For comparison, parsebib (which I use in citar) is much faster. Bruce

Re: Bibliographies on export with ox-context and ox-epub

2022-01-12 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 11:42 AM juh wrote: > > On 12.01.22 15:53, Nicolas Goaziou wrote: > > Note that Org Cite and Org Ref are, unfortunately, incompatible > > projects. Org Cite defines citations as a new kind of object, whereas > > Org Ref extends links to create citations. In short, you

[org-cite] pandoc adds initial read/write support

2021-12-14 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
John MacFarlane merged initial support for org-cite to the pandoc org reader and writer. Only available in master ATM, but could use real-world testing, including of the org-ref -> org-cite conversion, which you can get by using org as both input and output format. Bruce

Re: Org-cite stuck in Helm minibuffer [9.5.1 (9.5.1-g36086a @ /home/dan/.emacs.d/elpa/org-9.5.1/)]

2021-12-08 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 8:17 AM Daniel Nemenyi wrote: > > With Selectrum, ... (don't know what the keybinding here is) > > Just installed Selectrum to find out. C-j (selectrum-submit-exact-input) does > the trick. If you like Selectrum (Vertico is another recent, similar, alternative), you

Re: Org-cite stuck in Helm minibuffer [9.5.1 (9.5.1-g36086a @ /home/dan/.emacs.d/elpa/org-9.5.1/)]

2021-12-06 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Mon, Dec 6, 2021 at 9:33 AM Daniel Nemenyi wrote: > Apologies, I did ('Thanks org-ref I'm done...'), slip of the tongue. Oh, I missed that; sorry John. > Could have a go though if someone could give me a pointer? But if this is > left to the user, perhaps we should include a line in the

Re: Org-cite stuck in Helm minibuffer [9.5.1 (9.5.1-g36086a @ /home/dan/.emacs.d/elpa/org-9.5.1/)]

2021-12-06 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Mon, Dec 6, 2021 at 8:51 AM John Kitchin wrote: > org-ref should not get any credit for this. Certainly not, but I don't believe anyone mentioned org-ref in this thread? Bruce

Re: Org-cite stuck in Helm minibuffer [9.5.1 (9.5.1-g36086a @ /home/dan/.emacs.d/elpa/org-9.5.1/)]

2021-12-06 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Mon, Dec 6, 2021 at 8:09 AM Bruce D'Arcus wrote: > Perhaps you could customize the keybinding for exiting to get the > behavior you want? Or perhaps a better solution is for someone to write an insert-processor for helm-bibtex. It's not hard to write them. Bruce

Re: Org-cite stuck in Helm minibuffer [9.5.1 (9.5.1-g36086a @ /home/dan/.emacs.d/elpa/org-9.5.1/)]

2021-12-06 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
Presumably you're using the default "basic" org-cite-insert-processor? If yes, that's just how it's designed, using completing-read. Perhaps you could customize the keybinding for exiting to get the behavior you want? On Mon, Dec 6, 2021 at 7:56 AM Daniel Nemenyi wrote: > > > Hello, > > I'm

Re: Concrete suggestions to improve Org mode third-party integration :: an afterthought following Karl Voit's Orgdown proposal

2021-12-05 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Sun, Dec 5, 2021 at 8:42 AM Tim Cross wrote: > I think your working off a false premise. Your view is that org mode > should be available in other editors/software so that others can realise > the power and benefits it provides. I can understand that position. > > However, the FSF position

Re: [ANN] ox-pandoc, revived

2021-11-30 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Tue, Nov 30, 2021 at 9:27 AM Alex Fenton wrote: > > On 30/11/2021 15:09, Bruce D'Arcus wrote: > AFAIK pandoc still doesn't support the official Org Mode syntax. > > ox-pandoc relies on the fact that it first exports to an intermediate > org file before handing off to

Re: [ANN] ox-pandoc, revived

2021-11-30 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Tue, Nov 30, 2021 at 7:50 AM Alex Fenton wrote: > The current version includes initial support for org citations in Org 9.5. > This feature is experimental and I welcome feedback and reports on this or > any other aspect of the package. Did pandoc get support for org-cite? There's been

Re: [org-cite] autoload oc processors?

2021-11-29 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Sun, Nov 28, 2021 at 5:19 PM Nicolas Goaziou wrote: > > Hello, > > "Bruce D'Arcus" writes: > > > Is there any reason not to autoload the processors? > > I am not sure about what you mean. Could you elaborate? Primarily I am asking if there's a way to

[org-cite] autoload oc processors?

2021-11-28 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
Is there any reason not to autoload the processors? Bruce

Re: "Orgdown", the new name for the syntax of Org-mode

2021-11-28 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Sun, Nov 28, 2021 at 4:34 PM Jean-Christophe Helary wrote: > > Considering the total incompatibility between markdown and org-mode it does > not seem to me that ’orgdown’ is a useful name. It will only confuse people > and generate useless comments and counter-comments wherever org-mode

Re: oc-biblatex too aggressive in replacing styles

2021-11-28 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Sun, Nov 28, 2021 at 12:19 PM Bruce D'Arcus wrote: > > On Sun, Nov 28, 2021, 12:04 PM Rasmus wrote: > >> However, I think it is currently too aggressive in overwriting styles. >> >> Could it perhaps accept any style that is given in >> ‘org-cite-biblatex-opt

Re: [oc-csl] org-cite-csl-styles-dir and default-directory

2021-11-28 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Sun, Nov 28, 2021, 11:25 AM Rasmus wrote: > One frustration with oc-csl.el is that is does not like relative dirs, > which I guess is fine overall as one would probably store styles > centrally, somewhere, similarly to LaTeX. > > However, one niece that would seem useful is to simply dump

Re: oc-biblatex too aggressive in replacing styles

2021-11-28 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Sun, Nov 28, 2021, 12:04 PM Rasmus wrote: However, I think it is currently too aggressive in overwriting styles. > > Could it perhaps accept any style that is given in > ‘org-cite-biblatex-options’ / ‘org-latex-packages-alist’ and only > overwrite it if another style is explicitly specified

Re: [oc-basic] fontification weirdness

2021-11-26 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Fri, Nov 26, 2021 at 5:48 AM Nicolas Goaziou wrote: > It should now be fixed. Thanks. Confirmed; thanks! Bruce

Re: [oc-basic] fontification weirdness

2021-11-25 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Wed, Nov 24, 2021 at 4:57 PM Nicolas Goaziou wrote: > > Hello, > > "Bruce D'Arcus" writes: > > > I can't fully pin this down, but I and a couple of others I've > > discussed this with are seeing the following behavior. > > > > With t

[oc-basic] fontification weirdness

2021-11-24 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
I can't fully pin this down, but I and a couple of others I've discussed this with are seeing the following behavior. With this example: a citation [cite:@couper2014] and another [cite:@kohn2006] ... the first citation is highlighted, and the second (and any subsequent) is not. In some way I

Re: insert automatically a reference to a section header and a link

2021-11-23 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Wed, Nov 17, 2021 at 12:18 PM Uwe Brauer wrote: > > I type "As we have seen in section [[*Intro]]" (literally, I tend to > > not use any keybindings or function to insert the link). This (the > > "*Intro" inside double square brackets) is called an internal link to > > headlines and they are

org-cite support merged for Doom biblio module

2021-11-21 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
Just a head's up that org-cite support for the Doom Emacs biblio module is now merged. Currently works best with the new, and now default, vertico completion module, which uses my citar package. So basically, make sure the following are uncommented in your init.el file: - biblio - vertico - org

Re: [DISCUSSION] Refactoring fontification system

2021-11-19 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 9:11 AM Ihor Radchenko wrote: > WDYT? I don't understand all the technical details, but it sounds like a GREAT idea to me in general! Bruce

Re: [org-cite] CSL processor, APA Style, and no-date citations

2021-11-17 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Wed, Nov 17, 2021 at 12:47 PM Rudolf Adamkovič wrote: > In the meantime, can I use the BibLaTeX backend (or something else) for > *HTML* export? I don't believe so, unless there's some good latex -> html solution I'm not aware of. Bruce

Re: [org-cite] CSL processor, APA Style, and no-date citations

2021-11-17 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Wed, Nov 17, 2021 at 9:59 AM Rudolf Adamkovič wrote: > I would like to start using the new citations with the APA Style. To cite in > APA, I use a CSL file. Everything works well with Pandoc, but with Org, all > citations with no "date" BibTeX field render as "$AUTHOR" instead of "$AUTHOR

Re: Project name change: bibtex-actions -> citar

2021-11-05 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Fri, Nov 5, 2021 at 10:23 AM Eric S Fraga wrote: > > On Sunday, 31 Oct 2021 at 18:49, Bruce D'Arcus wrote: > > For those of you who have been using oc-bibtex-actions with org-cite, > > two relevant name changes: > > > > First, packages are now "citar&quo

Re: [PATCH] c-csl : accept relative CSL filenames

2021-11-04 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Thu, Nov 4, 2021 at 6:20 PM Nicolas Goaziou wrote: > I think there are two ways forward when a relative file name is used: > > 1. First check `org-cite-csl-styles-dir' and, if it is nil, expand >against `default-directory'; > > 2. Drop `org-cite-csl-styles-dir' and always expand against >

Re: [PATCH] oc-basic: support biblatex date field

2021-11-04 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Wed, Nov 3, 2021 at 11:16 AM Nicolas Goaziou wrote: > I pushed a change along these lines in bugfix branch. Thank you! > Please let me know if it works for you. This returns the correct result. (org-cite-basic--get-year "kohn2005" nil) How do I get that in the basic activate processor

Re: re-scanning bibliography for org-cite

2021-11-03 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Wed, Nov 3, 2021 at 12:21 PM Nicolas Goaziou wrote: > oc-basic relies on a cache. The cache key contains a hash of the > contents of the bib file. So whenever the bib file is modified, the > cache is invalidated, and oc-basic parses again the file. Of course; clever! Bruce

Re: [PATCH] oc-basic: support biblatex date field

2021-11-02 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Tue, Nov 2, 2021 at 1:44 PM Nicolas Goaziou wrote: > > Hello, > > "Bruce D'Arcus" writes: > > > This is a tiny change that just checks for a 'date' field if 'year' is > > nil, and if present, grabs the first four characters. > > The date field may

Project name change: bibtex-actions -> citar

2021-10-31 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
For those of you who have been using oc-bibtex-actions with org-cite, two relevant name changes: First, packages are now "citar" and "citar-org", and the melpa recipe simply "citar". Naturally all related variable and functions names also change accordingly. Second, the org-cite processor name

[PATCH] oc-basic: add shorten-name function

2021-10-29 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
ier one; is that correct? From c1b634f5c8a31ad98f7453b77fd45ab9322f9cf2 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Bruce D'Arcus Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2021 08:42:27 -0400 Subject: [PATCH] oc-basic: Add function to shorten names * lisp/oc-basic.el (org-cite-basic--shorten-names): new function to shorten author names * lisp/oc-basic.e

[PATCH] oc-basic: support biblatex date field

2021-10-29 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
This is a tiny change that just checks for a 'date' field if 'year' is nil, and if present, grabs the first four characters. Bruce From feee2ca6d54d3495050de334c258438950494372 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Bruce D'Arcus Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2021 08:17:43 -0400 Subject: [PATCH] oc-basic: Support

Re: Keyword completion list: uppercase or lowercase? (was: Shower thought: submit an IETF RFC to register Org as a MIME type)

2021-10-23 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Sat, Oct 23, 2021 at 9:41 AM Ihor Radchenko wrote: > > Carlos Pita writes: > > >>> But then c-a-p is very lenient since it lists lower and upper case block > >>> variants even when I typed a lower case prefix, and upper case usually > >>> will go first in the list, hence promoting a seemingly

Re: [PATCH] oc-bibtex.el: add :follow property from oc-basic

2021-10-21 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 11:58 AM Eric S Fraga wrote: > > Hi Bruce, > > thank you for the quick response. > > On Thursday, 21 Oct 2021 at 11:27, Bruce D'Arcus wrote: > > Maybe I'm missing something, but why is that necessary? > > It's highly likely that I am missing s

Re: re-scanning bibliography for org-cite

2021-10-21 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 10:12 AM Eric S Fraga wrote: > > Dear all, > > simple question: how can I get org-cite to rescan my bibliography (.bib) > file when it changes? When I'm writing a paper, as I'm doing now, I add > entries to my bibliography as I write but org-cite is not aware of any > new

Re: [PATCH] oc-bibtex.el: add :follow property from oc-basic

2021-10-21 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 10:29 AM Eric S Fraga wrote: > > Hello all, > > I may be violating some coding convention but the attached patch re-uses > the org-cite-basic-goto function from the basic org-cite processor to > implement the follow directive for the bibtex processor. Seemed like an >

Re: the tangled web of org-cite, selectrum, completing-read, ...

2021-10-20 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Tue, Oct 19, 2021 at 4:09 PM Eric S Fraga wrote: > > On Tuesday, 19 Oct 2021 at 22:04, Nicolas Goaziou wrote: > >> 1. set =org-cite-basic-author-column= to a larger number > > > > You can ignore this step, which is useful (but is not as you report) > > only when using `basic' insert

Re: the tangled web of org-cite, selectrum, completing-read, ...

2021-10-19 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
The cool thing about embark-act in this context is it provides actions both in the minibuffer and in the buffer at point (in this case, when on a citation). So it's like merging ivy-actions and a hydra. On Tue, Oct 19, 2021, 3:54 PM Eric S Fraga wrote: > Nicolas & Bruce, > > thank you for the

Re: the tangled web of org-cite, selectrum, completing-read, ...

2021-10-19 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
Eric - since you're using selectrum, any reason why not just use oc-bibtex-actions? Performance should be better, and it has a template system like bibtex-completion. On Tue, Oct 19, 2021 at 1:18 PM Eric S Fraga wrote: > > Hello all, > > TL;DR: how can I format the suggestions listed by

[PATCH] org-manual.org: org-cite additions

2021-10-13 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
. Bruce From bdd33dd4efc1cd237dd90dc1a5c5741604cfd807 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Bruce D'Arcus Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2021 18:04:20 -0400 Subject: [PATCH] org-manual: minor org-cite additions * doc/org-manual.org (Handling citations): Add note and example to load a processor package

Re: New user experience ct'd: exporting citations into LaTeX (9.5)

2021-10-13 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
Try adding this where you want the bibliography. #+print_bibliography: On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 5:27 PM Leszek Wroński wrote: > > Guys, > > thank you very much for your responses to my previous query. (I will > study the ebib package more closely; as of now it does not seem to > work with the

Re: Manual suggestion and experience report from a new user (citation processors, 9.5)

2021-10-13 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Wed, Oct 13, 2021, 1:41 PM Leszek Wroński wrote: > Thank you very much! I will explore more. The keys are correct. On > reopening the .org file, the behavior is now consistent: clicking on > any citation does nothing :-) Try org-open-at-point. That at least should work. Bruce

Re: Manual suggestion and experience report from a new user (citation processors, 9.5)

2021-10-13 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
Forgot to reply-all ... On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 11:36 AM Leszek Wroński wrote: > I've been using Emacs for about 20 years, but I'm only now starting to > seriously explore the Org-mode, since I read about the new citation > options. I'd like to report my initial experience since maybe this >

Re: Expanding how the new cite syntax is used to include cross-references - thoughts?

2021-10-12 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Tue, Oct 12, 2021 at 7:28 PM John Kitchin wrote: > > I am not sure it really fits the model of the exporters that are in org, > since it is basically just a pre-processing hook. [snip] > It also is (IMO) a part of org-ref since it uses the links that are defined > in org-ref. I see it as

Re: Expanding how the new cite syntax is used to include cross-references - thoughts?

2021-10-12 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Tue, Oct 12, 2021 at 5:16 PM John Kitchin wrote: > > I think the existing link capability of org-mode is completely adequate for > cross-references. LaTeX exports are almost completely covered in org-ref. I > made a refproc >

Re: Citations: non-page locators placed in front of citation

2021-10-11 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Mon, Oct 11, 2021 at 1:57 PM M. ‘quintus’ Gülker wrote: > As explained, the positioning is now correct. However, instead of the > section § sign it now has two pilcrow signs ¶¶. It should be just one > sign, and it should be a section sign rather than a pilcrow one. Looks like § is currently

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