Re: What is a week?

[Jude DaShiell]

One of the iso standards has weeks starting on Monday.


-- Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that
order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.

On Mon, 10 Apr 2023, Marcin Borkowski wrote:

>
> On 2023-04-10, at 05:35, Marcin Borkowski  wrote:
>
> > Hi fellow Orgers,
> >
> > I'm trying to wrap my head around the notion of the week, for the
> > purpose of using weekly clock tables.
> >
> > Assume it's Sunday.  I create a clock table with :wstart 0 and
> > thisweek - and apparently my clock table starts 7 days ago.
> >
> > Now it's Monday.  I create a clock table with :wstart 1 and thisweek -
> > and my clock table starts today.
> >
> > What is the logic behind it?
>
> To clarify: I understand that the reason is the `if' from this line from
> `org-clock.el':
>
> (setq diff (+ (* -7 shift) (if (= dow 0) (- 7 ws) (- dow ws)))
>
> (introduced ~10 years ago!).  But why is it coded this way?
>
> Best,
>
>

Re: feature request: easy embedding of images

[Jude DaShiell]

To help accessibility it would be useful when an image was dragged into
org-mode if the user got prompted for an image description that gets
associated with the image in org-mode.  Some images are art work and those
should get alt="" tags if a user fails to provide a description but only
after asking if this image is art work or something that needs a
description.  If a description is provided that should go between the
quotes in the alt="" tag.



Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Mon, 20 Feb 2023, Russell Adams wrote:

> On Sat, Feb 18, 2023 at 04:22:33PM -0800, Alexis Gallagher wrote:
> > Hello, my fellow org-mode lovers,
> >
> > This is a feature request ? or failing that, a request for advice on
> > a settings configuration which could produce this functionality now.
>
> Have you looked at org-attach-screenshot?
>
> https://github.com/dfeich/org-screenshot
>
> It uses org-attach and calls out to take a screenshot.
>
> I do the same with some local function's I wrote a while ago. It works
> very well for me. I run M-x my/org-screenshot, and after 3 seconds it
> will use Imagemagick's "import" command to allow me to select a region
> to screenshot and saves it to a filename I prepared.
>
> I do this daily, many times each day.
>
> > I wish org-mode had the ability to attach images to notes, display
> > them inline, and have that work well. By ?work well? I mean a few
> > specific things:
> >
> > ?   the image is automatically resized to maintain aspect ratio and
> > ?   fit horizontally with a civilized margin, so that I can resize
> > ?   my emacs window without the image disappearing or swamping the
> > ?   other content.
>
> This is Emacs, not Org. Perhaps someone knows how to adjust that.
>
> > ?   you can still scroll the window one line height unit at a time,
> > ?   without the entire image being scrolled as if it were one giant
> > ?   line, breaking scrolling, as seems to happen on my emacs
> > ?   (version 28.x on Linux)
>
> Mine jumps too, but again that's Emacs, not Org.
>
> > ?   drag and drop, so I can add the image by dragging it in, for
> > ?   instance from a screenshot tool or from an image on a web page.
>
> I can't answer that. Drag and drop functions depend on your
> platform. Does anything else in Emacs use drag and drop?
>
> > ?   sensible defaults for storing the images bundled with notes and
> > ?   keeping the two associated, so that I don't subsequently live in
> > ?   fear of ever moving my org files
>
> I do save all of mine to the same directory as my org file in
> .org/Filename.org.screenshotMMDDHHMMSS.png. It means I can easily
> know what files below to my org document.
>
> > Why is this valuable, to me at least? I use org to take notes all
> > day, during meetings, on reading matter, in the development of my
> > own thoughts. Embedding images would let me collect every kind of
> > resource I can't reproduce by typing or copy and pasting text ?
> > photos of slides during presentations, photos of whiteboard, key
> > snippets from websites, handwritten notes and equations, etc..
>
> Of course it's valuable, and already implemented. I think you're
> asking more about refining how you use it.
>
> --
> Russell Adamsrlad...@adamsinfoserv.com
> https://www.adamsinfoserv.com/
>
>

Re: netspend table

[Jude DaShiell]

Yes, I'm using orgmode blind and no I don't have any good resources to
share.



Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Wed, 8 Feb 2023, Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide wrote:

>
> Jude DaShiell  writes:
> > I think if I had known about orgmode when studying adjusted trial balance
> > sheets I would have used it since braille paper has a maximum of 42
> > characters in a line.
>
> Are you using orgmode blind?
>
> If so, do you have a good resource I could send a blind author?
>
> Best wishes,
> Arne
>

Re: netspend table

[Jude DaShiell]

I added that check column to the table and like that feature.  That shows
you the previous balance so errors can be caught humans make not orgmode.
My walmart order got cancelled by walmart so I deleted that row and put an
entry in for amazon to buy the razor WalMart couldn't ship.  The $1.00
transaction fees only happen on withdrawls not deposits with netspend.
Fortunately this isn't the official record but something I track so I have
an idea what's on the card at any time and don't overspend.
I think if I had known about orgmode when studying adjusted trial balance
sheets I would have used it since braille paper has a maximum of 42
characters in a line.
Ways exist to get around that so long as every column will be 42
characters or less, but they're not being used by any of the
braille producers


Jude 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Tue, 7 Feb 2023, TRS-80 wrote:

> Jude DaShiell  writes:
>
> > I think if I ever get good with #TBLFMT lines I'd like to write up
> > tables that cover many more useful and simpler calculation tables now
> > missing from documented orgmode.
>
> I replied separately about the accounting use-case (and I still think
> that's best handled by accounting software).  However I also agree that
> tables (spreadsheets especially) are very, very useful for many things.
> It's so handy having a little table (and some calculations) right there
> in your notes.
>
> It took me quite a while to get the hang of it though, but eventually I
> was able to produce some quite impressive (to myself, anyway) results.
> I guess what I am trying to say is, stick with it, the payoff is worth
> it.
>
> Since you provided this as an example though, we will work with it
> anyway.  If you have some other ideas, post them to the list (in new
> topics).  I think it would be very helpful for a lot of people to see
> some examples of this.  And I'm happy to share what I've learned.
>
> > This is a running balance table and I don't know what kind of a
> > #TBLFMT line would be useful for that either.
>
> You probably want to use a formula referencing relative (instead of
> absolute) locations, something like:
>
> #+begin_src org
>   Original table:
>   |--+--++---+-|
>   | date | transaction  | amount |   fee | balance |
>   |--+--++---+-|
>   | [2023-01-11] | original balance |  +0.00 | +0.00 | +423.17 |
>   | [2023-01-12] | dunkin   | -18.68 | -1.00 |  403.49 |
>   | [2023-01-13] | WalMart  | -28.68 | -1.00 |  384.88 |
>   | [2023-01-16] | Deposit  |  + |   |  634.88 |
>   | [2023-01-17] | Capris   |  - | - |  615.34 |
>   | [2023-01-17] | Mcdonalds|  -4.74 | -1.00 |  609.60 |
>   | [2023-01-18] | verizon  |  - | - |  543.35 |
>   | [2023-01-26] | dunkin   |  - | - |  542.37 |
>   | [2023-02-01] | damgoodcafe  | -13.28 | -1.00 |  528.09 |
>   |--+--++---+-|
>
>   Empty amounts (signs only) removed:
>   |--+--++---+-|
>   | date | transaction  | amount |   fee | balance |
>   |--+--++---+-|
>   | [2023-01-11] | original balance |  +0.00 | +0.00 | +423.17 |
>   | [2023-01-12] | dunkin   | -18.68 | -1.00 |  403.49 |
>   | [2023-01-13] | WalMart  | -28.68 | -1.00 |  373.81 |
>   | [2023-01-16] | Deposit  ||   |  373.81 |
>   | [2023-01-17] | Capris   ||   |  373.81 |
>   | [2023-01-17] | Mcdonalds|  -4.74 | -1.00 |  368.07 |
>   | [2023-01-18] | verizon  ||   |  368.07 |
>   | [2023-01-26] | dunkin   ||   |  368.07 |
>   | [2023-02-01] | damgoodcafe  | -13.28 | -1.00 |  353.79 |
>   |--+--++---+-|
>   ,#+TBLFM: @3$5..@>$5 = @-1 + ($-2 + $-1)
> #+end_src
>
> I am not sure what those signs (+/-) with empty amounts were about, but
> the way I would do it would be to make your entries in the 'amount' and
> 'fee' columns, and then let the running balance column be calculated.
> That's what I did in second table, above.
>
> Let me know if you have any questions.
>
>

Re: netspend table

[Jude DaShiell]

Thanks much for your help on this problem.  I've never done anything with
ledger-cli yet and wasn't aware such a package existed.



Jude 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Sun, 5 Feb 2023, Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide wrote:

>
> Jude DaShiell  writes:
>
> > This is a running balance table and I don't know what kind of a #TBLFMT
> > line would be useful for that either.
> >
> > | date | transaction  | amount |   fee | balance |
> > |--+--++---+-|
> > | [2023-01-11] | original balance |  +0.00 | +0.00 | +423.17 |
> > | [2023-01-12] | dunkin   | -18.68 | -1.00 |  403.49 |
> > | [2023-01-13] | WalMart  | -28.68 | -1.00 |  384.88 |
> > | [2023-01-16] | Deposit  |  + |   |  634.88 |
> > | [2023-01-17] | Capris   |  - | - |  615.34 |
> > | [2023-01-17] | Mcdonalds|  -4.74 | -1.00 |  609.60 |
> > | [2023-01-18] | verizon  |  - | - |  543.35 |
> > | [2023-01-26] | dunkin   |  - | - |  542.37 |
> > | [2023-02-01] | damgoodcafe  | -13.28 | -1.00 |  528.09 |
> > |  |  ||   | |
>
> One thing I could see as useful is a check column to enusre that
>
> balance - amount - fee actually gives the previous balance:
>
> | date | transaction  | amount |   fee | balance |  check |
> |--+--++---+-+|
> | [2023-01-11] | original balance |  +0.00 | +0.00 | +423.17 | 423.17 |
> | [2023-01-12] | dunkin   | -18.68 | -1.00 |  403.49 | 423.17 |
> | [2023-01-13] | WalMart  | -28.68 | -1.00 |  384.88 | 414.56 |
> | [2023-01-16] | Deposit  |  + |   |  634.88 | 634.88 |
> | [2023-01-17] | Capris   |  - | - |  615.34 | 615.34 |
> | [2023-01-17] | Mcdonalds|  -4.74 | -1.00 |  609.60 | 615.34 |
> | [2023-01-18] | verizon  |  - | - |  543.35 | 543.35 |
> | [2023-01-26] | dunkin   |  - | - |  542.37 | 542.37 |
> | [2023-02-01] | damgoodcafe  | -13.28 | -1.00 |  528.09 | 542.37 |
> |  |  ||   | |  0 |
> #+TBLFM: $6='(- $5 $4 $3);N
>
> As you can see, The balance after WalMart does not add up, so I think
> this could be a good check to have.
>
> > Suggestions for any other improvements I could make on this table will be
> > appreciated and implemented if possible.
>
> I use ledger-cli for such tables which can generate suitable output.
>
> https://orgmode.org/worg/org-contrib/babel/languages/ob-doc-ledger.html
> https://www.ledger-cli.org/3.0/doc/ledger3.html#Org-mode-with-Babel
>
> You could do some clever stuff like
>
> #+name: ledger-to-table
> #+begin_src elisp :var data=""
> (concat "#+name: ledger-results\n"
>   data
>   "#+tblfm: \n"))
> #+end_src
>
> #+begin_src ledger :results raw :post ledger-to-table(*this*) :cmdline 
> --register-format "| %(format_date(date)) | %(payee) | %(display_account) | 
> %(display_amount) | %(display_total) | \n" reg -M --wide --date-format 
> %y-%m-%d
> 2022-06-15 * py2guile
> ArneBab:Assets:Autorenhonorar:epubli 3.13?
> ArneBab:Income:sale:nonrpg:epubli
> #+end_src
>
>
>
> #+begin_src elisp :exports results
> (org-babel-do-load-languages
>  'org-babel-load-languages
>  '((ledger . t) ;this is the important one for this tutorial
>   ))
> nil
> #+end_src
>
> #+RESULTS:
>
> If you use ledger-cli for accounting, you can do pretty clever
> post-processing inside org-mode. Here?s an example that uses
> [[https://www.ledger-cli.org/3.0/doc/ledger3.html#Output-customization][--register-format]]
>  to provide the register results directly as an
> org-mode table:
>
> #+begin_src org
> ,#+name: ledger-to-table
> ,#+begin_src elisp :var data=""
> (concat "#+name: ledger-results\n"
>   data
>   "#+tblfm: \n"))
> ,#+end_src
>
> ,#+begin_src ledger :results raw :post ledger-to-table(*this*) :cmdline 
> --register-format "| %(format_date(date)) | %(payee) | %(display_account) | 
> %(display_amount) | %(display_total) | \n" reg -D --wide --date-format 
> %Y-%m-%d
> 2022-06-15 * py2guile
> ArneBab:Assets:Autorenhonorar:epubli 3.13?
> ArneBab:Income:sale:nonrpg:epubli
> ,#+end_src
>
> #+end_src
>
> This results in output like this (evaluated live on

netspend table

[Jude DaShiell]

May I have some help with  this table?
I don't have times for the dates which is why I left the times and week
days out of the dates.
This is a running balance table and I don't know what kind of a #TBLFMT
line would be useful for that either.
I think if I ever get good with #TBLFMT lines I'd like to write up tables
that cover many more useful and simpler calculation tables now missing
from documented orgmode.
Suggestions for any other improvements I could make on this table will be
appreciated and implemented if possible.

| date | transaction  | amount |   fee | balance |
|--+--++---+-|
| [2023-01-11] | original balance |  +0.00 | +0.00 | +423.17 |
| [2023-01-12] | dunkin   | -18.68 | -1.00 |  403.49 |
| [2023-01-13] | WalMart  | -28.68 | -1.00 |  384.88 |
| [2023-01-16] | Deposit  |  + |   |  634.88 |
| [2023-01-17] | Capris   |  - | - |  615.34 |
| [2023-01-17] | Mcdonalds|  -4.74 | -1.00 |  609.60 |
| [2023-01-18] | verizon  |  - | - |  543.35 |
| [2023-01-26] | dunkin   |  - | - |  542.37 |
| [2023-02-01] | damgoodcafe  | -13.28 | -1.00 |  528.09 |
|  |  ||   | |


Jude 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

Re: OS advice

[Jude DaShiell]

To run windows 10 well, I wouldn't do it with anything less than 6gb and
even then a screen reader eats 50% of the throughput.  It doesn't matter
how much memory a machine has once a screen reader runs on it 50% of the
throughput is sacrificed immediately.  That was found out working
accessibility for the navy.



Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Sat, 7 Jan 2023, Juan Manuel Mac?as wrote:

> Ypo writes:
>
> > Hi
> >
> > Orgmode is sometimes desperately slow on my PC:
> >
> > Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-2100 CPU @ 3.10GHz, 3100 Mhz
> >
> > (RAM)4,00 GB
> >
> > I am running Windows 10, everything I use works OK, but Orgmode.
> >
> > Do you think that if I install a Linux OS, Orgmode would run fast? Any
> > OS suggestion?
>
> I've read somewhere that Emacs performance on windows tends to be slow,
> but I can't assure you because the last windows I suffered was W98, and
> at that time I didn't even use Emacs. According to the official GNU
> Emacs website:
>
> #+begin_quote
>
> The reason for GNU Emacs's existence is to provide a powerful editor for
> the GNU operating system. Versions of GNU, such as GNU/Linux, are the
> primary platforms for Emacs development.
>
> However, GNU Emacs includes support for some other systems that
> volunteers choose to support.
>
> [...]
>
> #+end_quote
>
> I don't know what specific performance problems you have with Emacs
> under Windows, but you can post them on the Emacs-devel mailing list to
> help improve Emacs performance on windows.
>
> However, if you are not tied to windows for work reasons or for a
> specific application, my recommendation is that you migrate to
> GNU/Linux. But I also recommend that you try to avoid falling into the
> clutches of distro hopping, at least to begin with :-). In general, any
> of the popular distributions (Ubuntu, Fedora, etc.) is a good choice.
> Even if you want the latest of the latest software, EndeavourOS is an
> excellent derivative of Arch Linux (much better than Manjaro) with a
> very simple graphical installer. Arch itself also has a graphical
> installer, if you want to install it, but I would start with Endeavour.
> In Linux you also have the possibility of installing light desktop
> environments or window managers, which run well with the specifications
> of your PC. Lxde and Lxqt are good options, they have openbox as a
> window manager, which is robust and highly configurable. But if you
> don't want to complicate your life, xfce is a good option. Or Plasma,
> which despite being very attractive, I remember that it did not consume
> too many resources. And later, if you want to come in the world of
> tiling-style window managers, you have a vast territory to explore. I
> was very comfortable with BSPWM for a long time, until I migrated to
> EXWM (Emacs X Window Manager), which is what I've been using now for a
> few years.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Juan Manuel
>
>

Re: OS advice

[Jude DaShiell]

i3 may be a good candidate desktop since it's supposed to be light on
resource useage.



Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Sat, 7 Jan 2023, Tim Cross wrote:

>
> Ypo  writes:
>
> > Hi
> >
> > Orgmode is sometimes desperately slow on my PC:
> >
> > Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-2100 CPU @ 3.10GHz, 3100 Mhz
> >
> > (RAM)4,00 GB
> >
> > I am running Windows 10, everything I use works OK, but Orgmode.
> >
> > Do you think that if I install a Linux OS, Orgmode would run fast? Any OS 
> > suggestion?
> >
>
> Sadly, the answer is likely "that depends". There are just too many
> unknown variables to provide a definitive answer. However, what I can
> tell you is
>
> - I have frequently taken hardware which users have found old and slow
>   when running Windows and given it a new life running Linux. Linux can
>   certainly perform better with less resources given some caveats.
>
> - Unlike Windows, Linux comes with a wide variety of destkop
>   environments and window managers. Some are resource hungry and others
>   are extremely light-weight. Selecting the right window manager will be
>   crucial. For older and slower machines with only a small amount of
>   memory, I would consider window managers like XFCE or maybe MATE.
>
> - From the specs you provide, my guess is that memory is your main
>   bottle neck. This would further suggest that if you were to switch to
>   Linux, avoid memory hungry desktop environments like Gnome or
>   KDE. AGain, XFCE is small and fast and very reliable. It lacks the
>   visual candy of other environments, but given your specs, something
>   needs to be given up and visual candy seems a good starting
>   point. However, this change will likely require some adjustment on
>   your part. While there is little you cannot do on a Linux system, the
>   level of integration and automation 'out of the box' is likely to be
>   less. You will certainly be able to create an environment which is
>   just as efficient and convenient as Windows, but it will likely take
>   additional effort and willingness to adapt on your part.
>
> - Emacs and org mode can also be memory hungry. It is possible (likely
>   in fact) that you could get much better performance, even under
>   windows, by modifying how you use org mode. Things I would recommend
>   include
>
> - Keep your org files as small as possible. Use multiple files
>   rather than one big file.
> - Don't load any Emacs packages you don't actually use. Don't
>   load/install any org packages you don't actually use/need.
>
>
> A common error I see people make now that we have convenient emacs/elisp
> packages is to install lots of packages. When I've been helping people
> with Emacs performance, the first thing we do is go through all the
> things they have installed/configured. Frequently, there are lots of
> things installed which they never use.
>
> What I sometimes recommend is that they comment out as much of their
> Emacs and org configuration as possible and then use the system for a
> few days. During this time, only enable something once you find you need
> it. It is often surprising to them how much stuff they had configured or
> installed which they really never used. The other benefit is that
> smaller and simpler setups are less likely to have undesired side
> effects or interactions with other packages, leading to fewer problems
> and increased stability.
>
> At the end of the day, a system with only 4Gb of memory is on the tight
> side for a modern setup. I would argue the minimum size these days is
> more like 8Gb and a 'good' setup is at least 12Gb. I personally have a
> minimum of 16Gb and prefer 32Gb, but I also use a lot of VMs and other
> container techniques to manage multiple stable and unrelated development
> environments. On the other hand, my wife and children use small systems
> running Linux XFCE with only 4Gb and find them quite adequate for what
> they do (mainly email, surfing the web, basic office documents with
> libre office etc). These systems are things like asus notebooks, small
> form factor, slower CPU and 4Gb memory. They find them quite adequate
> and appreciate the small form factor, but they also don't spend 8 hours
> a day on them!
>
>

Re: OS advice

[Jude DaShiell]

Why not use a linux live disk and take the operating system for a spin
without disrupting any of windows?  The live cd's allow for trial before
installation.



Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

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On Fri, 6 Jan 2023, orzodk wrote:

> Greg Minshall  writes:
>
> > Ypo,
> >
> >> Do you think that if I install a Linux OS, Orgmode would run fast? Any
> >> OS suggestion?
> >
> > it might (*).  if it's not too hard to install linux (i have no idea), you
> > might figure out some sort of benchmark for your org experience, then
> > try switching, see what happens.  (there are a lot of variables.)
> >
> > good luck.  Greg
> >
> > (*) as a linux enthusiast, and a knee-jerk windows-denier, i want to
> > *believe* it will; that mostly unfounded belief will be of little help
> > to you, though.
>
> I'm in a similar boat, Linux enthusiast, but you're at a point of
> frustration where reinstalling an OS is an option then unless you're
> looking for an execuse to install Linux you might start by reinstalling
> Windows.
>
> If a fresh copy of Windows with years(?) of cruft removed still isn't
> suitable then you might do as Greg suggests and try Linux to see if you
> prefer that experience.
>
>

Re: Init.el need just for org-mode?

[Jude DaShiell]

.emacs could be used for orgmode as well as init.el.  I have all my
orgmode stuff in my .emacs.
What I don't yet know are any advantages of using init.el as opposed to
.emacs.



Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Wed, 2 Nov 2022, Renato Pontefice wrote:

> I?m sorry for this simply question, but I?m starting using emacs and org-mode 
> and I made some confusion.
>
> Init.el
>
> Need just for org -mode? Not for emacs right?
>
> Thank you
>
> Renato
>

Re: Can someone give an init.el wherein can start customize it?

[Jude DaShiell]

If you want some extra things done, yu could do it using .emacs rather
than init.el.



Jude 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Tue, 1 Nov 2022, Renato Pontefice wrote:

> Ok,, I can start from clean init.el, but I saw that emacs works also without 
> init.el.
> Do I have to create an emptying.el that I improve step by step?
>
> Renato
>
> > Il giorno 1 nov 2022, alle ore 20:09, Quiliro Ord??ez  
> > ha scritto:
> >
> > El 2022-11-01 09:49, Renato Pontefice escribi?:
> >> Maybe I think my init.el is too dirty.
> >> Can someone give me an init.el that I can use as base to customize (if
> >> I want) something that can works without correct the old one
> >
> > I sugest not to learn that way.  I suggest you start with a clean
> > configuration file and add one line at a time.  Then, you will
> > understand each and every line you insert.  If you start with a giant
> > configuration, you will just replicate the configuration someone else
> > likes and you will take a long time to understand what is happening and
> > how to change what happens.  Anyway, it might work for you!
> >
>
>
>

Re: Best android app

[Jude DaShiell]

Lightning detector pro is one I'd recommend once allowed to use location
all of the time and notifications get enabled.  You get notified of a
lightning strike as far as 40 miles away in any direction.
You asked a very open question so I'll put a couple more here.
All_Tools has lots of capabilities you may be able to use like telling you
the room temperature and any result you get you can share by text message.
There's a rain detector app that can go nicely with lightning detector pro
too.



Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Fri, 14 Oct 2022, Renato Pontefice wrote:

> Hi,
> I?m wondering with is the best Android app to use on my phone.
>
> Thank you
>
> Renato
>

Re: Org HTML export accessibility (was: org exported pdf files)

[Jude DaShiell]

One thing I vividly remember doing Navy mandatory trainings was several
instances when providers had mouse cursor and keyboard disabled so the
only way to proceed was to have a sighted person position and click the
physical mouse!



Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Thu, 29 Sep 2022, Tim Cross wrote:

>
> Ihor Radchenko  writes:
>
> > Tim Cross  writes:
> >
> >> Note that org also lacks any accessibility support for HTML generated
> >> documents as well. However, this is less problematic as authors do have
> >> some ability to add the necessary attributes that can improve
> >> accessibility - an option not available with Latex.
> >
> > Can we do anything about it?
> > Are there any available standards on how accessible HTML document should
> > look like?
> >
> > Unlike PDF where we rely on LaTeX, Org generates the final form of the
> > HTML documents. Hence, we have the full control (and responsibility) to
> > support accessibility. At least, as a customization.
>
> Yes, there are 2 standards/guidelines which are probably relevant for
> org mode
>
> - Web Content Accessibility Guide (WCAG v2) 
> https://www.w3.org/WAI/standards-guidelines/wcag/glance/
>
> and the
>
> - Authoring Tools Accessibility Guide (ATAG) 
> https://www.w3.org/WAI/standards-guidelines/atag/
>
> The first standard is about ensuring content is as accessible as
> possible. The second one is about ensuring authoring tools are
> accessible and on how authoring tools can be implemented to assist
> people in creating accessible content. It is this last goal which makes
> the second standard potentially relevant for org mode.
>
> There are also a number of tools out there which can be used to evaluate
> the accessibility of specific content. However, I find such tools are of
> limited benefit. The problem is, such tools rely heavily on conventions
> and heuristics. For example, they can alert you to images with no alt
> attribute. However, sometimes, not having an alt attribute actually
> improves accessibility (there is nothing worse than a web document which
> has alt tags on images used solely for formatting purposes!).
>
> The big difference between PDF and HTML is that HTML is essentially a
> 'tagged' format. In many respects, this makes it much easier. However,
> it also puts more responsibility on the author.
>
> From an org-mode perspective, the key things which need to be maintained
> (and which perhaps we could make even easier or possibly have
> 'defaults') is the ability to add the alt attribute to any non-text
> element. For example, images, videos, sound files etc. All such content
> should always have some text describing the 'element'. However, it is
> also important to be able to not have an alt tag in some situations (for
> example, when using images as 'spacers' for formatting etc, we don't
> want an alt tag. Things to be aware of are things like using single
> characters or symbols (e.g. < and > for previous/next) or using unicode
> and other symbols whose meaning/purpose may seem very obvious when
> viewed, but is less so when 'spoken'.
>
> From an authoring perspective, it probably would be good if org mode was
> able to alert the user to content which lacks an alt attribute but which
> probably should have one e.g. an image with no caption, a link to a
> video/audio file etc.
>
> One area which may need more investigation is with the rendering of
> tabular data. Having the correct tags (i.e.  for data and  for
> headings, is very important. Other areas which may need to be verified
> as being formatted correctly with adequate ARIA attributes are elements
> relating to navigation, indexing and referencing/footnotes.
>
> The big problems with accessibility in web content tend to come about
> from dynamic content, javascript and CSS. Plain HTML documents tend to
> be quite good provided the appropriate tags have been used. Where things
> become difficult is when you have content which is rendered based on
> dynamic variables - for example, content which is hidden/revealed via
> mouse clicks etc.
>
> The other important area often overlooked and which probably does need
> some work done is with keyboard navigation. As you can probably imagine,
> for blind and vision impaired users, the mouse cursor is a challenge and
> any web page which requires you to move the mouse and click on an
> element/link can be a challenge. having consistent keyboard navigation
> is important. THis is particularly relevant when dealing with data input
> via web forms etc.
>
> Of course, there is one very good way to assess the accessibility of a
> web page - use a screen reader and try navigating, browsing and reading
> some content with your eyes closed. If, for example, you find when
> hitting tab to move through 'elements' in the page that it is impossible
> to follow the structure or flow of the content (either 

html accessibility and orgmode

[Jude DaShiell]

This may be informative.
https://beta.ada.gov/resources/web-guidance/#top
Release date on this was March of 2022.



Jude 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

Re: org exported pdf files

[Jude DaShiell]

I've never done anything with latex.  The closest I got to latex was using
groff for a little bit of time a long time ago.  On this one I'm in way
over my head without scuba gear.  Apparently html and adobe left latex in
the dust in so far as accessibility is concerned.



Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Wed, 28 Sep 2022, Tim Cross wrote:

>
> Jude DaShiell  writes:
>
> > It was one of the messages from this list that got me that reply.  For
> > now, when I get a pdf file I try extracting it with pdftotext and read the
> > extracted text.  I don't make pdf files or make pdf files available for
> > anyone else.  How adobe accessibility recommendations for pdf files will
> > translate to Linux I don't know many were geared toward windows if memory
> > serves.  I haven't used windows since 2013 and don't intend using windows
> > for the duration either.
> >
>
> The problem is not with org mode, but rather with the limitations of
> Latex. The basic problem is that latex pre-dates accessibility concerns
> and lacks full support for tagging, alt text and other document
> structure information necessary to make PDF files accessible. Adding a
> language environment setting will have only minimal benefit. It is the
> tagging and other structural information which is necessary to make
> things really accessible i.e. the ability to browse a PDF document and
> retain the structural relationships within the document and use that
> information in a meaningful way - consider for example, browsing data
> inside a table within a PDF document.
>
> There are accessibility working groups within the tex/latex community
> who have been working on trying to improve accessibility of documents
> created using latex and some progress has been made. However, it is
> nowhere near the same level of sophistication as supported by other PDF
> generators, like adobe's suite, which has very good accessibility
> support and can enable production of some of the best accessible
> documents I've used.
>
> There are a couple of additional latex packages which can be added to
> documents which will provide some tagging and other structural
> information which will significantly improve the accessibility of PDF
> documents. I've not tested these with different engines.
>
> https://ctan.org/pkg/accessibility?lang=en
>
> and you would want ot add
>
> \usepackage[tagged, highstructure]{accessibility}
>
> to your packages list.
>
> To add accessibility for math formulas etc, you need
>
> https://ctan.org/pkg/axessibility?lang=en
>
> and add
>
> \usepackage{axessibility}
>
> As with other authoring, you also need to consider accessibility
> requirements when creating your documents and do things like adding \alt
> textg for figures etc.
>
> It would probably be good to add the two above packages as part of the
> 'default' package preamble, but this would require considerable testing
> as it isn't known if there will be adverse effects when mixed with other
> packages.
>
>
>

Re: org exported pdf files

[Jude DaShiell]

It was one of the messages from this list that got me that reply.  For
now, when I get a pdf file I try extracting it with pdftotext and read the
extracted text.  I don't make pdf files or make pdf files available for
anyone else.  How adobe accessibility recommendations for pdf files will
translate to Linux I don't know many were geared toward windows if memory
serves.  I haven't used windows since 2013 and don't intend using windows
for the duration either.



Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Wed, 28 Sep 2022, Timothy wrote:

> Hi Jude,
>
> > I have done nothing with exporting to pdf from orgmode since several years
> > ago I was told orgmode pdf?s were not accessible.
>
> Do you know where this information came from? And what do you use now?
>
> All the best,
> Timothy
>

Re: org exported pdf files

[Jude DaShiell]

I checked that out and putting the example text into my .emacs file
generates a warning when emacs starts up  I put the parens and everything
between the parens in the .emacs file and that caused the warning to be
thrown.
What may work and circumvent all of this would be to add:
#+LANGUAGE: en
into a text source file which is part of the files exported through
orgmode pdf.
Adobe has plenty of pdf accessibility guidelines available for those
interested in accessibility to implement.
if those #+ items are called orgmode-directives maybe an
orgmode-accessibility directive could be used at minimum to put the
system's default org-export-language directive into that source text file
that goes into the pdf file.
I have done nothing with exporting to pdf from orgmode since several years
ago I was told orgmode pdf's were not accessible.



Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Tue, 27 Sep 2022, Ihor Radchenko wrote:

> Jude DaShiell  writes:
>
> > Having examined 13.10.2, with the polyglossia package installed and
> > accessible to orgmode putting set-language into the right place would
> > default to English and other languages would need to specify their
> > language for a pdf export.
>
> The default can be changed in your Emacs configuration. Check out
> org-export-default-language.
>
> > On Linux I have espeak-ng running as default
> > and I run orca as necessary.  I mostly live on the command line so orca is
> > used rarely.
> > I think a reasonable test of export quality will be to make a pdf with
> > orgmode then run that pdf through pdftotext and compare the extracted text
> > with the pdf file.  I can't do that since without use of pdftotext the
> > screen readers will not work on pdf files.
>
> I checked on of my exported PDFs, and it looks mostly consistent with the
> org source from a brief look. The only minor deficiency is sparkled text
> from included vector images with text, but I imagine that it is common
> and may or may not be a real deficiency.
>
> Do note that Org to PDF export works by first exporting to a .tex file
> and then running TeX. As long as TeX makes a decent job with PDF
> accessibility, we should be good to go. Just need to make sure that we
> pass the correct options to TeX in the generated .tex file.
>
> You mentioned that one of the TeX options is setting the correct
> metadata. I am not aware about other required options that can improve
> accessibility. If you know any, feel free to share.
>
> Also, you can refer to our previous discussion about accessibility of
> documents exported by Org.
> https://list.orgmode.org/orgmode/87czew3w5l.fsf@localhost/
>
>

Re: org exported pdf files

[Jude DaShiell]

Having examined 13.10.2, with the polyglossia package installed and
accessible to orgmode putting set-language into the right place would
default to English and other languages would need to specify their
language for a pdf export.  On Linux I have espeak-ng running as default
and I run orca as necessary.  I mostly live on the command line so orca is
used rarely.
I think a reasonable test of export quality will be to make a pdf with
orgmode then run that pdf through pdftotext and compare the extracted text
with the pdf file.  I can't do that since without use of pdftotext the
screen readers will not work on pdf files.



Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Tue, 27 Sep 2022, Ihor Radchenko wrote:

> Jude DaShiell  writes:
>
> >> Have you tried Org-exported pdfs on screen-reader?
> >> (I haven't, so I am curious to see if there are any improvements we can
> >> make in this area).
> >>
> > Not yet, but that will be on my list.  Is that latex template
> > automatically used by orgmode when doing a pdf export or is code needed
> > in some file to pull it in?
>
> Yes, the template is used by default. You can also control what is
> filled in there in export settings (see 13.10.2 LaTeX specific export 
> settings)
>
> And, of course, you can override/extend it if necessary.
>
>

Re: org exported pdf files

[Jude DaShiell]

Jude 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Tue, 27 Sep 2022, Ihor Radchenko wrote:

> Jude DaShiell  writes:
>
> > can these files include the language attribute like what happens in
> > microsoft word?
>
> AFAIK, yes. See org-latex-hyperref-template
>
> > If yes, and the contents are text that would go a long
> > way to making those pdf files screen-reader accessible.
>
> Have you tried Org-exported pdfs on screen-reader?
> (I haven't, so I am curious to see if there are any improvements we can
> make in this area).
>
Not yet, but that will be on my list.  Is that latex template
automatically used by orgmode when doing a pdf export or is code needed
in some file to pull it in?
>

org exported pdf files

[Jude DaShiell]

can these files include the language attribute like what happens in
microsoft word?  If yes, and the contents are text that would go a long
way to making those pdf files screen-reader accessible.



Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

Re: Timestamps

[Jude DaShiell]

Not to mention the documentation.


On Tue, 30 Nov 2021, David Masterson wrote:

> Jude DaShiell  writes:
>
> > I think the new standard is better since it allows for work or an agenda
> > item to cross one or more Midnights.
>
> If so, then the Org commands should be updated to follow the standard.
>
>

Re: Timestamps

[Jude DaShiell]

I think the new standard is better since it allows for work or an agenda
item to cross one or more Midnights.


On Sat, 27 Nov 2021, David Masterson wrote:

> Has the format for timestamps covering (say) a few hours changed?  The
> following is still possible with "C-c .", but (I think) it is not
> documented in the Org-Mode manual:
>
>   <2021-11-27 Sat 10:30-12:30>
>
> This seems to be the new standard:
>   <2021-11-27 Sat 10:30>--<2021-11-27 Sat 12:30>
>
>

Re: [PATCH] Bug: Unintended column added to table [9.4.6 (9.4.6-gab9f2a @ /home/user/.emacs.d/elpa/org-9.4.6/)]

[Jude DaShiell]

I've had this happen in an earlier version of org and found if I get on
the last record in a table at the beginning of the line and tab the number
of columns in the table plus 1 I get a blank new record added to the table
and the extra unintended column does not appear.  In the earlier version
of orgmode I use if I go down to the last record then tab once to get into
the first column of the table and then start entering data and finish the
data entry in that record or add more records, then the extra unintended
column does appear.  I only mention this behavior as confirmation of this
behavior.


On Tue, 9 Nov 2021, Spectira Chiando wrote:

> Ihor,
>  
> Patch is working great, have been using it heavily for the past month. Thanks 
> very much!
>  
> Spectria
>  
>     Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2021 at 1:54 AM
> From: "Ihor Radchenko" 
> To: spect...@mail.com
> Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
> Subject: [PATCH] Bug: Unintended column added to table [9.4.6 (9.4.6-gab9f2a 
> @ /home/user/.emacs.d/elpa/org-9.4.6/)]
> Ihor Radchenko  writes:
>
> > spect...@mail.com writes:
> >
> >> In a preexisting org table, hitting  can add a new, unintended column
> >>
> >> Bug: After the 2nd iteration, org adds a unintended new column. Further 
> >> iteration adds more columns.
> >
> > Confirmed
> >
> > The problem appears somewhere inside org-table-justify-field-maybe
>
> And here is the fix.
>
> I am not familiar with org-table codebase, so feedback would be
> appreciated.
>
> Best,
> Ihor
>  
>
>

Re: forms and org-mode

[Jude DaShiell]

Interesting, thanks for your response.  I keep tables in their own files,
one table per file to minimize complexity.


On Sat, 21 Aug 2021, Tim Cross wrote:

>
> OK, but I'm still a little unclear exactly what you are asking about.
>
> If it is just a general question about whether Emacs Forms could be used
> for data input into an org table, the basic answer is yes, I think so.
>
> If your asking if anyone has done this - not that I'm aware of.
>
> If your asking how hard it would be to do, well that depends.
>
> The biggest challenge I can see is that Emacs forms expects a data file
> which  just consists of one record per line where each record is
> separated by a specific character. That part is not too hard. However,
> where things might get tricky is if you want to keep the data in an org
> file with other org data.
>
> I imagine you could maintain a table in a data file fairly easily. You
> can use the org '|' as the field separators and you would likely need to
> write an input and output filter function to remove white space and add
> it back on writing. None of this would be too hard.
>
> However, if you wanted an emacs forms interface to one or more tables
> inside a normal org file, it might be more tricky. You would need a far
> more sophisticated input/output filters and possibly need to narrow the
> file or do something else to help the filter functions target the data.
>
> It has been many years since I used Emacs Forms. From memory, I gave up
> on them as the level of maintenance exceeded the usefulness. I guess it
> all really depends on how much data you need to edit and how predictable
> the target data files are.
>
> .
> Jude DaShiell  writes:
>
> > My reason for using forms to do data input into org tables is to minimize
> > errors in the data input to the org tables.
> >
> > On Sat, 21 Aug 2021, Tim Cross wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> So you are asking about using Emacs forms for data input into an org
> >> table?
> >>
> >> Just not clear on what exactly your asking about.
> >>
> >> Jude DaShiell  writes:
> >>
> >> > A table with a time stamp column, a text column for notes and an interval
> >> > column rounded to nearest hour.  Any statistics to be calculated on that
> >> > intervals column.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Sat, 21 Aug 2021, Ihor Radchenko wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Can you elaborate?
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
>

Re: forms and org-mode

[Jude DaShiell]

My reason for using forms to do data input into org tables is to minimize
errors in the data input to the org tables.

On Sat, 21 Aug 2021, Tim Cross wrote:

>
> So you are asking about using Emacs forms for data input into an org
> table?
>
> Just not clear on what exactly your asking about.
>
> Jude DaShiell  writes:
>
> > A table with a time stamp column, a text column for notes and an interval
> > column rounded to nearest hour.  Any statistics to be calculated on that
> > intervals column.
> >
> >
> > On Sat, 21 Aug 2021, Ihor Radchenko wrote:
> >
> >> Can you elaborate?
> >>
> >>
>
>
>

Re: forms and org-mode

[Jude DaShiell]

A table with a time stamp column, a text column for notes and an interval
column rounded to nearest hour.  Any statistics to be calculated on that
intervals column.


On Sat, 21 Aug 2021, Ihor Radchenko wrote:

> Can you elaborate?
>
>

forms and org-mode

[Jude DaShiell]

Would it even be useful to write a set of forms files and use those to
populate an org-mode table?

Re: a repeater doesn't increment

[Jude DaShiell]

I couldn't figure a way to make the field columns work for this many
different items.


On Tue, 27 Jul 2021, Nick Dokos wrote:

> Jude DaShiell  writes:
>
> > What I'm trying to do is more complex than that.
> > * Reorder pills
> > ** TODO order hctz, lisinipril, metformin, provacol, claritin, Co-q10,
> >Deadline: <8-2-2021 +4w>
> > ** TODO order Colase
> >Deadline: <10-13-2021 +14w>
> > ** TODO order Turmerick
> >Deadline: <8-30-2021 +8w>
> >
> > On Thu, 22 Jul 2021, Nick Dokos wrote:
> >
> >> Jude DaShiell  writes:
> >>
> >> > Does enough material exist on werg tutorials that document how to get a
> >> > repeater operational?  That or maybe I don't understand repeaters.  Had
> >> > the repeater I tried to use worked correctly it would have advanced the
> >> > original date by 4 weeks when that date got copied down to another cell.
> >> > I selected the whole line including both verticals and perhaps this works
> >> > when only a time stamp is copied.
> >> >
> >> >> I am likely doing this wrong but will describe what has been done.
> >> >> I put an agenda time stamp into a field in test.org and add +4w to the 
> >> >> end
> >> >> of the time stamp inside the >.
> >> >> I get on the left of the field column on the vertical character and type
> >> >> control-space to set mark.
> >> >> I move to the end of the field on the > sign and type space and another
> >> >> vertical to close the column entry for that field.
> >> >> Next I do control-c+x+v and am told strings are copied to the kill ring.
> >> >> Next I move down one line and type control-y to yank those strings out 
> >> >> of
> >> >> the kill buffer and paste them on that line.
> >> >> When this is done, I expected the time stamp to increment by 4 weeks.
> >> >> What happened was the same information got copied down and it didn't
> >> >> increment.
> >> >> What am I doing wrong?
> >> >>
>
> I still don't understand: in your most recent response (at the top of this 
> thread)
> you are talking about headlines with DEADLINE added (which seems the right 
> approach
> to me: is there a problem with it?) But in your original mail, as well as in 
> the followup, you are
> taling about "field columns" and "vertical characters" and "cop[ying] down to 
> another cell",
> which seems to imply that you have an Org mode table somewhere.
>
> Maybe you can elaborate a bit?
>

Re: a repeater doesn't increment

[Jude DaShiell]

What I'm trying to do is more complex than that.
* Reorder pills
** TODO order hctz, lisinipril, metformin, provacol, claritin, Co-q10,
   Deadline: <8-2-2021 +4w>
** TODO order Colase
   Deadline: <10-13-2021 +14w>
** TODO order Turmerick
   Deadline: <8-30-2021 +8w>

On Thu, 22 Jul 2021, Nick Dokos wrote:

> Jude DaShiell  writes:
>
> > Does enough material exist on werg tutorials that document how to get a
> > repeater operational?  That or maybe I don't understand repeaters.  Had
> > the repeater I tried to use worked correctly it would have advanced the
> > original date by 4 weeks when that date got copied down to another cell.
> > I selected the whole line including both verticals and perhaps this works
> > when only a time stamp is copied.
> >
>
> I may be misunderstanding, but are you trying to fill a column in a table
> with dates that are four weeks apart? If so, repeaters have nothing to do
> with it (AFAIK). You need `org-table-copy-increment' to be set to 28.
>
> --8<---cut here---start->8---
>
> | date | foo |
> |--+-|
> | <2021-07-22 Thu> | |
> | <2021-08-19 Thu> | |
> | <2021-09-16 Thu> | |
> | <2021-10-14 Thu> | |
> | <2021-11-11 Thu> | |
> | <2021-12-09 Thu> | |
>
>
> * Code
>
> #+begin_src elisp
> (setq-local org-table-copy-increment 28)
>
> #+end_src
>
> #+RESULTS:
> : 28
>
> --8<---cut here---end--->8---
>
> Then keep pressing `S-RET' to get the next date.
>
>
> >
> > On Tue, 20 Jul 2021, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> >
> >> I am likely doing this wrong but will describe what has been done.
> >> I put an agenda time stamp into a field in test.org and add +4w to the end
> >> of the time stamp inside the >.
> >> I get on the left of the field column on the vertical character and type
> >> control-space to set mark.
> >> I move to the end of the field on the > sign and type space and another
> >> vertical to close the column entry for that field.
> >> Next I do control-c+x+v and am told strings are copied to the kill ring.
> >> Next I move down one line and type control-y to yank those strings out of
> >> the kill buffer and paste them on that line.
> >> When this is done, I expected the time stamp to increment by 4 weeks.
> >> What happened was the same information got copied down and it didn't
> >> increment.
> >> What am I doing wrong?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

Re: a repeater doesn't increment

[Jude DaShiell]

Hi, thanks this approach should work fine!


On Thu, 22 Jul 2021, Henrik Frisk wrote:

> Hi!
>
> Den tors 22 juli 2021 03:49Jude DaShiell  skrev:
>
> > Does enough material exist on werg tutorials that document how to get a
> > repeater operational?  That or maybe I don't understand repeaters.  Had
> > the repeater I tried to use worked correctly it would have advanced the
> > original date by 4 weeks when that date got copied down to another cell.
> > I selected the whole line including both verticals and perhaps this works
> > when only a time stamp is copied.
> >
>
> Check out this explanation:
>
> https://karl-voit.at/2017/01/15/org-clone-subtree-with-time-shift/
>
> I find it helpful and most of the time i prefer to use the
> org-clone-subtree-with-time-shift function as it gives me more control. In
> general, the date notation (+1w) is intended for the agenda wiew.
>
> Hope it helps,
> /Henrik
>

Re: a repeater doesn't increment

[Jude DaShiell]

Does enough material exist on werg tutorials that document how to get a
repeater operational?  That or maybe I don't understand repeaters.  Had
the repeater I tried to use worked correctly it would have advanced the
original date by 4 weeks when that date got copied down to another cell.
I selected the whole line including both verticals and perhaps this works
when only a time stamp is copied.


On Tue, 20 Jul 2021, Jude DaShiell wrote:

> I am likely doing this wrong but will describe what has been done.
> I put an agenda time stamp into a field in test.org and add +4w to the end
> of the time stamp inside the >.
> I get on the left of the field column on the vertical character and type
> control-space to set mark.
> I move to the end of the field on the > sign and type space and another
> vertical to close the column entry for that field.
> Next I do control-c+x+v and am told strings are copied to the kill ring.
> Next I move down one line and type control-y to yank those strings out of
> the kill buffer and paste them on that line.
> When this is done, I expected the time stamp to increment by 4 weeks.
> What happened was the same information got copied down and it didn't
> increment.
> What am I doing wrong?
>
>
>

a repeater doesn't increment

[Jude DaShiell]

I am likely doing this wrong but will describe what has been done.
I put an agenda time stamp into a field in test.org and add +4w to the end
of the time stamp inside the >.
I get on the left of the field column on the vertical character and type
control-space to set mark.
I move to the end of the field on the > sign and type space and another
vertical to close the column entry for that field.
Next I do control-c+x+v and am told strings are copied to the kill ring.
Next I move down one line and type control-y to yank those strings out of
the kill buffer and paste them on that line.
When this is done, I expected the time stamp to increment by 4 weeks.
What happened was the same information got copied down and it didn't
increment.
What am I doing wrong?

likely re-order date problem solution

[Jude DaShiell]

I think I figured out how to make re-order dates work in orgmode.
The start date is the date when items start getting used.  So subtract the
number of weeks before the next order is needed from the start date and
write that time stamp in with a + repeater value to cover the days until
the next order.  You get back your start date with a repeater.  So copy
that time stamp down and so long as the repeater continues to work you
should get a series of dates matching your re-order date requirements.
There may be an easier way to do this in orgmode but I haven't run across
that one yet.

4 otc meds

[Jude DaShiell]

I am planning a table to show re-order dates for 4 otc meds I take.  They
haven't got the same pill counts and another constraint will be not to
order on weekends.  Since this is intended to show repeating re-order
dates I figure to use formulas with pill counts in particular cells as
repeater items for the dates and have the dates show up vertically down
each four columns.  It will be interesting to see if this works and if it
does, I'll share it with the list since maybe others would be able to use
something like this in future.

Re: how to document/comment a complex org table formula

[Jude DaShiell]

So long as each piece of documentation has a continuation pointer to the
next piece of documentation in the chain I think that would work.


On Mon, 5 Jul 2021, Uwe Brauer wrote:

> >>> "JD" == Jude DaShiell  writes:
>
> > Why not use functional narrative form to document complex formulas?
> > formula name:
> > formula function:
> > formula uses:
> > formula returns:
>
>
> That would be also nice, however the problem I am facing to have a long
> and complicated expression with a lot of ifs, maybe best practise would
> be to split it and distribute it over various column and add comments as
> in
>
> #+begin_src elisp
> |+++---+---+|
> |  1 |  4 |  5 | 3 | 3 |  6 |
> |  3 | 12 | 15 | 9 | 2 | 11 |
> | 12 |  2 | 14 | 7 | 3 | 10 |
> #+TBLFM: $3=vsum($1..$2);f1:: #one comment
> #+TBLFM: $6=vsum($4..$5);f1:: #second comment
> #+end_src
>

Re: how to document/comment a complex org table formula

[Jude DaShiell]

Why not use functional narrative form to document complex formulas?
formula name:
formula function:
formula uses:
formula returns:
usually one line of text for each of those.  I know, this comes from
structured programming where no block of actual code is supposed to go
above 50 lines and that for many people cramps their styles.  It makes
maintenance a little easier though.


On Mon, 5 Jul 2021, Tim Visher wrote:

> On Mon, Jul 5, 2021 at 10:14 AM Eric S Fraga  wrote:
>
> > Sorry; I cannot help you directly.
> >
> > My rule of thumb is that if formulas are getting too complex to
> > understand/recall clearly, it's time to use a proper programming
> > language instead.  The nice thing about org is you can have tables as
> > inputs to and outputs of src blocks...
> >
> > My papers often have awk source blocks that process tables to generate
> > statistics for some (numerical) experiments.
> >
> > Spreadsheets, org tables being an example of such, are brilliant tools
> > for simple calculations but are pretty much "write only programming
> > languages".
> >
>
> I had never heard of using an org table as input into a source block.
> That's really interesting.
>
> The OP also poses an interesting idea that I have occasionally wanted. I
> have generally accomplished this by simply including the documentation
> above or below the table. In other words just having human text around it
> that says 'This =formula= bit is because of X'.
>
> But the idea of a multiline TBLFM syntax seems to be already be almost
> supported. I was mildly shocked to find that this mostly works
>
> ```
> |---+---|
> | a | 1 |
> | b | 3 |
> |---+---|
> |   | 4 |
> #+TBLFM: @2$2=@-1*3
> #+TBLFM: @3$2=vsum(@I..II)
> ```
>
> Note that I don't need the usual `::` separation between formulas. Where it
> breaks down is that I can't seem to reevaluate the whole table's formula by
> whacking `C-u C-c C-c` anymore and, obviously, there's no syntax for adding
> comments. Also I doubt that I'd be able to use any of org's keys for
> editing formulas. I wonder how hard it would be to extend org's
> understanding of the TBLFM to allow for this kind of syntax.
>
> Once you had it then adding a comment character to it should be very simple.
>
> --
>
> In Christ,
>
> Timmy V.
>
> https://blog.twonegatives.com
> http://five.sentenc.es
>

Re: How to compute timespan in Agenda view?

[Jude DaShiell]

That would be useful even in tables.  If memory serves there's a duration
function but it's limited to time spans within 24 hours.


On Tue, 29 Jun 2021, Rodrigo Morales wrote:

>
> Let's say I move my cursor in the agenda view. Is there any built-in
> function for getting the timespan between the current date and the date
> at point?
>
> If there is no built-in function for accomplishing this. Could you point
> to some functions or variables that might help me to craft my own
> function?
>
>

Re: spreadsheet, calc descriptive statistics, the mode??

[Jude DaShiell]

Many years ago I found it curious mean and median were available but mode 
hadn't been done.



On Mon, 29 Mar 2021, Uwe Brauer wrote:


Hi

As far as I can see
#+begin_src

|   | Marks |   |
|---+---+---|
|   | 1 |   |
|   | 1 |   |
|   | 4 |   |
|   | 5 |   |
|   | 6 |   |
|---+---+---|
| 4 |   3.4 | vmod([1, 1, 4, 5, 6]) |
,#+TBLFM: 
@7$1=vmedian(@I$2..@II$2)::@7$2=vmean(@I$2..@II$2)::@7$3=vmod(@I$2..@II$2)
#+end_src


The mode as in explained for example in
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mode_(statistics)

Is not included in calc. Am I correct. I tried to search in the info but
cannot find anything

Regards

Uwe Brauer

unexpected timestamp conversion

[Jude DaShiell]

Is it possible to have emacs-orgmode replace an iso-8601 date and time
with only a correctly formatted timestamp?
Script started on 2020-11-22 15:07:15-05:00 [TERM="linux" TTY="/dev/tty1" 
COLUMNS="200" LINES="56"]
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-UUU:F1  *scratch*  All L1 (Lisp Interaction ElDoc) 

test.org has auto save data; consider M-x recover-this-file
test.org has auto save data; consider M-x recover-this-fileFile Edit Options 
Buffers Tools Lisp-Interaction Help






















































-UUU:F1  *scratch*  All L1 (Lisp Interaction ElDoc) 

test.org has auto save data; consider M-x recover-this-fileFile Edit Options 
Buffers Tools Org Tbl Text Help






















































-UUU:F1  test.org   All L1 (Org Fill) 
--
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1 |--|3 |  |32020/ 1 1 / 2 2 T 1 4 : 2 5 3 | date |2 
|--|1
4 |  |42020/11/22T14:25C-c- !Options Buffers Tools Scroll Goto 
Holidays Diary Sun/Moon Help-UUU:**--F1  test.org   All L4 (Org Fill) 
--
5  October 2020November 2020December 2020
4  Su Mo Tu We Th Fr Sa Su Mo Tu We Th Fr Sa Su Mo Tu We Th Fr Sa
3   1  2  3  1  2  3  4  5  6  71  2  3  4  5
2   4  5  6  7  8  9 10  8  9 10 11 12 13 14  6  7  8  9 10 11 12
1  11 12 13 14 15 16 17 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 13 14 15 16 17 18 19
6  18 19 20 21 22 23 24 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 20 21 22 23 24 25 26
1  25 26 27 28 29 30 31 29 3027 28 29 30 31
   < Calendar ? info / o other / . today Sun, Nov 22, 2020  >



Date+time [2020-11-22]:   => [2020-11-22 Sun]Edit Options Buffers Tools Minibuf 
Help   22


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-UUU:**--F1  test.org   All L4 (Org Fill) 
--
jude[~]$ exitg file /home/jude/test.org...Wrote /home/jude/test.org--C-x- C-c
exit

Script done on 2020-11-22 15:09:14-05:00 [COMMAND_EXIT_CODE="0"]

-- 

United States has 633 Billionaires with only 10 doing any annual
significant giving.

Re: New website - back to the old unicorn!

[Jude DaShiell]

Unicorn is an old name for the modern day rhinoceros if what I read is
correct.

On Mon, 26 Oct 2020, Nick Dokos wrote:

> Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2020 11:02:04
> From: Nick Dokos 
> To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
> Subject: Re: New website - back to the old unicorn!
>
> Sounds good to me.
>
> And thanks for all the work to update the site!
>

-- 
United States has 633 Billionaires with only 10 doing any annual
significant giving.

Re: New website - back to the old unicorn!

[Jude DaShiell]

Can orgmode when doing an html export that has images without alt= tags
filled in give an exporter an option to supply descriptions for those
images if not done earlier in the html creation process?  How would
someone earlier in the html creation process before export stage
correctly associate an alt= tag with description with an image?  I'm
asking these questions for #a11y purposes.  Unless subsequent
development changed, orgmode cannot make accessible pdf files.  So if
this question remains relevant inside of a pdf file created by orgmode
does some indicator exist stating this pdf file was created by orgmode?
If you know that and you need something accessible you can contact the
originator of the file and ask them to use adobe and make the pdf file
accessible once you find the orgmode indicator in the file.

On Mon, 26 Oct 2020, Carsten Dominik wrote:

> Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2020 06:19:49
> From: Carsten Dominik 
> To: Bastien 
> Cc: org-mode list , TEC 
> Subject: Re: New website - back to the old unicorn!
>
> On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 11:11 AM Carsten Dominik  wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I like it!
> >
> > :)
> >
> > Carsten
> >
> > P.S.  One of the pages advertises that this
> >
> >[[
> > https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5d/Konigsberg_bridges.png
> > ]]
> >
> > should inline an image.  Does not do it yet for me.  What am I missing?
> >
>
> Never mind, it works in export, not tin the buffer.  Still, the text on the
> webpage is a bit confusing.
>
> Carsten
>
>
> >
> > Carsten
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 10:42 AM Bastien  wrote:
> >
> >> Dear all,
> >>
> >> thanks to the initiative and the patient efforts of Timothy, our
> >> website has been revamped: new contents, new look and... the old
> >> unicorn!
> >>
> >> Thanks very much to Timothy and to everyone who contributed with
> >> feedback and ideas.
> >>
> >> This is a new basis that we will continue to polish and enhance.
> >>
> >> Enjoy :)
> >>
> >> https://orgmode.org
> >>
> >> --
> >>  Bastien
> >>
> >>
>

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Re: [join rows]

[Jude DaShiell]

paste is a unix command outside of emacs used to concatenate files
horizontally as opposed to vertically as cat does.

On Mon, 8 Jun 2020, Uwe Brauer wrote:

> Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2020 07:09:21
> From: Uwe Brauer 
> To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
> Subject: Re: [join rows]
>
> >>> "JD" == Jude DaShiell  writes:
>
>> If what's wanted here is a horizontal join of tables paste(1) might be
>
> I am not sure what paste(1) means here. Could you please explain?
>
>> used to start the process however the #TBLFMT: line for the new table
>> would need new formulas and column headers may need adjusting.
>> Something like this was possible in dBase III+ using modify structure if
>> memory serves.
>

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Re: [join rows] (was: join tables from different files)

[Jude DaShiell]

If what's wanted here is a horizontal join of tables paste(1) might be
used to start the process however the #TBLFMT: line for the new table
would need new formulas and column headers may need adjusting.
Something like this was possible in dBase III+ using modify structure if
memory serves.

On Mon, 8 Jun 2020, tbanelwebmin wrote:

> Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2020 02:18:45
> From: tbanelwebmin 
> To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
> Subject: Re: [join rows] (was: join tables from different files)
>
> Le 07/06/2020 ? 17:09, Uwe Brauer a ?crit?:
>
> > "t" == tbanelwebmin   writes:
> >
> > Yes you can.
> > Use an org-id
> >
> > Thanks! Nice!
> >
> >
> > I have a another question in this context:
> > can I join, say 4 tables, but row wise?
> > Say I have
> >
> > #+TBLNAME: RK
> > #+ATTR_HTML: :border 2 :rules all :frame border
> > | met | Q1 | Q2 |  Q3 | total |
> > |-+++-+---|
> > | RK  |  1 |  1 | 0.5 |   2.5 |
> > #+TBLFM: $5=$2+$3+$4
> >
> > #+TBLNAME: SVD
> > #+ATTR_HTML: :border 2 :rules all :frame border
> >  | met | Q1: | Q2 | Q3 | total |
> >  |-+-+++---|
> >  | SVD | 0.5 |  1 |  1 |   2.5 |
> > #+TBLFM: $5=$2+$3+$4;f1
> >
> > #+TBLNAME: MIN
> > #+ATTR_HTML: :border 2 :rules all :frame border
> > | met | Q1 |  Q2 | total |
> > |-++-+---|
> > | MIN |  2 | 0.5 |   2.5 |
> > #+TBLFM: $4=$2+$3
> >
> > #+TBLNAME: BDF
> > #+ATTR_HTML: :border 2 :rules all :frame border
> > | met |   Q1 |   Q2 | total |
> > |-+--+--+---|
> > | MIN | 0.75 | 1.75 |   2.5 |
> > #+TBLFM: $4=$2+$3
> >
> > Since they don't have the same amount of columns, I'd like to join the 4 
> > tables like this
> > #+TBLNAME: Total1
> > #+ATTR_HTML: :border 2 :rules all :frame border
> > | met |  Q1 | Q2 |  Q3 | total |
> > |-+-++-+---|
> > | RK  |   1 |  1 | 0.5 |   2.5 |
> > |-+-++-+---|
> > | SVD | 0.5 |  1 |   1 |   2.5 |
> > #+TBLFM: $5=$2+$3+$4;f1
> >
> > #+TBLNAME: Total2
> > #+ATTR_HTML: :border 2 :rules all :frame border
> > | met |   Q1 |   Q2 | total |
> > |-+--+--+---|
> > | MIN |2 |  0.5 |   2.5 |
> > |-+--+--+---|
> > | MIN | 0.75 | 1.75 |   2.5 |
> > #+TBLFM: $4=$2+$3
> >
> > Is this possible?
> >
> > regards
> > Uwe Brauer
>
> I'm not aware of anything specific for this purpose. A starting point could 
> be the `append' lisp function:
>
> #+begin_src elisp :var table1=RK :var table2=SVD :colnames t
> (append table1 table2)
> #+end_src
>
> #+RESULTS:
> | met | Q1: | Q2 |  Q3 | total |
> |-+-++-+---|
> | RK  |   1 |  1 | 0.5 |   2.5 |
> | SVD | 0.5 |  1 |   1 |   2.5 |
>
>
>
>

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Re: org-mode setting the browser with options

[Jude DaShiell]

Two different scripts one yproxy and the other nproxy.
Put the necessary running code in each.

On Wed, 29 Apr 2020, Neil Cherry wrote:

> Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 13:36:50
> From: Neil Cherry 
> To: Org Mode 
> Subject: org-mode setting the browser with options
>
> I need to use 2 different Windows browser (proxy and no-proxy is the reason).
>
> What I want to do is that if it's example.com use firefox (no options). If 
> it's
> example.org use chrome --no-proxy-server. I'm not exacly sure how to approach 
> this.
>
> Thanks
>
>

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org table integrity

[Jude DaShiell]

Does a way exist in orgmode to fix a column so that it only stores time
stamps?  A table I'm using has two columns that could this kind of error
protection and two that should contain text.



--

re: a wide column problem

[Jude DaShiell]

I think the best that's now possible with orgmode is something like the
following.  I'll just need to be careful entering text into the work
column since the users of this table haven't even got emacs on their
computers let alone orgmode.

#+STARTUP align
| arrived| staff   | work   
   | left   |
|+-+---+|
|| | <40>   
   ||
| [2020-01-28 Tue 09:08] | Daedon and Doug | watch Doug laundry dishes  
   | [2020-01-28 Tue 13:08] |
|| | trash removal containers recovery  
   ||
| [2020-01-29 Wed 20:30] | umuaru  | brought food   
   | [2020-01-29 Wed 20:45] |
| [2020-01-30 Thu 13:00] | alex| fixed drains brought lunch and 
black bags | [2020-01-30 Thu 14:00] |
|| | put light cover on over stove  
   ||
|| |
   ||

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re: wide column problem

[Jude DaShiell]

The table should have a 40 character line wrap limit in the work column
and would look like this:
| arrived| staff   | work   
 | left   |
|+-+-+|
| [2020-01-28 Tue 09:08] | Daedon and Doug | watch Doug laundry dishes  
 | [2020-01-28 Tue 13:08] |
|| | trash removal containers recovery  
 ||
| [2020-01-29 Wed 20:30] | umuaru  | brought food   
 | [2020-01-29 Wed 20:45] |
| [2020-01-30 Thu 13:00] | alex| fixed drains brought lunch and 
black bags  | [2020-01-30 Thu 14:00] |
|| | put light cover on over stove  
 ||
|| |
 ||

I had to use ex to insert lines with field delimiters in the table then
cut and paste text to have gone in the second line of the first and third
records.

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Re: a wide column problem

[Jude DaShiell]

I only wrote text in a column and haven't tried anything for that column
yet.  I searched through info org and came close to stuff that looked
like it might work but only came close according to the documentation.
I've never done anything like this with org-mode before so figured it
might be a good idea to ask here first.

On Sat, 1 Feb 2020, Bastien wrote:

> Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2020 03:55:38
> From: Bastien 
> To: Jude DaShiell 
> Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
> Subject: Re: a wide column problem
>
> Hi Jude,
>
> Jude DaShiell  writes:
>
> > For a table with a wide column can org-mode use a width on the column as
> > well as word wrap?
>
> What did you try?  Can you show how it should look like?
>
>

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a wide column problem

[Jude DaShiell]

For a table with a wide column can org-mode use a width on the column as
well as word wrap?
The work column is too wide in stafflog.org:

| arrived| staff   | work   
 | left   |
|+-+-+|
| [2020-01-28 09:08] | Daedon and Doug | watch Doug laundry dishes trash 
removal containers recovery | [2020-01-28 13:08] |
| [2020-01-29 20:30] | umuaru  | brought food   
 | [2020-01-29 20:45] |
| [2020-01-30 13:00] | alex| fixed drains brought lunch and black 
bags and put light cover on over stove | [2020-01-30 14:00] |
|| |
 ||

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Re: Bug? Multi day event with times

[Jude DaShiell]

On Sun, 26 Jan 2020, Detlef Steuer wrote:

> Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2020 12:49:55
> From: Detlef Steuer 
> To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
> Cc: Bastien 
> Subject: Re: Bug? Multi day event with times
>
> Am Sun, 26 Jan 2020 18:14:25 +0100
> schrieb Bastien :
>
> > Hi Detlef,
> >
> > Detlef Steuer  writes:
> >
> > > Stumbled upon this:
> > >
> > > ( emacs 26.3, org-contrib-plus 20191118, linux)
> > >
> > > In my orgfile I have:
> > > ** some travel
> > ><2020-01-30 Do 10:00>-<2020-02-01 Sa 16:00>
> > >
> > > In the agenda that is shown as:
> > > Donnerstag 30 January 2020
> > >   unsorted:   10:00-11:00 (1/3):  some travel
> > > Freitag31 January 2020
> > >   unsorted:   (2/3):  some travel
> > > Samstag 1 February 2020
> > >   unsorted:   16:00-17:00 (3/3):  some travel
> >
> > I'm not sure what's not working as expected here.
> >
> > Can you restate it again?
>
> Hi Bastien,
>
> the travel has a *time range*, but both times are used as *time stamps*
> with default length 1h, only the date part is used as a range.
>
> In the original case I tried to put the leaving times of my booked
> railway connections into the range hoping to see:
>
> Donnerstag 30 January 2020
>   unsorted:   10:00 (1/3):  some travel
> Freitag31 January 2020
>   unsorted:   (2/3):  some travel
> Samstag 1 February 2020
>   unsorted:   16:00 (3/3):  some travel
>
> I understand, why is shown what is shown.
> But maybe there is room for improvement.
>
> May be:
> Donnerstag 30 January 2020
>   unsorted:   10:00-23:59 (1/3):  some travel
> Freitag31 January 2020
>   unsorted:   (2/3):  some travel
> Samstag 1 February 2020
>   unsorted:   00:00-16:00 (3/3):  some travel
>
> Or
> Donnerstag 30 January 2020
>   unsorted:   10:00- (1/3):  some travel
> Freitag31 January 2020
>   unsorted:   (2/3):  some travel
> Samstag 1 February 2020
>   unsorted:   -16:00 (3/3):  some travel
>
> Is there a way to achieve one of the above?
>
> Thanks
> Detlef
>
There's a duration command in orgmode, but it handles at most 24 hours or
less.  If that duration could cross midnight, I think you could use that
and solve this problem.

> > >
> > Thanks,
> >
>
>
>

-- 

Re: mobile org

[Jude DaShiell]

On Mon, 18 Nov 2019, Richard Lawrence wrote:

> Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 16:08:52
> From: Richard Lawrence 
> To: Jude DaShiell , emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
> Subject: Re: mobile org
>
> Jude DaShiell  writes:
>
> > Will mobile org work in Android PI?  If not, any good alternatives beyond
> > orgsly available?  I don't like to have to use dropbox and would like to
> > plug a usb cord into my computer and synchtronize my orgmode files that
> > way if possible.
>
> I saw this recently, and haven't seen it mentioned on the list:
>
> https://organice.200ok.ch/
>
> Here's an intro video: https://invidio.us/watch?v=aQKc0hcFXCk
>
> It's a browser-based interface rather than an app, so it should work
> just about anywhere. It doesn't solve the syncing problem itself;
> instead it allows you to sign in with Dropbox, Google Drive, or WebDAV.
> Still not great if you're trying to avoid the proprietary services and
> sync with a cable, but it looks like an interesting alternative to
> Orgzly.
>
I got orgsly and dropbox working on my phone.  I tried rclone dbxcli and
dropbox-cli and couldn't get any of them to link dropbox up to my
computer.  Probably packages need updates.

>

--

android phone computer and orgmode

[Jude DaShiell]

Since I use a command line on the computer I got orgsly and dropbox
working on the phone.
If I can get rclone working on the computer with dropbox I'll have
synchronizing capability.
Other applications on archlinux and slint either don't work or aren't
accessible for screen reader users like me.

More later when I figure it out.


--

Re: mobile org

[Jude DaShiell]

Thanks, I'll check that out.

On Sun, 17 Nov 2019, Alex Roper wrote:

> Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2019 21:14:34
> From: Alex Roper 
> To: Jude DaShiell , emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
> Subject: Re: mobile org
>
> I meant the standard one in termux, so this probably won't work for you
> then.
>
> One other thought, if your only concern with orgzly is Dropbox, you
> might consider an open source alternative such as Syncthing. I used to
> use that on my computers and phone to sync my org before moving to
> termux. By default it does use some sort of cloud locator service for
> NAT hole punching etc, but I believe you can turn that off.
>
> In general, though I do wish there were more options in this space.
>
> Alex
>
> On 11/17/19 6:03 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> > I can't do that unless termux emacs is a different application from
> > termux since I'm using talkback on android and termux and talkback work
> > strangely together.
> >
> > On Sun, 17 Nov 2019, Alex Roper wrote:
> >
> >> Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2019 19:13:48
> >> From: Alex Roper 
> >> To: Jude DaShiell , emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
> >> Subject: Re: mobile org
> >>
> >> I use termux + emacs personally, and then sync with git from the command
> >> line. It's obviously not especially phone-optimized UX, typing on a
> >> command line...but depending on your needs and alternatives it may be
> >> acceptable.
> >>
> >> Alex
> >>
> >> On 11/17/19 4:01 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> >>> Will mobile org work in Android PI?  If not, any good alternatives beyond
> >>> orgsly available?  I don't like to have to use dropbox and would like to
> >>> plug a usb cord into my computer and synchtronize my orgmode files that
> >>> way if possible.  Last time mobile org got updated was 2013 according to
> >>> google play store unless later updates happened by git or github.  Mobile
> >>> org donate also had a 2013 last update in the google play store too and I
> >>> wouldn't have minded paying for that if it would work with Android Pi and
> >>> would also work with android Q.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
>
>

-- 

Re: mobile org

[Jude DaShiell]

I can't do that unless termux emacs is a different application from
termux since I'm using talkback on android and termux and talkback work
strangely together.

On Sun, 17 Nov 2019, Alex Roper wrote:

> Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2019 19:13:48
> From: Alex Roper 
> To: Jude DaShiell , emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
> Subject: Re: mobile org
>
> I use termux + emacs personally, and then sync with git from the command
> line. It's obviously not especially phone-optimized UX, typing on a
> command line...but depending on your needs and alternatives it may be
> acceptable.
>
> Alex
>
> On 11/17/19 4:01 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> > Will mobile org work in Android PI?  If not, any good alternatives beyond
> > orgsly available?  I don't like to have to use dropbox and would like to
> > plug a usb cord into my computer and synchtronize my orgmode files that
> > way if possible.  Last time mobile org got updated was 2013 according to
> > google play store unless later updates happened by git or github.  Mobile
> > org donate also had a 2013 last update in the google play store too and I
> > wouldn't have minded paying for that if it would work with Android Pi and
> > would also work with android Q.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> >
>
>

-- 

mobile org

[Jude DaShiell]

Will mobile org work in Android PI?  If not, any good alternatives beyond
orgsly available?  I don't like to have to use dropbox and would like to
plug a usb cord into my computer and synchtronize my orgmode files that
way if possible.  Last time mobile org got updated was 2013 according to
google play store unless later updates happened by git or github.  Mobile
org donate also had a 2013 last update in the google play store too and I
wouldn't have minded paying for that if it would work with Android Pi and
would also work with android Q.



--

Re: [O] minimal testing setup for pdf export?

[Jude DaShiell]

Okay, orgmode pdf files will be inaccessible for the foreseeable future.
 Has anyone had any luck extracting text however mangled from one of
these with pdftotext or similar tools?  If that's not possible that will
be another good thing to know.

On Sat, 31 Aug 2019, Tim Cross wrote:

> Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2019 19:31:32
> From: Tim Cross 
> To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
> Cc: Nick Dokos 
> Subject: Re: [O] minimal testing setup for pdf export?
>
>
> I think the main thing which needs to be in the PDF is structure
> 'tagging'. Unfortunately, making truly accessible PDFs is the one area
> I've found where the 'TeX suite is weak. I was tracking some discussions
> about this on  the various TeX and Latex lists and it seems that to add
> the necessary information needed to create accessible PDFs requires a
> major redesign of TeX internals.
>
> It has been a while since I looked at this, but I do believe there are
> some add-on latex packages which can help a bit, but creating PDFs which
> meet minimal accessibility requirement tests is currently not possible.
>
> IIRC the speech-disabling feature is not part of the PDF spec. This is
> somethinhg added by Adobe (along with other DRM support). This is no
> 'switch' so to speak in plain PDF documents as the PDF spec predates
> considerations like TTS or even accessibility.
>
>
> Jude DaShiell  writes:
>
> > most of the books sold on google play books are speech-disabled by
> > publishers.  The adobe accessibility site has speech-enabled
> > accessibility examples.  I think it's a matter of a single control that
> > is either enabled or disabled.  Oh, the IRS has speech-enabled pdf tax
> > forms anyone can download.  I nearly forgot about that one.  The 1099R
> > form is a short one so it ought to be pretty quick to find the setting
> > in one of those forms.
> >
> > On Fri, 30 Aug 2019, Nick Dokos wrote:
> >
> >> Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2019 16:07:49
> >> From: Nick Dokos 
> >> To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
> >> Subject: Re: [O] minimal testing setup for pdf export?
> >>
> >> Jude DaShiell  writes:
> >>
> >> > It would be helpful if when pdf get exported from orgmode they have
> >> > speech enabled by default.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Not sure that org mode can do anything about, since it's LaTeX that 
> >> produces
> >> the PDF. That said, I'm not sure what needs to be done: what's the 
> >> difference
> >> between a speech-enabled PDF and a non-speech-enabled one?
> >>
> >>
>
>
>

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Re: [O] minimal testing setup for pdf export?

[Jude DaShiell]

most of the books sold on google play books are speech-disabled by
publishers.  The adobe accessibility site has speech-enabled
accessibility examples.  I think it's a matter of a single control that
is either enabled or disabled.  Oh, the IRS has speech-enabled pdf tax
forms anyone can download.  I nearly forgot about that one.  The 1099R
form is a short one so it ought to be pretty quick to find the setting
in one of those forms.

On Fri, 30 Aug 2019, Nick Dokos wrote:

> Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2019 16:07:49
> From: Nick Dokos 
> To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
> Subject: Re: [O] minimal testing setup for pdf export?
>
> Jude DaShiell  writes:
>
> > It would be helpful if when pdf get exported from orgmode they have
> > speech enabled by default.
> >
>
> Not sure that org mode can do anything about, since it's LaTeX that produces
> the PDF. That said, I'm not sure what needs to be done: what's the difference
> between a speech-enabled PDF and a non-speech-enabled one?
>
>

-- 

Re: [O] minimal testing setup for pdf export?

[Jude DaShiell]

It would be helpful if when pdf get exported from orgmode they have
speech enabled by default.

On Fri, 30 Aug 2019, John Hendy wrote:

> Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2019 10:45:08
> From: John Hendy 
> To: Matt Price 
> Cc: org-mode-email 
> Subject: Re: [O] minimal testing setup for pdf export?
>
> Whew, the world is whole again! No worries, and I've been in the exact
> same situation more than I'd like. We joke at work that if you want to
> fix a problem, just ask someone to come watch it happen and it will
> magically go away :)
>
> Glad you're on your way!
> John
>
> On Fri, Aug 30, 2019 at 9:27 AM Matt Price  wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 11:27 AM John Hendy  wrote:
> >>
> >> On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 6:34 PM Matt Price  wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 1:33 PM John Kitchin  
> >> > wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> that does suggest that pdflatex is getting called somewhere else.
> >> >>
> >> >> Maybe you can edebug the export function and check the value of 
> >> >> default-directory to see where it is getting called.
> >> >>
> >> >> You could also try this
> >> >>
> >> >> #+BEGIN_SRC emacs-lisp
> >> >> (defun my-build (quoted-tex-file)
> >> >>   (message "Building %s. Called from %s" quoted-tex-file 
> >> >> default-directory))
> >> >>
> >> >> (setq org-latex-pdf-process 'my-build)
> >> >> #+END_SRC
> >> >>
> >> >> It won't build the pdf, but it will tell you in the messages where it 
> >> >> was called from. It might help figure out what is happening.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > huh.  that was kinda cool... but the value of default-directory seems to 
> >> > be correct.  However, this helped a bit:
> >> >
> >> > #+BEGIN_SRC emacs-lisp
> >> > (shell-command-to-string "echo $PWD")
> >> >
> >> > #+END_SRC
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > #+RESULTS:
> >> > : /home/matt/src/org-mode
> >> >
> >> > Not sure what's going on here, but this value is the same in a regular 
> >> > emacs and  "emacs -Q".  is this normal?
> >> >
> >>
> >> Did this get solved? It kind of bothers me to think it hasn't. I also
> >> think this is a case where erring on the side of overwhelming details
> >> would help a lot. Could you start from the beginning with the exact
> >> process using emacs -Q, post the full output of *Messages* and *Org
> >> PDF LaTeX Output*? Like in the above, you post the output of $PWD, but
> >> not what the *Messages* buffer contained from John's code. Maybe they
> >> are the same, maybe they are different, but we can't tell.
> >>
> >> Example:
> >> $ cd ~/
> >> $ emacs -Q
> >>
> >> M-x org-version
> >> Org mode version 9.1.9 (release_9.1.9-65-g5e4542 @
> >> /usr/share/emacs/26.2/lisp/org/)
> >>
> >> C-x C-f pdf-test.org
> >>
> >> File contents:
> >> * foo
> >> 
> >>
> >> C-x C-s
> >> C-c C-e l p
> >>
> >> $ ls ~/
> >> pdf-test.org
> >> pdf-test.pdf
> >> pdf-test.tex
> >>
> >> Alternatively, insert the code from John Kitchin:
> >>
> >> Wrote /home/jwhendy/pdf-text.org
> >> org-babel-exp process emacs-lisp at position 8...
> >> Saving file /home/jwhendy/pdf-text.tex...
> >> Wrote /home/jwhendy/pdf-text.tex
> >> Processing LaTeX file pdf-text.tex...
> >> Building pdf-text.tex. Called from /home/jwhendy/
> >> org-compile-file: File "/home/jwhendy/pdf-text.pdf" wasn?t produced.
> >> See "*Org PDF LaTeX Output*" for details
> >>
> >> I still don't feel I understand the full nature of your working
> >> directory, what does and doesn't get saved in that directory, etc. I'd
> >> love to help, but am not able to replicate for you!
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> John
> >>
> > John H,
> > Thank you so much for the detailed instructions. I had a moment this 
> > morning so I updated Emacs, rebooted my laptop, and started to follow your 
> > instructions as closely as possible... and I can no longer reproduce my 
> > problem. I feel like I should be happier than I am! I wonder if perhaps 
> > there was some kind of strange path problem caused by a software update 
> > that I didn't pay attention to.
> >
> > In any case, I am as always grateful for the efforts of people on this list 
> > -- I learned at least a little bit about latex export and feel that I might 
> > finally be getting a little closer to where I need to be.
> >
> > Meanwhile, if the issue shows up again I'll be sure to check back in.
> >
> > Thanks!
> > Matt
> >
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> >> John
> >> >>
> >> >> ---
> >> >> Professor John Kitchin
> >> >> Doherty Hall A207F
> >> >> Department of Chemical Engineering
> >> >> Carnegie Mellon University
> >> >> Pittsburgh, PA 15213
> >> >> 412-268-7803
> >> >> @johnkitchin
> >> >> http://kitchingroup.cheme.cmu.edu
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 8:57 AM Matt Price  wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 8:27 AM John Kitchin  
> >> >>> wrote:
> >> 
> >>  Can you manually compile the empty.tex file from the command line? eg
> >> 
> >>  pdflatex empty
> >> 
> >> >>> (reposting to group)
> >> >>>
> >> >>> 

Re: [O] join two or more tables

[Jude DaShiell]

In that situation I made 3 files header; t1, and t2.  The header file
had the two lines at the top of both tables.  The t1 and t2 files had
only record lines in them without the footer.  Then cat header t1 t2
>newtable.  Once done open newtable and be sure it works in emacs and
append that footer line to it and perhaps put it into a #Begin-src
#End-src block.

On Sun, 18 Aug 2019, Uwe Brauer wrote:

> Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2019 04:31:04
> From: Uwe Brauer 
> To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
> Subject: Re: [O] join two or more tables
>
> >>> "UB" == Uwe Brauer  writes:
>
>> Hi
>
>> I was googling this a bit, I found more complicated scenarios, but not
>> how to join one or more tables.
>
>> For example
>
>> #+begin_src
>
>> #+tblname: nut
>> | type | Fiber | Sugar | Protein | Carb |
>> |--+---+---+-+--|
>> | eggplant |   2.5 |   3.2 | 0.8 |  8.6 |
>> | tomatoe  |   0.6 |   2.1 | 0.8 |  3.4 |
>> | onion|   1.3 |   4.4 | 1.3 |  9.0 |
>> | egg  | 0 |  18.3 |31.9 | 18.3 |
>
>
>> #+tblname: nut2
>> | type | Fiber | Sugar | Protein | Carb |
>> |--+---+---+-+--|
>> | rice |   0.2 | 0 | 1.5 | 16.0 |
>> | bread|   0.7 |   0.7 | 3.3 | 16.0 |
>> | orange   |   3.1 |  11.9 | 1.3 | 17.6 |
>> | banana   |   2.1 |   9.9 | 0.9 | 18.5 |
>> | tofu |   0.7 |   0.5 | 6.6 |  1.4 |
>> | nut  |   2.6 |   1.3 | 4.9 |  7.2 |
>> | corn |   4.7 |   1.8 | 2.8 | 21.3 |
>> #+end_src
>
>
>> I want to generate a new table total-nuts, which is just a combination
>> of the two tables, nuts and nuts2
>
>
>> Uwe Brauer
>
> I found a solution posted in
>
> https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-orgmode/2009-09/msg00919.html
>
> However
>
> ** Elisp
> #+tblname: tab1
>  | 1 | 2 | 3 |
>  | 7 | 8 | 9 |
>
> #+tblname: tab2
>  |  4 |  5 |  6 |
>  | 10 | 11 | 12 |
>
>  Here's a solution in emacs lisp:
>
>  #+srcname: column-bind-elisp(a=tab1, b=tab2)
>  #+begin_src emacs-lisp
>  (mapcar* 'append a b)
>  #+end_src
>
>
> column-bind-elisp
>
> Does not exist any more.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Uwe Brauer
>

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Re: [O] exported contacts problem

[Jude DaShiell]

I'm using nothing for contacts management by now.  I don't use moo or
gnus since I've had limited success setting up either one of them.  I
may take anotheeer throw at gnus since I have a gmail and panix account
and both accounts have usenet newsgroups capability.

On Sat, 3 Aug 2019, Tim Cross wrote:

> Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2019 16:33:37
> From: Tim Cross 
> To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
> Subject: Re: [O] exported contacts problem
>
>
> Are you using an emacs based email client like mu4e or gnus? What (if
> anything) do you use to manage contact information now i.e. BBDB, Asking as
> I am aware that some email clients have support for vcard processing and
> some contact managers also have support for vcard (i.e. bbdb), so
> initial processing may be easier from witin the mail client (new
> versions of mu4e are moving to use gnus as the message view mode, which
> has some advantced functions for dealing with vcard and ical
> attachments).
>
> There is also an org-vcard module, but last time I tried using this, I
> encountered some problems (can't remember what they were now - it was a
> while back, but it may have only support older vcard versions).
>
> Jude DaShiell  writes:
>
> > I have one email message with several .vcf file attachments.  Has orgmode
> > got any tool or tools I can use to import contacts from such a message
> > into an orgmode table?
>
>
>

-- 

Re: [O] exported contacts problem

[Jude DaShiell]

I have about 80 contacts so this is a personal contacts situation not a
business contacts situation.

On Fri, 2 Aug 2019, Jean Louis wrote:

> Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2019 12:02:36
> From: Jean Louis 
> To: Jude DaShiell 
> Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
> Subject: Re: [O] exported contacts problem
>
> * Jude DaShiell  [2019-08-02 17:48]:
> > I have one email message with several .vcf file attachments.  Has orgmode
> > got any tool or tools I can use to import contacts from such a message
> > into an orgmode table?
>
> And by all means, I would never keep contact in Org file, that is for
> short list fine, but for any future planning, contacts shall be in a
> real database sorted by its lists.
>
> A list could be group of people, or account name, or company name, or
> organization, or interest lists.
>
> Neither bbdb nor Org is suitable for any serious collection of
> contacts. I have 192,000+ contacts, and when they are in database and
> I am using PostgreSQL, it gives me most of benefits, I can sort people
> into lists, groups, I can contact them, count interactions, open up
> their files, emails with a fast command, edit their data, add notes,
> send them faxes and SMS, maintain relations.
>
> Jean
>

-- 

[O] exported contacts problem

[Jude DaShiell]

I have one email message with several .vcf file attachments.  Has orgmode
got any tool or tools I can use to import contacts from such a message
into an orgmode table?



--

Re: [O] Incorrect clock duration calculation

[Jude DaShiell]

Duration must not endure for more than 24 hours since that's
unendoreable.

On Tue, 7 May 2019, Martin Schroeder wrote:

> Date: Tue, 7 May 2019 05:07:58
> From: Martin Schroeder 
> To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
> Subject: [O] Incorrect clock duration calculation
>
> I noticed that on timestamps that begin or end at 00:00 the org mode
> org-evaluate-time-range function seems to produce wrong results. Here
> are some examples:
>
> For example, this should produce 2:00 duration:
> CLOCK: [2019-04-19 Fri 22:00]--[2019-04-19 Fri 00:00] => -22:00
> I tried this, but id did not work either:
> CLOCK: [2019-04-19 Fri 22:00]--[2019-04-19 Sat 00:00] => -22:00
> This works though but this does not cross day boundary:
> CLOCK: [2019-04-19 Fri 22:00]--[2019-04-19 Fri 23:00] =>  1:00
> This should produce 3:00 but it gives -21 even though the end time is
> later than start time:
> CLOCK: [2019-04-19 Fri 22:00]--[2019-04-19 Sat 01:00] => -21:00
>
> Does anyone have a solution for this?
>
>

-- 

[O] two orgmode discoveries

[Jude DaShiell]

1) If you need to insert columns in tables remember to add them from right
to left only.  I had to repopulate an orgmode table after I modified
structure by adding a column to the right of already existing columns and
this involved file operations outside of orgmode.  I might be able to make
a bash script to automate insert-right process but will need to study
that.

2) Time duration calculates to zero if duration goes past midnight.  If
some way exists to join a duration value say that goes from 20:15 to
midnight and the next one that goes from midnight to 07:30 and come up
with 11:15 for a result this would be useful.



--

[O] org-mode time durations

[Jude DaShiell]

I have a column of timestamps and these are more than 24 hours apart and
can't use the ;t format to get durations in a third column when two of
these timestamps are subtracted.  Fortunately, I can handle this
application with some basic programming.



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Re: [O] drawer handling

[Jude DaShiell]

Solved!  Two things to do with drawers in tables.  Put the drawer at the
end of a table.  If the table likely will expand, on the last entry in
the current table tab through the entry and tab once more so you leave a
blank line above the drawer that can have another entry added to it.
Drawers were mentioned in the context of notes in the org manual and
perhaps with this hack could also be mentioned in context with tables
too.

On Thu, 7 Feb 2019, Jude DaShiell wrote:

> Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2019 15:42:23
> From: Jude DaShiell 
> To: Nicolas Goaziou 
> Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
> Subject: Re: [O] drawer handling
>
> What I haven't tried yet is to put the drawer at the bottom of the
> table.  I'll try that next and see if that clears up my navigating
> problem.
>
> On Thu, 7 Feb 2019, Jude DaShiell wrote:
>
> > Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2019 15:28:17
> > From: Jude DaShiell 
> > To: Nicolas Goaziou 
> > Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
> > Subject: Re: [O] drawer handling
> >
> > Here's an example org file, when opened in emacs I can get into the
> > drawer but not beyond the drawer.
> >
> > | President   | birth   | age | signature | 
> > key | deathcard   |
> > :notes:
> > See "Kaballah Of Numbers" Chapter 4 by Sephariel for tarot card calculation 
> > method.
> > :END:
> > |-+-+-+---+-+-|
> > | George Washington   | 22february1731  |  68 | 19 sun| 
> >  33 | 14 Temperance   |
> > | John Adams  | 30October1735   |  90 | 19 Sun| 
> >  32 | 22 the Fool |
> > | Thomas Jefferson| 13April1743 |  83 | 19 Sun| 
> >  22 | 21 The world|
> > | James Madison   | 16March1751 |  85 | 19 Sun| 
> >  32 | 1 Magician  |
> > | James Monroe| 28April1758 |  73 | 6 The Lovers  | 
> >  21 | 16 Tower|
> > | John Quincy Adams   | 11July1767  |  80 | 13 Death  | 
> >  37 | 22 The Fool |
> > | Andrew Jackson  | 15March1767 |  78 | 21 The World  | 
> >  30 | 21 The World|
> > | Martin VanBuren | 5December1782   |  79 | 11 Strength   | 
> >  29 | 19 The Sun  |
> > | William Henry Harrison  | 9February1773   |  68 | 15 The Devil  | 
> >  33 | 20 Judgement|
> > | John Tyler  | 29March1790 |  71 | 18 The Moon   | 
> >  28 | 18 The Moon |
> > | James Knox Polk | 2November1795   |  53 | 16 The Tower  | 
> >  30 | 7 The Chariot   |
> > | Zachary Taylor  | 24November1784  |  65 | 15 The Devil  | 
> >  31 | 18 The Moon |
> > | Millard Fillmore| 7January1800|  74 | 13 Death  | 
> >  31 | 15 The Devil|
> > | Franklin Pierce | 23November1804  |  64 | 19 The Sun| 
> >  33 | 12 The Hanged Man   |
> > | James Buchanan  | 23April1791 |  77 | 13 Death  | 
> >  22 | 18 The Moon |
> > | Abraham Lincoln | 12February1809  |  56 | 18 The Moon   | 
> >  27 | 20 Judgement|
> > | Andrew Johnson  | 29December1808  |  66 | 15 The Devil  | 
> >  34 | 19 The Sun  |
> > | Hiram Ulysses Simpson-Grant | 27April1822 |  63 | 18 The Moon   | 
> >  50 | 18 The Moon |
> > | Rutherford Birchard Hayes   | 4October1822|  70 | 22 The Fool   | 
> >  45 | 21 The World|
> > | James Abram Garfield| 19November1831  |  49 | 20 Judgement  | 
> >  34 | 16 The Tower|
> > | Chester Alan Arthur | 5October1829|  57 | 17 The Star   | 
> >  24 | 11 Strength |
> > | Stephen Grover Cleveland| 18March1837 |  71 | 19 The Sun| 
> >  45 | 18 The Moon |
> > | Benjamin Harrison   | 20August1833|  68 | 20 Judgement  | 
> >  32 | 16 The Tower|
> > | William McKinley| 29January1843   |  58 | 16 The Tower  | 
> >  27 | 20 Judgement|
> > | Theodore Roosevelt  | 27October1858   |  60 | 7 The Chariot | 
> >  39 | 1 The Magician  |
> > | William Howard Taft | 15September1857 |  72 | 12 The Hanged Man | 
> >  45 | 22 The Fool |
> > | Thomas Woodrow Wilson   | 29December1856  |  67 | 19 The Sun| 
> >  35 | 6 The Lovers|
> > | Warren Gamaliel Harding | 2November1865   |

Re: [O] drawer handling

[Jude DaShiell]

What I haven't tried yet is to put the drawer at the bottom of the
table.  I'll try that next and see if that clears up my navigating
problem.

On Thu, 7 Feb 2019, Jude DaShiell wrote:

> Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2019 15:28:17
> From: Jude DaShiell 
> To: Nicolas Goaziou 
> Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
> Subject: Re: [O] drawer handling
>
> Here's an example org file, when opened in emacs I can get into the
> drawer but not beyond the drawer.
>
> | President   | birth   | age | signature | 
> key | deathcard   |
> :notes:
> See "Kaballah Of Numbers" Chapter 4 by Sephariel for tarot card calculation 
> method.
> :END:
> |-+-+-+---+-+-|
> | George Washington   | 22february1731  |  68 | 19 sun|  
> 33 | 14 Temperance   |
> | John Adams  | 30October1735   |  90 | 19 Sun|  
> 32 | 22 the Fool |
> | Thomas Jefferson| 13April1743 |  83 | 19 Sun|  
> 22 | 21 The world|
> | James Madison   | 16March1751 |  85 | 19 Sun|  
> 32 | 1 Magician  |
> | James Monroe| 28April1758 |  73 | 6 The Lovers  |  
> 21 | 16 Tower|
> | John Quincy Adams   | 11July1767  |  80 | 13 Death  |  
> 37 | 22 The Fool |
> | Andrew Jackson  | 15March1767 |  78 | 21 The World  |  
> 30 | 21 The World|
> | Martin VanBuren | 5December1782   |  79 | 11 Strength   |  
> 29 | 19 The Sun  |
> | William Henry Harrison  | 9February1773   |  68 | 15 The Devil  |  
> 33 | 20 Judgement|
> | John Tyler  | 29March1790 |  71 | 18 The Moon   |  
> 28 | 18 The Moon |
> | James Knox Polk | 2November1795   |  53 | 16 The Tower  |  
> 30 | 7 The Chariot   |
> | Zachary Taylor  | 24November1784  |  65 | 15 The Devil  |  
> 31 | 18 The Moon |
> | Millard Fillmore| 7January1800|  74 | 13 Death  |  
> 31 | 15 The Devil|
> | Franklin Pierce | 23November1804  |  64 | 19 The Sun|  
> 33 | 12 The Hanged Man   |
> | James Buchanan  | 23April1791 |  77 | 13 Death  |  
> 22 | 18 The Moon |
> | Abraham Lincoln | 12February1809  |  56 | 18 The Moon   |  
> 27 | 20 Judgement|
> | Andrew Johnson  | 29December1808  |  66 | 15 The Devil  |  
> 34 | 19 The Sun  |
> | Hiram Ulysses Simpson-Grant | 27April1822 |  63 | 18 The Moon   |  
> 50 | 18 The Moon |
> | Rutherford Birchard Hayes   | 4October1822|  70 | 22 The Fool   |  
> 45 | 21 The World|
> | James Abram Garfield| 19November1831  |  49 | 20 Judgement  |  
> 34 | 16 The Tower|
> | Chester Alan Arthur | 5October1829|  57 | 17 The Star   |  
> 24 | 11 Strength |
> | Stephen Grover Cleveland| 18March1837 |  71 | 19 The Sun|  
> 45 | 18 The Moon |
> | Benjamin Harrison   | 20August1833|  68 | 20 Judgement  |  
> 32 | 16 The Tower|
> | William McKinley| 29January1843   |  58 | 16 The Tower  |  
> 27 | 20 Judgement|
> | Theodore Roosevelt  | 27October1858   |  60 | 7 The Chariot |  
> 39 | 1 The Magician  |
> | William Howard Taft | 15September1857 |  72 | 12 The Hanged Man |  
> 45 | 22 The Fool |
> | Thomas Woodrow Wilson   | 29December1856  |  67 | 19 The Sun|  
> 35 | 6 The Lovers|
> | Warren Gamaliel Harding | 2November1865   |  58 | 12 The Hanged Man |  
> 37 | 16 The Tower|
> | John Calvin Coolidge| 4July1872   |  60 | 13 Death  |  
> 40 | 20 Judgement|
> | Herbert Clark Hoover| 10August1874|  90 | 18 The Moon   |  
> 34 | 9 The Hermit|
> | Franklin Delano Roosevelt   | 30January1882   |  63 | 11 Strength   |  
> 28 | 20 Judgement|
> | Harry S Truman  | 8May1884|  88 | 14 Temperance |  
> 38 | 21 The World|
> | David Dwight Eisenhower | 14October1890   |  78 | 21 The World  |  
> 48 | 10 Wheel of fortune |
> | John Fitzgerald Kennedy | 29May1917   |  46 | 16 The Tower  |  
> 34 | 8 Justice   |
> | Lyndon Baines Johnson   | 27August1908|  65 | 17 The Star   |  
> 44 | 10 Wheel Of Fortune |
> | Richard Milhous Nixon   | 9January1913|  81 | 20 Judgement  |  
> 42 | 11 Strength |
> | Leslie Lynch King   | 14J

Re: [O] drawer handling

[Jude DaShiell]

 Judgement  |  36 
| |
| | | |   | 
| |

On Thu, 7 Feb 2019, Nicolas Goaziou
wrote:

> Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2019 08:29:04
> From: Nicolas Goaziou 
> To: Jude DaShiell 
> Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
> Subject: Re: [O] drawer handling
>
> Hello,
>
> Jude DaShiell  writes:
>
> > If a drawer is associated with and below a table entry is it necessary to
> > hide the drawer's visibility in order to go below the drawer in the
> > original org file and edit entries below that drawer?  I'm using org
> > version 8.29 and just using tab doesn't get me below a drawer.
>
> I don't understand your issue. Could you show an example?
>
> Regards,
>
>

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[O] drawer handling

[Jude DaShiell]

If a drawer is associated with and below a table entry is it necessary to
hide the drawer's visibility in order to go below the drawer in the
original org file and edit entries below that drawer?  I'm using org
version 8.29 and just using tab doesn't get me below a drawer.



--

Re: [O] Org without Emacs?

[Jude DaShiell]

Too bad Apple's IOS is so limited the app store only offers not emacs
along with the org clones which have to operate separately.

On Wed, 30 Jan 2019, nly wrote:

> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2019 20:33:33
> From: nly 
> To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
> Subject: Re: [O] Org without Emacs?
>
> btw, you can run emacs on android, and use org from there.
>
> You can install termux from fdroid
> and then, at a termux shell, enter:
> $ pkg install emacs
>
> I use emacs for org and matrix because matrix clients on android are not as 
> nice.
>
> Cheers,
> Amar 
>
> On January 29, 2019 3:46:43 PM UTC, Scott Randby  wrote:
> >On 1/28/19 11:42 PM, Tim Cross wrote:
> >> Of course, this says nothing about the ethical position associated
> >with re-implementing functionality from a GPL'd sysem under a non-free
> >license. We can hope people do the right thing, but have no control to
> >enforce it. I also doubt it will cause any fracture in the org user
> >community - the bottom line is most of use came to org because of
> >Emacs. These other systems don't have Emacs and therefore are really
> >only a pale imitation.
> >
> >I'm one of those who came to Emacs because of Org. I read an article in
> >some magazine (Linux Journal?) about Org and knew I had to try it out.
> >Once I was into using Org, Emacs took over more and more of my
> >computing life. People who use a non-free semi-implementation of Org
> >may not even realize Emacs is the software that made Org possible and
> >that Emacs is so great, and I think that is sad.
> >
> >Scott
>
>

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[O] an org-mode linking question

[Jude DaShiell]

I have two files one with notes in it and another containing a table.  I'd
like to keep the notes out of the file with the table in it and like to
keep the table out of the notes file.  Though these two files mostly have
the same names I'm wondering if putting the notes file in a drawer
contained in the table file would be the best way to link these two files
so they stay together.  The notes file is accessed rarely with the table
file having more frequent accesses to update if that helps.



--

Re: [O] headline and a table

[Jude DaShiell]

Great, thanks this worked perfectly!

On Wed, 2 Jan 2019, Eric S Fraga wrote:

> Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2019 09:51:15
> From: Eric S Fraga 
> To: Jude DaShiell 
> Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
> Subject: Re: [O] headline and a table
>
> On Saturday, 29 Dec 2018 at 09:41, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> > I have an orgmode table and a note in a headline and those two need to
> > stay together in the same file.  The table as is usual has headings.  What
> > I would like to know is if orgmode can do a boxed heading like this:
> > |--|---|
> > | date | notes |
> > |--|---|
>
> Yes, orgmode will definitely allow you to have:
>
> |--+---|
> | date | notes |
> |--+---|
>
> which you can achieve by typing
>
> "| date | notes C-u C-c - C-c -"
>
> (without the quotes, and there are other ways of achieving the same)
>
>

-- 

[O] headline and a table

[Jude DaShiell]

I have an orgmode table and a note in a headline and those two need to
stay together in the same file.  The table as is usual has headings.  What
I would like to know is if orgmode can do a boxed heading like this:
|--|---|
| date | notes |
|--|---|

I can live with plus signs being used in such a structure but think this
kind of table heading would work better than:

* note
| date | notes |
|--|---|



-- 

[O] duration feature especially useful

[Jude DaShiell]

I have some devices like an iphone which is all of 4 years old and going 
on 5.  I can use org-mode to log battery recharge and battery discharge 
durations with a basic org-mode table and in the event the discharge 
duration starts dropping off sharply maybe get to a store and replace the 
phone.  I put two inactive time stamps in a field for recharge and 
discharge and beside both of those fields I have a duration field where I 
do the math and record the hours and minutes.


I have an ~/org/logs/iphone.org file and have other directories under that 
~/org/ directory too.




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[O] 911 and Call Centers was employment stats that don't change (fwd)

[Jude DaShiell]

Is org-mode or a special-purpose contribution being used to handle 911 
response centers and call center activities?

If not, is org-mode even feasible for this kind of work?



--


-- Forwarded message --
Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2017 09:50:47
From: Lisa Belville 
Reply-To: Blind exchange and discussion 
To: blin...@listserv.icors.org
Subject: 911 and Call Centers was employment stats that don't change

Here's some discussion about working as a 911 dispatcher and/or general call 
center reps from a blindness-oriented web site.Notice how critical the 
access to real time information is.


https://www.zonebbs.com/boards.php?t=30408

Lisa

Lisa Belville
missktlab1...@frontier.com
I'm great at multi-tasking. I can waste time, be unproductive, and 
procrastinate all at once.

Re: [O] org-mode basic spreadsheet question

[Jude DaShiell]

I think I figured something out.  The only reason I'm writing the list 
about it is because it may help others out with similar situations.  I can 
put ($) in headings were columns contain all currency figures.  That would 
normally be a prefix to those numbers so I might write ($) amount as a 
column heading but I would not be surprised if I got an org-mode 
spreadsheet with a heading like performance (%) in it and could understand 
that all entries in that column were percentages.  This may be a way to 
handle both prefixes and suffixes in spreadsheet applications for org-mode 
in the future.




--

[O] basic spreadsheet question

[Jude DaShiell]

When currency is calculated, is it possible in org-mode to have a "$" 
prefix on currency amounts?



--

[O] test.org

[Jude DaShiell]

Interesting, I put a vertical on a line to start an org-mode table and 
keyed data dictionary in followed by a space another vertical and a return 
key.  Then I put vertical followed by a space followed by variable 
followed by space followed by vertical followed by type followed by space 
followed by vertical followed by space followed by description followed by 
space followed by vertical followed by return followed by vertical 
followed by hyphen followed by tab.  I got onto line 4 in column 3 but 
line one acquired all of the verticals from line 2 in addition to what it 
already had.


| data dictionary |  | |
| variable| type | description |
|-+--+-|
| |  | |

--

[O] titles on tables

[Jude DaShiell]

Is it possible to do something like:
| Data Dictionary |
| variable | type| description|
|-

As a table header or maybe even somehow have data dictionary centered?
I made a table earlier without the title line and tried doing a retrofit 
that didn't work.  If this isn't possible and the table won't be exported 
to html or other formats does another way exist to do this?




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Re: [O] org table clean up command

[Jude DaShiell]

I ran another check, and there is serious reason to like and use org-mode! 
org-mode did to the automatic clean up on that column when I saved the org 
table file with emacs.  I find this to be very helpful.



--

[O] org table clean up command

[Jude DaShiell]

I wrote a table in org-mode and a certain column in that table should have 
all content entries starting in character position 32.  I ran cut on the 
table and sent output to another file in order to inspect my work and 
found at least one line of the table for that column had content starting 
in column 28.  I opened the file again in org-mode and located the row and 
column and checked the content start position and that showed as being in 
column 32.  So this brings up two questions.
1) When I saved that org file after checking it and found content output 
starting in column 32 rather than in character position 28, did org-mode 
clean up the table for me?
2) If org-mode did not clean up the table, does a command exist I can use 
to cause such a clean up to happen?



--

Re: [O] multiple tables in orgmode document?

[Jude DaShiell]

I could start a document out with a table and maybe write some text 
outside of that table below it but then I would need to write a 
different table below that text with different column headings and 
different content.
If necessary, I could also write one table per document and text in 
separate documents but then I'd need to use #INCLUDE statements in those 
files or use the cat command to merge them together correctly.


On Tue, 1 Nov 2016, John Kitchin wrote:


Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2016 20:15:20
From: John Kitchin <jkitc...@andrew.cmu.edu>
To: Jude DaShiell <jdash...@panix.com>
Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
Subject: Re: [O] multiple tables in orgmode document?

You mean besides something like:

| a | b |
|---+---|
| 2 | 3 |


Some text

#+name: some-ther-table
| x | y |
| 4 | 5 |
| 7 | 8 |

etc...


Jude DaShiell writes:


First, can it be done?
Second, can I write text between tables in the document?
Third, can I start a table after first line of document and also end that
table?

Earlier I wanted to write a document containing notes and tables and found
it difficult getting emacs-orgmode to end the first table.  I wanted to
put a dashed line with verticals in it like what we do with the |-
command just after writing column headings and couldn't figure out how to
do that.






--

[O] multiple tables in orgmode document?

[Jude DaShiell]

First, can it be done?
Second, can I write text between tables in the document?
Third, can I start a table after first line of document and also end that 
table?


Earlier I wanted to write a document containing notes and tables and found 
it difficult getting emacs-orgmode to end the first table.  I wanted to 
put a dashed line with verticals in it like what we do with the |- 
command just after writing column headings and couldn't figure out how to 
do that.




--

[O] swindle.org

[Jude DaShiell]

Here's a small org file for logging all of those attempted swindle calls. 
Use this and if you talk to authorities or consumer protection types 
you'll have your ducks in a row.


| date | message | call | notes |
|--+-+--+---|
|  | |  |   |

--

[O] nethack and orgmode

[Jude DaShiell]

| level \ row \ column \note \ |   |
|  | - |
|  |   |

--

Re: [O] Orgmobile android does not work anymore (fwd)

[Jude DaShiell]

--


-- Forwarded message --
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 03:28:15
From: Mart van de Wege 
To: help-gnu-em...@gnu.org
Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help
Subject: Re: Orgmobile android does not work anymore

jj.r&@gmail.con (Jean-Jacques R?torr?) writes:


I used orgmobile android mobile connected to Dropbox on my Samsung GT-S5830,
but since my change for Motorola Moto E, impossible to syncroniser.
Is orgmobile android  still maintained for android 5.0.2 ?


Do you get any useful errors? I'm using orgmobile syncing with a WebDAV
directory at home (over a VPN, but that's immaterial), and it works just
fine.

Mart

--
"We will need a longer wall when the revolution comes."
--- AJS, quoting an uncertain source.

Re: [O] org-mode and scrum

[Jude DaShiell]

Thanks much, between the two of us I think we helped out one aspiring 
blind software engineer and others who use the archives of the nfbcs 
list later.


On Sun, 18 Oct 2015, Shakthi Kannan wrote:


Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2015 05:19:08
From: Shakthi Kannan <shakthim...@gmail.com>
To: Jude DaShiell <jdash...@panix.com>
Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
Subject: Re: [O] org-mode and scrum

Hi,

--- On Sat, Oct 17, 2015 at 1:23 PM, Jude DaShiell <jdash...@panix.com> wrote:
| Have we got any software engineers on this list who use or have used
| org-mode for doing scrum?
\--

I use emacs-scrum:

 https://github.com/ianxm/emacs-scrum

SK




--

[O] org-mode and scrum

[Jude DaShiell]

Have we got any software engineers on this list who use or have used 
org-mode for doing scrum?  How useable is org-mode for scrum anyway?  Over 
on nf...@nfbnet.org accessible scrum tools came up as a topic since most 
of the members of nfbcs are doing stuff with computers and are blind.  I 
perhaps mistakenly advocated use of org-mode either for a single blind 
software engineering student or that student's team and got lots of static 
back on it.  How eell-informed is that static?  The team gets to choose 
and use its own scrum tool.  grello was used last year and wasn't fully 
capable and gera was suggested but this would cost everyone on the team 
$10.00 per month to use.




--

Re: [O] maybe ordered list broken

[Jude DaShiell]

It was my file that had the wrong format.  This brings up another 
couple questions.  What is the correct left margin for notes/list items 
that will take up more than a single line using ordered list mode inside 
org-mode?  A second question and if an answer or answers for this one 
exist they may be helpful for others.  Can org-mode be set so that say in 
ordered list mode when a note or list item gets beyond x margin org-mode 
will wrap lines and keep succeeding lines between the correct left margin 
for continuation lines and the x right margin?  That is, a user can type a 
list item/note on a single line or at least it appears that way to them, 
but org-mode will automatically split continuation lines correctly and 
that is how the ordered list mode will save that document.




--

[O] maybe ordered list bug

[Jude DaShiell]

I am studying python to the best of my ability.  I have a file 
python_notes.org.  As of now it has 93 list entries in it which are notes.
I am unable to either add text to the 93rd note or add another list item 
which would be a note of 94) to the file.  My disk space is not wiped out 
either.  Version of org-mode came with emacs 24.51 that I'm using.  If 
anyone takes a look at this file, by now it has several lines in it.  To 
keep things brief anyone interested can look at 
http://www.panix.com/~jdashiel/python_notes.org in a few minutes since I 
have to put the file in my web space first.  What I would like to know is 
if I made any formatting mistakes that are causing this to happen and if 
not is this a bug in ordered list mode in emacs-orgmode?




--

[O] Emacspeak and org mode (fwd)

[Jude DaShiell]

--


-- Forwarded message --
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2015 02:17:21
From: Tim Cross tcr...@une.edu.au
To: emacspeak emacsp...@cs.vassar.edu
Subject: Emacspeak and org mode
Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2015 02:29:40 -0400 (EDT)
Resent-From: emacsp...@cs.vassar.edu


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Dear All,

is anyone else experiencing signficant loss of functionality with =
emacspeak and org mode recently?

I=E2=80=99ve noticed that in the last week, a number of significant =
problems with org mode and emacspeak. Unfortunately, I upgraded both my =
emacspeak and org mode at about the same time, so I=E2=80=99m not sure =
whether the issue is with emacspeak or org mode.

I run the org-plus-contrib package from the org mode elpa repository. =
I=E2=80=99m running emacspeak from github.

Things I have noticed

1. When adding a note from an agenda view ie. after hittinng =E2=80=98z=E2=
=80=99, while entering the note, emacspeak just keeps repeating =
=E2=80=9Cbefore headline at position =E2=80=9D, which makes using =
the note feature near impossible
2. running org-babel-load-file to generate new code files from babel =
code is extremely slow
3. Clocking in/out in the agenda doesn=E2=80=99t seem to work correctly =
and I think is throwing an error (but it isn=E2=80=99t spoken, so I need =
to dig deeper).
4. When working in an *.org file, moving down lines withe either C-n or =
arrow down, every now and again, emacspeak speaks the top/first heading =
line instead of the line of text the cursor is at. You have to move up =
and down a few times before it will speak the line rather than the =
headline

plus a number of other issues.

I=E2=80=99m not looking for an angel to come and fix this. I=E2=80=99m =
just after any input to know if

1. anyone else seeing similar recently?
2. any clues as to whether this is due to changes in emacspeak or =
org-mode

and of course, if you have fixes/work-arounds, I=E2=80=99ll take them =
too!

regards,

Tim





Tim Cross

IT Security Manager
Information Technology Directorate

University of New England
Armidale N.S.W. 2351 Australia

Email: tcr...@une.edu.au
Phone: +61 2 6773 3210
Mobile: +61 428 212 217


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htmlheadmeta http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3Dtext/html =
charset=3Dutf-8/headbody style=3Dword-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; =
class=3DDear All,div class=3Dbr class=3D/divdiv =
class=3Dis anyone else experiencing signficant loss of functionality =
with emacspeak and org mode recently?/divdiv class=3Dbr =
class=3D/divdiv class=3DI=E2=80=99ve noticed that in the last =
week, a number of significant problems with org mode and emacspeak. =
Unfortunately, I upgraded both my emacspeak and org mode at about the =
same time, so I=E2=80=99m not sure whether the issue is with emacspeak =
or org mode.nbsp;/divdiv class=3Dbr class=3D/divdiv =
class=3DI run the org-plus-contrib package from the org mode elpa =
repository. I=E2=80=99m running emacspeak from github./divdiv =
class=3Dbr class=3D/divdiv class=3DThings I have =
noticed/divdiv class=3Dbr class=3D/divdiv class=3D1. =
When adding a note from an agenda view ie. after hittinng =E2=80=98z=E2=80=
=99, while entering the note, emacspeak just keeps repeating =E2=80=9Cbefo=
re headline at position =E2=80=9D, which makes using the note =
feature near impossible/divdiv class=3D2. running =
org-babel-load-file to generate new code files from babel code is =
extremely slow/divdiv class=3D3. Clocking in/out in the agenda =
doesn=E2=80=99t seem to work correctly and I think is throwing an error =
(but it isn=E2=80=99t spoken, so I need to dig deeper)./divdiv =
class=3D4. When working in an *.org file, moving down lines withe =
either C-n or arrow down, every now and again, emacspeak speaks the =
top/first heading line instead of the line of text the cursor is at. You =
have to move up and down a few times before it will speak the line =
rather than the headlinebr class=3Ddiv apple-content-edited=3Dtrue =
class=3D
div style=3Dcolor: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: =
14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; =
letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: =
start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
class=3Dspanbr class=3D/span/divdiv style=3Dcolor: rgb(0, =
0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: 

[O] orgmode and R?

[Jude DaShiell]

Can the orgmode spreadsheet access R either directly or indirectly through 
maybe babel?  If this is possible, do any tutorials exist with some worked 
examples?  I have R and emacs-R-mode installed so I can access R from 
emacs at least.




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Re: [O] searching for csv utilities

[Jude DaShiell]

I spent time looking for vmode in info org using a regular expression 
search and couldn't find it either.  That capability is probably in R 
though it may be under another name.  I have emacs-ess package and R 
installed on this system though haven't used them yet.  I also found sbcl 
so if it gets too difficult to get stuff done with R I'll have an option 
open to start studying common lisp and write a mode function I can use 
with common lisp in conjunction with orgmode.


Interestingly, I did find pop_stdev() in postgresql but it turned out to 
be one of those situations like you were better off never having found 
that function since I managed to break a query that was working up until I 
added that extra code into it.  I was using aliases and pop_stdev() needs 
explicit casting to work at all for some reason.  That's what happens on 
learning curves every so often.




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[O] calc vmode function is probably broken

[Jude DaShiell]

I write that since a few minutes ago, I sorted columns 2-5 in numerical 
order with m-x org-table-sort-lines then returned to the top of file and 
did cu+cc+cc and checked the mode row and vmode still returned only zeros.




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Re: [O] searching for csv utilities

[Jude DaShiell]

Hi Jonathan,

calc has vmode if that helps any.
On Wed, 3 Jun 2015, Jonathan Leech-Pepin 
wrote:



Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2015 12:38:37
From: Jonathan Leech-Pepin jonathan.leechpe...@gmail.com
To: Jude DaShiell jdash...@panix.com
Cc: Org Mode Mailing List emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
Subject: Re: [O] searching for csv utilities

On 3 June 2015 at 12:07, Jude DaShiell jdash...@panix.com wrote:


This is a piece of a modified ecm that may show what's going on.

cut here.
|--+-+++|
| Averages:| ||||
| Counts:  | ||||
| Maximums:| ||||
| Medians: | ||||
| Minimums:| ||||
| Modes:   | ||||
| Standard Deviations: | ||||
| Sums:| 108.69) | 70.45) | 66.62) | 92.93) |
|--+-+++|
#+TBLFM: @$2..@$=vmean(@I..@;%.2f)

I haven't even attempted the rest of the math since I have no way to
predict where any of the results will land.



@ means last line, @ is second to last, @ third to last and so on.
So for 7th from the bottom it would be @.

Re: PrintF specification
Everything after the =;= is considered part of the specification, so the
=)= used to close the vmean is actually part of the specification.
Changing that to =vmean();%.2f= will correct it.



For your sample ECM (plus original data and one sample line to actually
confirm median works) you would work with the following (Apologies for the
very long TBLFM line):

I was unable to find a built-in to determine the mode.  I've found sample
functions on Stack Overflow that would calculate it based on a list, but
I'm not familiar enough with Org-Table format on how to go from cell
references =@I..@II= to a list of values for the sake of manipulating them.

: | Date |Sys |Dia |Pul |  Sugar |
: |--++++|
: | [2014-04-27 Sun] |125 | 88 | 78 | 92 |
: | [2014-04-28 Mon] |102 | 88 | 86 | 92 |
: | [2014-04-29 Tue] |115 | 88 | 85 | 95 |
: |--++++|
: | Averages:| 114.00 |  88.00 |  83.00 |  93.00 |
: | Counts:  |   3.00 |   3.00 |   3.00 |   3.00 |
: | Maximums:| 125.00 |  88.00 |  86.00 |  95.00 |
: | Medians: | 115.00 |  88.00 |  85.00 |  92.00 |
: | Minimums:| 102.00 |  88.00 |  78.00 |  92.00 |
: | Modes:   |||||
: | Standard Deviations: |  11.53 |   0.00 |   4.36 |   1.73 |
: | Sums:| 342.00 | 264.00 | 249.00 | 279.00 |
: |--++++|
: #+TBLFM: @$2..@$=vsum(@I..@II);%.2f::@$2..@$=vsdev(@I..@II
);%.2f::@$2..@$=vmin(@I..@II);%.2f::@$2..@

$=vmedian(@I..@II);%.2f::@$2..@$=vmax(@I..@II);%.2f::@

$2..@$=vcount(@I..@II);%.2f::@$2..@

$=vmean(@I..@II);%.2f


Regards,
Jonathan

On Tue, 2 Jun 2015, Jonathan Leech-Pepin wrote:


 Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2015 08:04:20

From: Jonathan Leech-Pepin jonathan.leechpe...@gmail.com
To: Jude DaShiell jdash...@panix.com
Cc: Org Mode Mailing List emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
Subject: Re: [O] searching for csv utilities

Hello,

On 2 June 2015 at 07:44, Jude DaShiell jdash...@panix.com wrote:

 | Date |   Sys | Dia | Pul | Sugar |

|--+---+-+-+---|
| [2014-04-27 Sun] |   125 |  88 |  78 |92 |
| [2014-04-28 Mon] |   102 |  88 |  86 |92 |
| Averages:| =$2=vmean(@..@) | | |   |
#+TBLFM: $2=$2=vmean(@..@)



The formula in question is the culprit in this case (at least as stated
there).

: $2=$2=vmean(@..@)

Second column is equal to the second column which is equal to the mean of
all the values in the second column (including the header Sys).

If you change the table as follows:

| Date |   Sys | Dia | Pul | Sugar |
|--+---+-+-+---|
| [2014-04-27 Sun] |   125 |  88 |  78 |92 |
| [2014-04-28 Mon] |   102 |  88 |  86 |92 |
|--+---+-+-+---|
| Averages:| 113.5 |  88 |  82 |92 |
#+TBLFM: @$2..@$=vmean(@I..@II)

All the values will properly compute.  If you want to avoid the second
HLINE above Averages: then change =@II= to =@= (penultimate row)

Regards,
Jon


 This is a cut down version of my full record set.  Sometimes when I key

formulas in I get ?ERROR back for a result after keying in c-c+c-c once
I've completed the formula and hit tab.  If I do c-u+c-c+c-c that
sometimes
generated ?ERROR.  Other times I key in a formula and the cursor gets
locked and I have to hit c-g to exit #+TBLFM: mode; I

Re: [O] searching for csv utilities

[Jude DaShiell]

Jonathan,

Your modified ecm in this case works.
Having applied the ecm to a larger file with seven additional 
calculation rows in it the averages are now displaying on the sums line.
I tried @-7 at the start of the #+TBLFM: line and that generated about 
as many errors as someone's first efforts at a Cobol program.
I also put a printf format string into that TBLFM: line that rounds 
averages to two decimal places and also prints out right parens at the 
end of each result.  Is that an emacs-orgmode convention?  I think the 
2$2 piece of the #+TBLFM: line tells emacs-orgmode to put that 
calculation's results on the last line of the file and in column 2.


Are these calculations elisp format?  If so, I didn't read the elisp 
section of the spreadsheet info for emacs-orgmode yet.


On Tue, 2 Jun 2015, Jonathan Leech-Pepin wrote:


Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2015 08:04:20
From: Jonathan Leech-Pepin jonathan.leechpe...@gmail.com
To: Jude DaShiell jdash...@panix.com
Cc: Org Mode Mailing List emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
Subject: Re: [O] searching for csv utilities

Hello,

On 2 June 2015 at 07:44, Jude DaShiell jdash...@panix.com wrote:


| Date |   Sys | Dia | Pul | Sugar |
|--+---+-+-+---|
| [2014-04-27 Sun] |   125 |  88 |  78 |92 |
| [2014-04-28 Mon] |   102 |  88 |  86 |92 |
| Averages:| =$2=vmean(@..@) | | |   |
#+TBLFM: $2=$2=vmean(@..@)



The formula in question is the culprit in this case (at least as stated
there).

: $2=$2=vmean(@..@)

Second column is equal to the second column which is equal to the mean of
all the values in the second column (including the header Sys).

If you change the table as follows:

| Date |   Sys | Dia | Pul | Sugar |
|--+---+-+-+---|
| [2014-04-27 Sun] |   125 |  88 |  78 |92 |
| [2014-04-28 Mon] |   102 |  88 |  86 |92 |
|--+---+-+-+---|
| Averages:| 113.5 |  88 |  82 |92 |
#+TBLFM: @$2..@$=vmean(@I..@II)

All the values will properly compute.  If you want to avoid the second
HLINE above Averages: then change =@II= to =@= (penultimate row)

Regards,
Jon



This is a cut down version of my full record set.  Sometimes when I key
formulas in I get ?ERROR back for a result after keying in c-c+c-c once
I've completed the formula and hit tab.  If I do c-u+c-c+c-c that sometimes
generated ?ERROR.  Other times I key in a formula and the cursor gets
locked and I have to hit c-g to exit #+TBLFM: mode; I don't know what's
actually happening when that situation arises since other than suddenly
finding the cursor locked I can neither tell what state I'm in or if a few
more keystrokes are needed or if I've generated an error situation.

 --







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Re: [O] searching for csv utilities

[Jude DaShiell]

This is a piece of a modified ecm that may show what's going on.

cut here.
|--+-+++|
| Averages:| ||||
| Counts:  | ||||
| Maximums:| ||||
| Medians: | ||||
| Minimums:| ||||
| Modes:   | ||||
| Standard Deviations: | ||||
| Sums:| 108.69) | 70.45) | 66.62) | 92.93) |
|--+-+++|
#+TBLFM: @$2..@$=vmean(@I..@;%.2f)

I haven't even attempted the rest of the math since I have no way to 
predict where any of the results will land.
On Tue, 2 
Jun 2015, Jonathan Leech-Pepin wrote:



Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2015 08:04:20
From: Jonathan Leech-Pepin jonathan.leechpe...@gmail.com
To: Jude DaShiell jdash...@panix.com
Cc: Org Mode Mailing List emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
Subject: Re: [O] searching for csv utilities

Hello,

On 2 June 2015 at 07:44, Jude DaShiell jdash...@panix.com wrote:


| Date |   Sys | Dia | Pul | Sugar |
|--+---+-+-+---|
| [2014-04-27 Sun] |   125 |  88 |  78 |92 |
| [2014-04-28 Mon] |   102 |  88 |  86 |92 |
| Averages:| =$2=vmean(@..@) | | |   |
#+TBLFM: $2=$2=vmean(@..@)



The formula in question is the culprit in this case (at least as stated
there).

: $2=$2=vmean(@..@)

Second column is equal to the second column which is equal to the mean of
all the values in the second column (including the header Sys).

If you change the table as follows:

| Date |   Sys | Dia | Pul | Sugar |
|--+---+-+-+---|
| [2014-04-27 Sun] |   125 |  88 |  78 |92 |
| [2014-04-28 Mon] |   102 |  88 |  86 |92 |
|--+---+-+-+---|
| Averages:| 113.5 |  88 |  82 |92 |
#+TBLFM: @$2..@$=vmean(@I..@II)

All the values will properly compute.  If you want to avoid the second
HLINE above Averages: then change =@II= to =@= (penultimate row)

Regards,
Jon



This is a cut down version of my full record set.  Sometimes when I key
formulas in I get ?ERROR back for a result after keying in c-c+c-c once
I've completed the formula and hit tab.  If I do c-u+c-c+c-c that sometimes
generated ?ERROR.  Other times I key in a formula and the cursor gets
locked and I have to hit c-g to exit #+TBLFM: mode; I don't know what's
actually happening when that situation arises since other than suddenly
finding the cursor locked I can neither tell what state I'm in or if a few
more keystrokes are needed or if I've generated an error situation.

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Re: [O] searching for csv utilities

[Jude DaShiell]

First, I tried usinb multiple #+TBLFM: lines to do all of the math and 
that only did the first line of calculations which was the sums which 
appear last.  After replacing the double colons between calculation 
lines in the single line form of the #+TBLFM: line seven of the 8 lines 
worked correctly.  The vmode() function only returned zeros since the 
columns weren't sorted.  I did find a calc-sort function in the calc 
info and tried vmode(sort(@I..@II))%.2f (nested functions) and that also 
returned zeros on the mode line.  Must be some other way to use that 
function I'll have to search out.  Thanks much for the help on this 
project, it probably will be stolen from and used in other projects 
here.



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Re: [O] searching for csv utilities

[Jude DaShiell]

| Date |   Sys | Dia | Pul | Sugar |
|--+---+-+-+---|
| [2014-04-27 Sun] |   125 |  88 |  78 |92 |
| [2014-04-28 Mon] |   102 |  88 |  86 |92 |
| Averages:| =$2=vmean(@..@) | | |   |
#+TBLFM: $2=$2=vmean(@..@)

This is a cut down version of my full record set.  Sometimes when I key 
formulas in I get ?ERROR back for a result after keying in c-c+c-c once 
I've completed the formula and hit tab.  If I do c-u+c-c+c-c that 
sometimes generated ?ERROR.  Other times I key in a formula and the cursor 
gets locked and I have to hit c-g to exit #+TBLFM: mode; I don't know 
what's actually happening when that situation arises since other than 
suddenly finding the cursor locked I can neither tell what state I'm in or 
if a few more keystrokes are needed or if I've generated an error 
situation.


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[O] search for csv utilities

[Jude DaShiell]

I'll be searching for a csv table editor to replace emacs-orgmode.  I have 
concluded emacs-orgmode spreadsheet is unusable and the amount of data is 
at 400 records now and will grow.  I can export to my iPhone and use 
numbers sheets or excel in that environment to get the statistical 
calculations I need done.  A year ago, I thought since postgresql couldn't 
do population standard deviation calculations I'd be able to get that 
working with emacs-orgmode even if calc had to be used to get that done. 
I was wrong.
This sometimes doesn't mess up my notes when doing outlines and lists but 
is no longer suitable for math.



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