Re: [O] orgmode + evernote, anyone using it? Use cases?
Alan == Alan Schmitt alan.schm...@polytechnique.org writes: Alan Do you have a reliable system to link to emails? I've been Alan working on this and I'm not too satisfied yet. Not sure what you mean by reliable. I use offlineimap to sync my mail to a local dovecot which I access by tunneling gnus to it. This means I can access emails anywhere, like on a plane. Alan I'm curious about this too: how do you integrate your phone Alan in this setup? I export an ical periodically, which my phone is subscribed to for reminders. For evernote I'm subscribed to the rss feed of a notebook via org. Basically, I only use evernote as a capture/visualization/search tool. The management happens within org.
Re: [O] orgmode + evernote, anyone using it? Use cases?
Alan == Alan Schmitt alan.schm...@polytechnique.org writes: Alan Sorry I wasn't clear. I have the same setup. My question is: Alan how do you get a link from org to gnus that still works even Alan if messages are moved around. I tried nnregistry but it Alan stopped working after I upgraded to Emacs 24.2, so I'd be Alan happy for other solutions. I don't use gnus itself for managing mail, so I don't move things around in it. I keep everything in the imap inbox (except for mailing list things, etc.), and use org to manage links to the mail messages. Alan So things that are captured in evernote stay there to be Alan searched later? Do you link from org to evernote? Yes, I link to the rss entry, which displays the note in the web interface. If I happen to be offline, I can search manually inside the evernote app for that note, not very efficient, but this is rarely the case, so I don't feel the need to optimize for it. Alan And do you have data flow from org to evernote? No, nothing ever flows from org to evernote. Evernote is just a capture/search/visualize tool. Alan (I'm asking all these questions because my current capture Alan mode when I'm away from the computer is to send myself an Alan email, which is not very efficient… so I'd be glad to Alan understand other processes.) As mentioned before, I sometimes use evernote for a photograph and reqall for dictation, both of those land inside my org files one way or the other.
Re: [O] orgmode + evernote, anyone using it? Use cases?
Marcelo == Marcelo de Moraes Serpa celose...@gmail.com writes: Marcelo Hello everyone, As much as I love orgmode, I can't deny Marcelo that Evernote looks slick. I would not replace org by Marcelo Evernote per se, but Evernote does have more polished Marcelo capture tools than orgmode has. Just the simple fact that Marcelo you can drag and drop anything to an Evernote note, and Marcelo it will automatically store/display it accordingly is Marcelo great. Dragging is what bothers me. I practically live inside emacs and pressing one key to capture stuff is about 5 times faster than doing it by dragging, that is, if the app I want to capture from happens to be on the same desktop. I have grown a habit of capturing absolutely everything, which is eased by the fact that I redirect everything I can to IRC or my mailbox, which gives me a very efficient note-taking and communication system. I also have the capability of capturing links to stuff on a remote system (which Evernote can't do). Also, Evernote has no integrated calendar, which really hurts, in org I can capture and add a scheduled/deadline timestamp to the item which effectively implements GTD's recommendation of using the item itself as a reminder. The only useful thing I've ever done with Evernote is take advantage of the OCR search, which means I can capture physical things fast with the smartphone and find them later via search, like bookmarking a page from a physical book or capturing a business card. -- Polytope tetris is so unrealistic
Re: [O] orgmode + evernote, anyone using it? Use cases?
Marcelo == Marcelo de Moraes Serpa celose...@gmail.com writes: Marcelo I used to use Emacs for a lot of other stuff before, but Marcelo decided to be more pragmatic and enjoy apps outside it as Marcelo well. Using apps outside isn't synonymous with being pragmatic. Having everything inside a single app (emacs) helps a lot. I can immediately use it on another system with minimal fuss. I don't have to memorize a new set of shortcuts every time I incorporate a new tool. I do use tools that prove to be more effective, when they are (one of these is omnigraffle, which I fire up via an org mode link), the problem is that it's hard to match the speed of a well-trained emacs geek with a set of GUI-based apps that weren't designed to work together. Marcelo [...] Marcelo OSX is very graphical. Which sucks, IMO. Marcelo Being able to quickly drag and drop items in an Emacs org Marcelo buffer would be a plus, and would also be helpful to less Marcelo technically-savvy/more graphically oriented people Marcelo willing to use org. I don't think org will ever be used by people who are non-tech-savvy or graphically oriented, it wasn't designed for that, it's designed for tweak-freak geeks. Marcelo That sounds *very* interesting. Would you mind sharing a Marcelo bit more about your system? I'm specially curious about Marcelo the capture tools you're using (IRC?). Basically, I use bitlbee which is an IRC gateway to jabber/msn/twitter. I use ERC to connect to bitlbee and several IRC networks. At one point I had a function that display todos according to who was online, then I moved to a less reactive workflow and stopped using it. I use the reqall app to capture things by voice and there's a reqall jabber bot that messages me, then all I need to do is capture stuff from inside the chat buffer (see org-capture-templates). I use gnus for both mail and news, from there, I launch firefox if I have to. I have lots of repetitive status check todos on my agenda, which have links in them, such as: [[elisp:(message-mail f...@bar.com status check)]]. These take an average of 5 seconds each to send out, not 30 seconds were I to do it via the GUI (I know because I time everything via org) and quickly get bored of it because it's too slow. My invoices are also done via an elisp function which exports my clocktable, previews, attaches it to an email and leaves me inside a the mail buffer where I only need to type a custom message body. There's also wiki pages I need to update where I can just link via elisp and have them open in mediawiki-mode with a template already filled in. Same for mailing conversation logs, replying to tech support mail with code via babel, etc. Links are the basis for decent planning, I spend half of my day in planning mode where I write links for everything I'm gonna do while I'm in cranking mode. When I switch over to cranking mode, I just open whatever the task is linking to (like source code, an email, a document, a web article, etc.) and that's enough to switch my brain over to the context of that task and I can just get to work. There's just no combination of OSX apps that give me the same type of power. I'd have to reduce the pace of my life if I didn't use org-mode. Marcelo True. That's a very useful Evernote capture feature, very Marcelo convenient when you just don't feel like writing. I have no problem with writing, but sometimes I don't have writing tools with me, but I always have my phone. Also, getting rid of physical items helps clean up your lifestyle in general. My house used to be filled up with bits and scraps of paper, business cards, ad folders, etc. Now while I still have some paper, there's a lot less of it to manage. Marcelo Now, I agree orgmode has the edge, specially for the Marcelo geekier audience, but Evernote has some great capture Marcelo tools, tools that could be ported to org (food for Marcelo thought) or used in conjunction. Like what? I haven't seen anything useful besides the photograph a note feature. The rest of it is just shortcut keys and I don't consider DND to be useful for capturing, it's just too slow and tedious. Capturing has to be as quick as pushing a button on a camera, otherwise you stop doing it. -- Polytope tetris is so unrealistic
Re: [O] [OT] Xiki - could something like that be done with emacs+orgmode?
Marcelo == Marcelo de Moraes Serpa celose...@gmail.com writes: Marcelo Hi list, I've found a pretty interesting piece of Marcelo software today. It's called Xiki, check out the video: Marcelo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUR_eUVcABgfeature=youtu.be Marcelo I'm wondering it something like that could be done with Marcelo emacs (and possibly integrating orgmode to add the Marcelo outlining features)? It's already done in emacs, see https://github.com/trogdoro/xiki
Re: [O] Thinkbook
Carsten == Carsten Dominik carsten.domi...@gmail.com writes: Carsten Thinkbook App for the iPad. I *really* think these Carsten guys need to put in an acknowledgement for Org-mode. :/ Carsten http://www.148apps.com/reviews/thinkbook/ Carsten http://www.thinkbookapp.com/ They probably won't be able to keep up with the community contributions though. -- Eden Cardim Software Engineer http://blog.edencardim.com +55 73 9986-3963
[O] Org mode articles
Hello Everyone, I just started publishing a series of articles about org-mode, describing my personal setup from start to finish. Thought I'd mention it here in case anyone's interested. The entire article is written in org-mode, published using org2blog and is bootstrappable as-is, in order to mimic my emacs/org-mode setup. -- Eden Cardim Software Engineer edencardim.com +55 73 9986-3963
Re: [O] Export options being ignored
Carsten == Carsten Dominik carsten.domi...@gmail.com writes: Carsten This is fixed now, by looking for white space instead of Carsten beginning-of-word. Thanks for the analysis. Still needs the following patch for it to work: --8---cut here---start-8--- diff --git a/lisp/org-exp.el b/lisp/org-exp.el index 5bf1d1b..cda1f98 100644 --- a/lisp/org-exp.el +++ b/lisp/org-exp.el @@ -864,7 +864,7 @@ security risks. options)) (setq p (plist-put p (car o) (car (read-from-string - (match-string 1 options)) + (match-string 2 options)) p) (defun org-export-add-subtree-options (p pos) --8---cut here---end---8--- -- Eden Cardim Software Engineer edencardim.com +55 73 9986-3963
[O] Export options being ignored
,[ test.org ] | #+OPTIONS: :nil | ** TODO Estimate effort for all of today's tasks |SCHEDULED: 2011-05-05 Thu 06:40 ++1d ` Exporting the above file to pdf results in a file containing the SCHEDULED timestamp in it. I'm running org from git master, commit cd0446243861487096983f09e545105551af7f10 Apparently, all the symbol settings (^:t |:t etc...) exhibit the same behaviour. Options like toc:t, num:t, etc. do work. I'm not familiar with the code that does the parsing of the options so I have no idea where to look in order to debug this. Setting org-export-with-timestamps etc. does work as documented, so I'd say something is going wrong with the parsing. -- Eden Cardim Software Engineer edencardim.com +55 73 9986-3963
Re: [O] org-gnus-follow-link and nnimap-request-scan
Tassilo == Tassilo Horn tass...@member.fsf.org writes: Tassilo No, I just wasn't really sure what that SCAN argument Tassilo means, so I tried to be as safe as possible. If it's Tassilo always safe to provide nil, let's change that. Well, right now all it does is to check split rules against incoming mail. But, if we have a link to a message in org, then that message already went through the split process, so re-splitting is unnecessary. -- Eden Cardim Software Engineer edencardim.com +55 73 9986-3963
[O] org-gnus-follow-link and nnimap-request-scan
After switching to using gnus mail splitting, following links to nnimap messages has become very slow. I'm fairly familiar with the gnus source, but not org-mode's as much, after wading a bit in the source I landed on ,[ org-gnus-follow-link ] |(gnus-activate-group group t) ` ,[ C-h f gnus-activate-group RET ] | gnus-activate-group is a compiled Lisp function in `gnus-start.el'. | | (gnus-activate-group GROUP optional SCAN DONT-CHECK METHOD DONT-SUB-CHECK) | | Check whether a group has been activated or not. | If SCAN, request a scan of that group as well. | | [back] ` which ends up invoking , | (deffoo nnimap-request-scan (optional group server) | (when (and (nnimap-possibly-change-group nil server) |nnimap-inbox |nnimap-split-methods) | (nnheader-message 7 nnimap %s splitting mail... server) | (nnimap-split-incoming-mail))) ` Which is certainly dispensable for visiting articles via nnimap. Switching to ,[ org-gnus-follow-link ] |(gnus-activate-group group nil) ` Makes the linked articles appear nearly instantly. Am I missing something here? -- Eden Cardim Software Engineer edencardim.com +55 73 9986-3963
