Re: Links to javascript-based websites from orgmode.org: Paypal and Github
On 7/4/2022 08:38, Ihor Radchenko wrote: Timothy writes: In this entire 40+ message thread, only two options have been listed (besides the FSF’s special arrangement) which do not direct people to non-free JS: Cryptocurrancy Which is volatile in value, regional regulation, and individual distaste. Cheques Which are a dying (and in some places dead) form of bank transfer instruction. It’s already been established that Ihor would face a US$200 fee when collecting a cheque, and over where I am the central bank announced in 2019 that at a point in the near future the “it will be appropriate to wind up the cheque system”. Last year a neighbouring country stopped offering or receiving cheques altogether. [ ... ] So, to sum up the situation I’d suggest we pick from the following options: ⁃ Accept the situation isn’t great ⁃ Build/fund a new tool ⁃ Convince an existing tool to be more libera-friendly ⁃ Use the FSF as an intermediary Asking maintainers not to accept donations (or making it prohibitively difficult) is not a solution. I support this statement. Hello, Same. This discussion is a classic illustration of making the perfect an enemy of the good. In a foot race, the goal is to get across the finish line. Similarly, our goal is to get our money where it needs to go. It's good to keep that in mind. Thanks. mp -- "Do not neglect to do good, and to share what you have." - Hebrews 13:16a Michael Powe Naugatuck CT USA po...@ctpowe.net
Re: Links to javascript-based websites from orgmode.org: Paypal and Github
On 6/30/2022 23:53, Tim Cross wrote: Richard Stallman writes: I agree that links to liberapay might someday work without the donor's running nonfree software. But that is not likely to occur this year, and for it to occur in this decade is a long shot. So please don't put links to liberapay into GNU package web pages. Please explain how you can argue that position when the FSF has such a link on their web page? Why is it OK for the FSF to do this to raise funds, but not acceptable for projects to do the same? Why are there interstate highways in Hawaii? Why ask why? (I suspect that RMS doesn't have final say over that decision.) Thanks. mp -- "Do not neglect to do good, and to share what you have." - Hebrews 13:16a Michael Powe Naugatuck CT USA po...@ctpowe.net
Re: Links to javascript-based websites from orgmode.org: Paypal and Github
On 6/27/2022 21:54, Ihor Radchenko wrote: Michael Powe writes: Anyone completely serious about a refusal to use nonfree tools for making donations will send a check in the mail, literally. Would providing something like "Contact us via email if you prefer to make a donation using alternative mechanism" help if we add such statement to https://liberapay.com/org-mode page? Hello, I think it would be good to let people know that they could do so. In re: the mailing address, this should be a post office box, or possibly, a business address, not a residential street address. Aside from the privacy concern of putting your personal address out there, I think it's better marketing to avoid telling users to send their money to someone's home. ;-) Now, I've been using the business name "MAP Analytics" above my home address for years. The business exists only in my imagination, but it serves the purpose when an "organization" name is required. Thanks. mp -- "Do not neglect to do good, and to share what you have." - Hebrews 13:16a Michael Powe Naugatuck CT USA po...@ctpowe.net
Re: Links to javascript-based websites from orgmode.org: Paypal and Github
On 6/27/2022 19:42, Tim Cross wrote: Tom Gillespie writes: GNU packages should not steer people towards running nonfree software. As a consequence, they should not suggest people donate using payment services that _require_ the donor to run a nonfree program. A slight variant of Ihor's question. While GNU packages should not steer people toward nonfree software, I assume that there is nothing that prohibits GNU contributors from accepting donations via non-free systems. This thread suggests that it is no other option if devs also do not want to steer people toward cryptocurrencies (which some consider to be as ethically important as not steering people toward nonfree software). My question is whether the website for a GNU package can include links to the websites of individual developers with a note that you can provide financial support to the project by supporting individuals. In the end the user still winds up using nonfree JS, but is GNU living up to its principles by virtue of the extra layer of indirection? Given that https://www.fsf.org/about/ways-to-donate/ does include paypal as an option, with a disclaimer, is a disclaimer not a sufficient solution for GNU packages as well? Given that the FSF has a link to PayPal on their donations page , I think we can do the same for the org project. All that is required is that we do like the FSF does and put a bit of text beside it stating "Not recommended - requires nonfree Javascript". We should also include a postal address where people could send in donations to provide an alternative for those who really don't want to use the non-free service (which doens't have to be paypal of course - any of them would likely be as good). You don't chop down a tree by snipping off the branches at the top. Anyone completely serious about a refusal to use nonfree tools for making donations will send a check in the mail, literally. I raised the point about FSF using PayPal months ago, when this thread started. The response was thunderous silence. I don't like PP as a company. Its profits finance the activities of some truly repugnant people. The JS connection widget is about the most innocuous bit of that company. I only use PP when a CC won't work - mostly, buying overseas, which purchases my bank blocks without exception. No business from which I purchase regularly uses any other payment service. That's the reality of the commercialization of the internet. It blows chunks, but here we are. I don't want to hear about ethical purity from people using products made by Apple, one of the most corrupt and corrupting companies on the planet; or, from those who shop at Amazon - ditto. I've never purchased a book from Amazon, but three times I've purchased products through its "marketplace," and I used to subscribe to its Prime video service. I don't buy products made in China (e.g., clothes, ceramics). But, it's impossible to write this message without using products made there. These kinds of casual lapses of ethical behavior are organic to our present network design. If someone finds a payment processor that uses free software, and is available for users in the US, I certainly will sign up for it. That the FSF isn't using one suggests such services are thin on the ground, or nonexistent. Thanks. mp -- "Do not neglect to do good, and to share what you have." - Hebrews 13:16a Michael Powe Naugatuck CT USA po...@ctpowe.net
Re: Org Agenda Error
hello, Thank you for the followup. Yes, I should have mentioned that the date is correctly updated following the error. Very odd, considering the text of the error message. Thanks. mp On 6/12/2022 13:46, Bhavin Gandhi wrote: Hello Michael On Sun, 12 Jun 2022 at 21:20, Michael Powe wrote: [MP] Error in post-command-hook (org-add-log-note): (error "Can’t expand minibuffer to full frame") [MP] 10 repeater intervals were not enough to shift date past today. Continue? (y or n) y I have been seeing these with my repeating tasks recently, and took this bug report as an opportunity to see if I can reproduce it with emacs -Q. 1. emacs -Q 2. Create test.org with following content * TODO Repeating entry SCHEDULED: <2022-05-01 Mon ++2d> 3. C-c C-t on the entry, shows the above error. And shifts the scheduled date correctly. This happens on the Org mode version bundled with Emacs 28.1 i.e. release_9.5.2-25-gaf6f12. And with latest main: release_9.5.4-544-gae168d -- Bhavin Gandhi (bhavin192) | https://geeksocket.in -- "Do not neglect to do good, and to share what you have." - Hebrews 13:16a Michael Powe Naugatuck CT USA po...@ctpowe.net
Org Agenda Error
Hello, Not sure if this qualifies as a bug. This occurred when discarding an agenda item that was more than 60 days overdue. (The repeater is 6 days.) I imagine most people take better care of their agenda. ;-) TODO state changed to DISCARDED TODO state changed to TODO [MP] Error in post-command-hook (org-add-log-note): (error "Can’t expand minibuffer to full frame") [MP] 10 repeater intervals were not enough to shift date past today. Continue? (y or n) y Entry repeats: SCHEDULED: <2022-06-16 Thu ++6d> The two items I initialed travel together. I got this message several times. * Org mode version 9.5.4 (release_9.5.4-535-ged6f8d.dirty @ c:/Users/micha/AppData/Roaming/.emacs.d/org-new/org-mode/lisp/) * GNU Emacs 29.0.50 (build 2, x86_64-w64-mingw32) of 2022-06-09 Thanks. mp -- "Do not neglect to do good, and to share what you have." - Hebrews 13:16a Michael Powe Naugatuck CT USA po...@ctpowe.net
Re: Links to javascript-based websites from orgmode.org: Paypal and Github
On 2/28/2022 00:41, Richard Stallman wrote: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider > ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, > ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's > example. ]]] > > The FSF accepts credit card payments without Javascript, thanks to a > special arrangement with a credit card processor. But it is not > easy to get a credit card processor to accept you as a client that > way. > Hmm, well, perhaps you're thinking of a different issue. I'm referring to PayPal. https://my.fsf.org/donate The text on the page is: "PayPal (not recommended: requires nonfree JavaScript)" My personal dislike of PP has nothing to do with the status of its page code, and everything to do with its corporate ethical code. I don't have money on account there.When buying overseas, I use PP as a routing agent to mask from my bank the destination of my CC charges. Org will tread its own path on this. My feeling is that there's more at stake than Euros. But, I'm just a user. mp -- "Do not neglect to do good, and to share what you have." - Hebrews 13:16a Michael Powe Naugatuck CT USA po...@ctpowe.net
Re: Links to javascript-based websites from orgmode.org: Paypal and Github
On 2/27/2022 07:58, Timothy wrote: Hi Max, I guess we shall remove references to non-free software (like the Sublime Text editor - I will do this later on.) Frankly speaking, I never considered mention of sublime text in such context as endorsing it. Even though such linking might cause transition in both direction, I thought it was targeting mostly current sublime users. I believed that: - It makes first step toward using Org easier since such possibility becomes discoverable through search engines. - It reduces friction in heterogeneous teams when an Emacs user proposes to use Org markup. Later demonstrating features of real Org Mode may become a convincing argument to try GNU Emacs. My 2c: I think being overly zealous with this is a bad idea. We need to meet people where they are, not where we want them to be. Hello, Second that emotion. I iterate a previous message I wrote: FSF has a PayPal link on its donations page. I don't think org needs to compete for the "purity" prize. The amount of money is less important than letting people express their support for the software, by voting with their wallet. I live in the US. My bank is local. I can't make purchases outside the US without pre-clearing them with the bank -- unless I use PayPal. The latter is my choice. Everyone has their threshold of inconvenience. Mine happens to be getting on the phone with the bank every time I want to press the "buy" (or "donate") button. Re: VS Code. Many extensions are copyrighted by their creators (e.g., Oracle, Salesforce). I know nothing about the legalese of copyright notices. Still, I would not expect that these extensions are free in the GNU sense. Thanks. mp -- "Do not neglect to do good, and to share what you have." - Hebrews 13:16a Michael Powe Naugatuck CT USA po...@ctpowe.net
Re: Links to javascript-based websites from orgmode.org: Paypal and Github (was: Communication problems and possible problems with the website)
Hello, There's an old joke, that C allows you to blow your own foot off, and C++ allows you to blow off the whole leg. The FSF is like the C++ of the free software world. Whatever your feelings about PayPal - I avoid it like plague - it's ubiquitous in the web world of donations. In fact, you can find it on https://my.fsf.org/donate. All, or nearly all, packages that I use in Emacs are hosted on GitHub. Oh my, what's this? https://github.com/emacs-mirror/emacs! Say it isn't so! Years ago, the Debian team started a huge dust-up by threatening to exclude GCC documentation from its distribution because its license wasn't "free enough." Let's not drive down that road. We didn't make this world, but we live in it. Thanks. mp On 2/25/2022 10:14, Ihor Radchenko wrote: c.bu...@posteo.jp writes: Am 25.02.2022 15:18 schrieb Ihor Radchenko: Org has no official GitHub page. This is partially a requirement from Free Software Foundation: https://www.gnu.org/prep/standards/standards.html#References I totally and absolute support that FSF requirement. In that case I would say org-mode does violate that requirement because there is a GitHub and a PayPal link on the landing page. And on the Worg page (which is "official" from the new users point of view) there is also a GitHub link. It does not matter that there is not code on GitHub and that this is only for sponsoring/donations. You have the link and the logo so you "promote" that stuff that the FSF do not want you to promote. Fair point. Paypal requires non-free javascript. Github as well, AFAIK. At the same time, according to GNU Coding standards: A web page recommends a program in an implicit but particularly strong way if it requires users to run that program in order to use the page. Many pages contain Javascript code which they recommend in this way. This Javascript code may be free or nonfree, but nonfree is the usual case. If the purpose for which you would refer to the page cannot be carried out without running nonfree Javascript code, then you should not refer to it. Thus, if the purpose of referring to the page is for people to view a video, or subscribing to a mailing list, and the viewing or subscribing fail to work if the user’s browser blocks the nonfree Javascript code, then don’t refer to that page. The extreme case is that of web sites which depend on nonfree Javascript code even to see the contents of the pages. Any site hosted on ‘wix.com’ has this problem, and so do some other sites. Referring people to such pages to read their contents is, in effect, urging them to run those nonfree programs—so please don’t refer to those pages. (Such pages also break the Web, so they deserve condemnation for two reasons.) While orgmode.org is not developed in the same repository with the Org mode itself, I have a gut feeling that we still have to follow GNU coding standards on the website. However, WORG contains links to various blogs, reddit, stackoverflow, and even youtube and it feels right. I notice that I am confused. I would like to hear Bastien's opinion on the topic. Best, Ihor -- "Do not neglect to do good, and to share what you have." - Hebrews 13:16a Michael Powe Naugatuck CT USA po...@ctpowe.net
"Warning: Missing format argument"
Hello, Received the following in a emacs-lisp src block. The warning was delivered after I reformatted a comment block with ESC-q. I was in the code edit buffer (C-c '). Warning (comp): org-refile.el:566:17: Warning: Missing format argument Warning (comp): org-refile.el:574:19: Warning: Missing format argument Org mode version 9.5.2 (release_9.5.2-390-g282a01.dirty @ c:/Users/micha/AppData/Roaming/.emacs.d/org-new/org-mode/lisp/) GNU Emacs 29.0.50 (build 2, x86_64-w64-mingw32) of 2022-02-10 Thanks. mp -- "Do not neglect to do good, and to share what you have." - Hebrews 13:16a Michael Powe Naugatuck CT USA po...@ctpowe.net
[BUG] org-element--cache: parser error [9.5.2 (release_9.5.2-378-g98588e.dirty @ c:/Users/micha/AppData/Roaming/.emacs.d/org-new/org-mode/lisp/)]
; :follow org-gnus-open :store org-gnus-store-link)
("docview" :follow org-docview-open :export
org-docview-export :store org-docview-store-link)
("bibtex" :follow org-bibtex-open :store
org-bibtex-store-link)
("bbdb" :follow org-bbdb-open :export org-bbdb-export
:complete org-bbdb-complete-link :store
org-bbdb-store-link)
("w3m" :store org-w3m-store-link) ("doi" :follow
org-link-doi-open :export org-link-doi-export)
("treemacs" :store treemacs-store-org-link) ("file+sys")
("file+emacs")
("shell" :follow org-link--open-shell)
("news" :follow #[514 "\301\300\302Q\"\207" ["news"
browse-url ":"] 6 "\n\n(fn URL ARG)"])
("mailto" :follow
#[514 "\301\300\302Q\"\207" ["mailto" browse-url ":"] 6
"\n\n(fn URL ARG)"])
("https" :follow #[514 "\301\300\302Q\"\207" ["https"
browse-url ":"] 6 "\n\n(fn URL ARG)"])
("http" :follow #[514 "\301\300\302Q\"\207" ["http"
browse-url ":"] 6 "\n\n(fn URL ARG)"])
("ftp" :follow #[514 "\301\300\302Q\"\207" ["ftp"
browse-url ":"] 6 "\n\n(fn URL ARG)"])
("help" :follow org-link--open-help :store
org-link--store-help)
("file" :complete org-link-complete-file) ("elisp"
:follow org-link--open-elisp))
org-fancy-priorities-list '((65 . "High") (66 . "Medium") (67 . "Low"))
org-metaup-hook '(org-babel-load-in-session-maybe)
org-src-lang-modes '(("redis" . redis) ("php" . php) ("arduino" .
arduino) ("C" . c) ("C++" . c++)
("asymptote" . asy) ("bash" . sh) ("beamer" . latex)
("calc" . fundamental) ("cpp" . c++)
("ditaa" . artist) ("dot" . fundamental) ("elisp" .
emacs-lisp) ("ocaml" . tuareg)
("screen" . shell-script) ("shell" . sh) ("sqlite" . sql))
org-superstar-item-bullet-alist '((42 . 8226) (43 . 10148) (45 . 167))
)
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Re: Shell SRC blocks under Windows
On 2/4/2022 15:15, H. Dieter Wilhelm wrote: Hello I installed the software distribution MSYS2 https://www.msys2.org/. And I'd like to call its various shells in org src blocks. First I tried to set explicit-shell-file-name but then my LaTeX exports don't work any longer. Is is it possible to extend org-mode's src blocks with org-babel-shell-names to use either MSYS2 or MinGW shells (instead of cmd.exe)? Unfortunately ob-shell.el doesn't guide me further and I can't find examples or the respective lisp files on how to define the execution functions. GNU Emacs 28.0.91 (build 1, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.22.30, cairo version 1.15.10) of 2022-01-14 Org mode version 9.4.6 (9.4.6-13-g4be129-elpaplus @ /home/dieter/.emacs.d/elpa/org-plus-contrib-20210920/) I'm not aware that I did anything special to get these results, except add `(shell . t)` to `org-babel-load-languages`. I mean, it is entirely possible that I did, in some other context. I think it's just a matter of having bash in your path. #+begin_src sh :results verbatim $SHELL --version #+end_src #+RESULTS: : GNU bash, version 5.1.8(1)-release (x86_64-pc-msys) : Copyright (C) 2020 Free Software Foundation, Inc. : License GPLv3+: GNU GPL version 3 or later <http://gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html> : : This is free software; you are free to change and redistribute it. : There is NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by law. Thanks. mp -- "Do not neglect to do good, and to share what you have." - Hebrews 13:16a Michael Powe Naugatuck CT USA po...@ctpowe.net
Re: [BUG] org-element--cache: Cache corruption [9.5, (release_9.5-255-g54da1d @, c:/Users/micha/AppData/Roaming/.emacs.d/org-new/org-mode/lisp/)]
Hello, I pulled the latest this evening. I expect we'll be fine. I wish all packages were as well-behaved as org. Thanks. mp On 11/22/2021 06:42, Ihor Radchenko wrote: Michael Powe writes: Error message: "Warning (emacs): org-element--cache: Cache corruption detected in emacs-config-prog-modes.org. Resetting. The error was: (error "rx ‘**’ range error") Backtrace: nil Please report this to Org mode mailing list"" Done. Thanks! After 17d4b31a8, you should hopefully not see this error. I am not 100% sure though. Please, followup on this thread if you keep seeing the same rx range error after update to latest main. Best, Ihor -- "Do not neglect to do good, and to share what you have." - Hebrews 13:16a Michael Powe Naugatuck CT USA po...@ctpowe.net
[BUG] org-element--cache: Cache corruption [9.5, (release_9.5-255-g54da1d @, c:/Users/micha/AppData/Roaming/.emacs.d/org-new/org-mode/lisp/)]
t;\301\300\302%4Q%2\"\207"
["mailto" browse-url ":"] 6 "\n\n(fn URL ARG)"])
("https" :follow #[514 "\301\300\302%4Q%2\"\207"
["https" browse-url ":"] 6 "\n\n(fn URL ARG)"])
("http" :follow #[514 "\301\300\302%4Q%2\"\207" ["http"
browse-url ":"] 6 "\n\n(fn URL ARG)"])
("ftp" :follow #[514 "\301\300\302%4Q%2\"\207" ["ftp"
browse-url ":"] 6 "\n\n(fn URL ARG)"])
("help" :follow org-link--open-help :store
org-link--store-help)
("file" :complete org-link-complete-file) ("elisp"
:follow org-link--open-elisp))
org-fancy-priorities-list '((65 . "High") (66 . "Medium") (67 . "Low"))
org-metaup-hook '(org-babel-load-in-session-maybe)
org-src-lang-modes '(("redis" . redis) ("php" . php) ("arduino" .
arduino) ("C" . c) ("C++" . c++) ("asymptote" . asy)
("bash" . sh) ("beamer" . latex) ("calc" . fundamental)
("cpp" . c++) ("ditaa" . artist)
("dot" . fundamental) ("elisp" . emacs-lisp) ("ocaml" .
tuareg) ("screen" . shell-script)
("shell" . sh) ("sqlite" . sql))
org-superstar-item-bullet-alist '((42 . 8226) (43 . 10148) (45 . 167))
)
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po...@ctpowe.net
Re: Fwd: [BUG] org-save-all-org-buffers reapplies startup visibility [9.5 (release_9.5 @ /usr/local/share/emacs/29.0.50/lisp/org/)]
forgot to hit 'reply all.' Forwarded Message Subject:Re: [BUG] org-save-all-org-buffers reapplies startup visibility [9.5 (release_9.5 @ /usr/local/share/emacs/29.0.50/lisp/org/)] Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2021 15:47:42 -0400 From: Michael Powe To: Bhavin Gandhi Hello, I hesitate to reply, but here's a report from Windows 10. works as expected C:\Emacs\emacs-28\bin\runemacs.exe -Q -L C:\Users\micha\AppData\Roaming\.emacs.d\elpa\org-9.5\ 'G:\My Drive\org\daily.org' GNU Emacs 28.0.50 (build 1, x86_64-w64-mingw32) of 2021-08-11 Org mode version 9.5 (9.5-g0a86ad @ c:/Users/micha/AppData/Roaming/.emacs.d/elpa/org-9.5/) Now for the bad news. does not save files at all! C:\Emacs\emacs29\bin\runemacs.exe -Q 'G:\My Drive\org\daily.org' GNU Emacs 29.0.50 (build 1, x86_64-w64-mingw32) of 2021-10-02 Org mode version 9.5 (release_9.5 @ c:/Emacs/emacs29/share/emacs/29.0.50/lisp/org/) Upon invoking the save, contents of the file shift to the left, then shift back; and that's it. HTH. mp Bhavin Gandhi wrote on 10/5/2021 13:53: > Hello Marcel, > > On Tue, 5 Oct 2021 at 19:14, Marcel van der Boom wrote: >> […] >> - emacs -Q test.org >> - make sure the outline is unfolded >> - make a change so test.org is 'dirty' >> - M-x org-save-all-org-buffers >> >> Observed behaviour: >> The outline in test.org will collapse and only show 'Header one' >> >> Expected behaviour: >> Outline state does not change on calling `org-save-all-buffers` >> > I tried to follow the above steps with Emacs 27.1, and Org mode latest > main branch as well as the release_9.5 tag. The only different step I > took was this: > > emacs -Q -L ~/src/org-mode/lisp/ ~/test.org > > When I modify the test.org and call org-save-all-org-buffers, all the > headings remain unfolded. I tried to switch to a different buffer and > called the function, but still it remained in overview state. Maybe > someone with the latest Emacs build from master can try to reproduce? > -- Sent from Postbox <https://www.postbox-inc.com> signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Error with org-update-dblock
Hello, After logging some clock time, I used the normal key combination, C-u C-c C-x C-u to update my timesheet tables, and received this error message. org-update-dblock: Symbol’s function definition is void: org-dblock-write:CLOCKTABLE This message is returned also from manually calling the function. Org mode version 9.3 (release_9.3 @ /usr/share/emacs/27.1/lisp/org/) GNU Emacs 27.1 (build 1, x86_64-suse-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.24.22, cairo version 1.16.0) Well, after recovering from my horror at losing my timesheets for a day's work, I was able to track down the problem: the function is case sensitive. At some point, (apparently) I fat-fingered a key combo & upcased the mode line for two tables. After returning them to l-case, all worked as it should. I dunno - should the function be case insensitive? I love this tool. Now that my pulse has returned to normal. Once, it even saved me from unpleasant interviews in my manager's office. Thanks. mp "Do not neglect to do good, and to share what you have." - Hebrews 13:16a Michael Powe Naugatuck CT USA po...@ctpowe.net 503.502.9582 mobile 203.490.6447 skype
