Re: [O] Fwd: comment lines inside org tables
Hello Nicolas and everyone else, I'm sorry to say this but this email list has been the most disappointing experience for me. I asked a simple question and even provided the code for a possible solution. The answers I received included phrases like "can of worms", "little benefit" and "barely scratching the surface of the problem". And now you even wrote: I am still waiting for an answer to my question if the solution with "|-/" comments that I have proposed has any negative side effects... I already answered to that question, but you discarded my answer. This is not true! You did not answer my question! Without testing, you just _speculated_ that you expect problems with formulas and export. So I tested it myself. In my tests I did _not_ experience any problems with formulas and export. Why do you claim that I discarded your answer? I still think orgmode is great code and I would have loved to participate. However, given the way that you treat me here, I lost my motivation to work with you. Instead, I will have to modify my own *.el files. Good bye... Rolf -- ------- Rolf Sander phone: [+49] 6131/305-4610 Max-Planck Institute of Chemistryemail: rolf.san...@mpic.de PO Box 3060, 55020 Mainz, Germany homepage: www.rolf-sander.net --- www.atmospheric-chemistry-and-physics.net www.geoscientific-model-development.net ---
Re: [O] Fwd: comment lines inside org tables
Hello Eric, could you not simply use the / label and then have a comment in one of the existing columns, a column that is width restricted so that a large amount of text doesn't affect alignent? You can then use the special edit mode (C-c `) for long entries to see the full comment. Thanks for the suggestion. Yes, I could do this and see something like this in emacs: |---+--+---+| | | <12> | || | | animal | size | number | |---+--+---+| | | gnus | big | 3 | | / | don't forg=> | || | | gnats| small | 1000 | |---+--+---+| The real contents of the file, however, would look very different: |---+--+---+| | | <12> | || | | animal | size | number | |---+--+---+| | | gnus | big | 3 | | / | don't forget to add elephants here: | || | | gnats| small | 1000 | |---+--+---+| Since I am sharing my table with several colleagues at work, it is important that the columns are really aligned in the file (not only when viewing the file in org-mode). Unfortunately, not all of my colleagues are using emacs... I am still waiting for an answer to my question if the solution with "|-/" comments that I have proposed has any negative side effects... Best regards Rolf -- ------- Rolf Sander phone: [+49] 6131/305-4610 Max-Planck Institute of Chemistryemail: rolf.san...@mpic.de PO Box 3060, 55020 Mainz, Germany homepage: www.rolf-sander.net --- www.atmospheric-chemistry-and-physics.net www.geoscientific-model-development.net ---
Re: [O] Fwd: comment lines inside org tables
Hello Nicolas, Allowing to comment anything is a can of worms I really don't want to open. Maybe you are misinterpreting what I wrote. I don't want to comment "anything". All I want is that a table line starting with "|-/" is not expanded to "|---+---+---|" on the next re-align. Instead, it should remain unchanged. It complicates a lot of code for little benefit. Well, regarding the benefit we seem to have different opinions. The table that I use for my work has 871 lines, 20 columns and a width of 234 characters. With such a big table, I would highly benefit from comment lines. Regarding the code, I already wrote a few lines for org-table-align adding this feature and I don't think it is too complicated. Sorry, but you're barely scratching the surface of the problem. It is quite possible that you are right. Indeed, there is a possibility that my addition has some negative side effects. To find out if this is really the case, I have written to this email list, asking for advise. Formulas don't handle these special lines, neither do exported tables. I don't understand why you say this. I have tested formulas and exporting, taking an example table from the manual and adding two comment lines. Everything still works fine: |---+-++++---+--| | | Student | Prob 1 | Prob 2 | Prob 3 | Total | Note | |---+-++++---+--| | ! | | P1 | P2 | P3 | Tot | | | # | Maximum | 10 | 15 | 25 |50 | 10.0 | | ^ | | m1 | m2 | m3 |mt | | |---+-++++---+--| |-/ students in Mr Miller's class: |---+-++++---+--| | # | Peter | 10 | 8 | 23 |41 | 8.2 | | # | Sam | 2 | 4 | 3 | 9 | 1.8 | |---+-++++---+--| |-/ students in Mr Smith's class: |---+-++++---+--| | # | Tom | 16 | 8 | 28 |52 | 10.4 | | # | Andy| 8 | 4 | 3 |15 | 3.0 | |---+-++++---+--| | | Average |||| 25.0 | | | ^ | ||||at | | | $ | max=50 |||| | | |---+-++++---+--| #+TBLFM: $6=vsum($P1..$P3)::$7=10*$Tot/$max;%.1f::$at=vmean(@-II..@-I);%.1f So I'm asking again: Does anyone see any negative side effects when my modification is introduced? It only prevents that a table line starting with "|-/" is expanded to "|---+---+---|" on a re-align. As mentioned in a previous post, if you want to test my modification, you can find it here: http://www.rolf-sander.net/tmp/org-table-align-new.el Best regards Rolf -- --- www.rolf-sander.net ---
Re: [O] Fwd: comment lines inside org tables
Hello Nicolas, Allowing to comment anything is a can of worms I really don't want to open. Maybe you are misinterpreting what I wrote. I don't want to comment "anything". All I want is that a table line starting with "|-/" is not expanded to "|---+---+---|" on the next re-align. Instead, it should remain unchanged. It complicates a lot of code for little benefit. Well, regarding the benefit we seem to have different opinions. The table that I use for my work has 871 lines, 20 columns and a width of 234 characters. With such a big table, I would highly benefit from comment lines. Regarding the code, I already wrote a few lines for org-table-align adding this feature and I don't think it is too complicated. Sorry, but you're barely scratching the surface of the problem. It is quite possible that you are right. Indeed, there is a possibility that my addition has some negative side effects. To find out if this is really the case, I have written to this email list, asking for advise. Formulas don't handle these special lines, neither do exported tables. I don't understand why you say this. I have tested formulas and exporting, taking an example table from the manual and adding two comment lines. Everything still works fine: |---+-++++---+--| | | Student | Prob 1 | Prob 2 | Prob 3 | Total | Note | |---+-++++---+--| | ! | | P1 | P2 | P3 | Tot | | | # | Maximum | 10 | 15 | 25 |50 | 10.0 | | ^ | | m1 | m2 | m3 |mt | | |---+-++++---+--| |-/ students in Mr Miller's class: |---+-++++---+--| | # | Peter | 10 | 8 | 23 |41 | 8.2 | | # | Sam | 2 | 4 | 3 | 9 | 1.8 | |---+-++++---+--| |-/ students in Mr Smith's class: |---+-++++---+--| | # | Tom | 16 | 8 | 28 |52 | 10.4 | | # | Andy| 8 | 4 | 3 |15 | 3.0 | |---+-++++---+--| | | Average |||| 25.0 | | | ^ | ||||at | | | $ | max=50 |||| | | |---+-++++---+--| #+TBLFM: $6=vsum($P1..$P3)::$7=10*$Tot/$max;%.1f::$at=vmean(@-II..@-I);%.1f So I'm asking again: Does anyone see any negative side effects when my modification is introduced? It only prevents that a table line starting with "|-/" is expanded to "|---+---+---|" on a re-align. As mentioned in a previous post, if you want to test my modification, you can find it here: http://www.rolf-sander.net/tmp/org-table-align-new.el Best regards Rolf -- --- www.rolf-sander.net ---
[O] comment lines inside org tables
Hello, I need to put comments inside a very big table which then should basically looks like this: |+---+| | animal | size | number | |+---+| | gnus | big | 3 | # don't forget to add elephants here: | gnats | small | 1000 | |+---+| However, if I simply add a line in the middle of the table, org-tbl splits it into separate tables with different column widths: |+--+| | animal | size | number | |+--+| | gnus | big | 3 | # don't forget to add elephants here: | gnats | small | 1000 | |---+---+--| If I start the comment line with "|", the comment becomes an active part of the table and goes into the first column: |-+---+| | animal | size | number | |-+---+| | gnus| big | 3 | | don't forget to add elephants here: | || | gnats | small | 1000 | |-+---+| If I start the comment with "|-", it turns into a line separator and the comment text disappears. Any suggestions? Best regards Rolf -- ------- Rolf Sander phone: [+49] 6131/305-4610 Max-Planck Institute of Chemistryemail: rolf.san...@mpic.de PO Box 3060, 55020 Mainz, Germany homepage: www.rolf-sander.net --- www.atmospheric-chemistry-and-physics.net www.geoscientific-model-development.net ---
Re: [O] Fwd: comment lines inside org tables
Hello Nicolas,
Then I don't understand what you really want. You want to comment a
row, but it's not clear wrt to what action.
I want to add a comment line into the file that does not disturb the
table. Like a "|---+---+---|" hline. I don't want any action. All
programming languages have the option to add comments to the source
code. The comment does not trigger any action, and the result of
executing the code is the same, whether with or without comment lines.
It would be nice if org-tbl would allow comment lines as well.
Anyway, in the general case, there is no way to comment a row.
Okay, so my question turns into a feature request now...
I have started to modify defun org-table-align. With the modification,
org-tbl now ignores all lines starting with "|-/". For me it works fine.
However, please let me know if you see any side-effects. You can
download the full defun here:
http://www.rolf-sander.net/tmp/org-table-align-new.el
And here is a diff to the original code:
***
diff -U 1 org-table-align-old.el org-table-align-new.el
@@ -63,4 +63,12 @@
;; At the same time, we remove trailing space.
+(setq lines0 (mapcar (lambda (l)
+ (cond ((string-match "^ *|-" l)
+ nil)
+((string-match "[ \t]+$" l)
+ (substring l 0 (match-beginning 0)))
+(t l))
+ )
+ lines))
(setq lines (mapcar (lambda (l)
- (if (string-match "^ *|-" l)
+ (if (string-match "^ *|-\\($\\|[^/]\\)" l)
nil
@@ -74,3 +82,3 @@
(org-split-string l " *| *"))
- (delq nil (copy-sequence lines
+ (delq nil (copy-sequence lines0
;; How many fields in the longest line?
@@ -164,5 +172,9 @@
(lambda (l)
-(if l (apply 'format rfmt
- (append (pop fields) emptystrings))
- hfmt))
+ (cond ((eq l nil)
+hfmt)
+ ((string-match "^ *|-/" l)
+(concat l "\n"))
+ (t
+(apply 'format rfmt
+ (append (pop fields) emptystrings)
lines ""))
***
Best regards
Rolf
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Re: [O] Fwd: comment lines inside org tables
Hello Nicolas, Try | | animal | size | number | | / | don't forget to add elephants here: | || Thanks for the suggestion. However, this won't help me very much. Even with the "/", the width of the "animal" column is expanded to the width of the comment, which can be very long. I could add a narrowing marker but I want to see the comments, not hide them. Best regards Rolf -- ------- Rolf Sander phone: [+49] 6131/305-4610 Max-Planck Institute of Chemistryemail: rolf.san...@mpic.de PO Box 3060, 55020 Mainz, Germany homepage: www.rolf-sander.net --- www.atmospheric-chemistry-and-physics.net www.geoscientific-model-development.net ---
[O] Fwd: Re: Fwd: comment lines inside org tables
Hello John, Use a footnote? It's just a temporary reminder right? No. Even though there are a few temporary reminders, most of the comment lines are permanent. They describe different blocks of lines. Sorry if my example was oversimplified. I thought presenting the full table (currently 871 lines, 20 columns and a width of 234 characters) would be too confusing. Maybe the following example is better: |---++| | animal| size | number | |---++| # mammals (see also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mammal): | gnus | big| 3 | | elephants | very big | 1 | # insects (see also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insect): | gnats | small | 1000 | | flies | also small | 2000 | # other: | python| long | 2.7.12 | |---++| Is there a way to tell org-tbl to simply ignore a line, without converting it into |--+--+--| ? I'm flexible with respect to the comment character. In the example I chose "#" but anything else would be fine as well, for example "//" or "|#" or whatever... Best regards Rolf -- ------- Rolf Sander phone: [+49] 6131/305-4610 Max-Planck Institute of Chemistryemail: rolf.san...@mpic.de PO Box 3060, 55020 Mainz, Germany homepage: www.rolf-sander.net --- www.atmospheric-chemistry-and-physics.net www.geoscientific-model-development.net ---
[O] Fwd: comment lines inside org tables
Hello, I need to put comments inside a very big table which then should basically looks like this: |+---+| | animal | size | number | |+---+| | gnus | big | 3 | # don't forget to add elephants here: | gnats | small | 1000 | |+---+| However, if I simply add a line in the middle of the table, org-tbl splits it into separate tables with different column widths: |+--+| | animal | size | number | |+--+| | gnus | big | 3 | # don't forget to add elephants here: | gnats | small | 1000 | |---+---+--| If I start the comment line with "|", the comment becomes an active part of the table and goes into the first column: |-+---+| | animal | size | number | |-+---+| | gnus| big | 3 | | don't forget to add elephants here: | || | gnats | small | 1000 | |-+---+| If I start the comment with "|-", it turns into a line separator and the comment text disappears. Any suggestions? Best regards Rolf -- ------- Rolf Sander phone: [+49] 6131/305-4610 Max-Planck Institute of Chemistryemail: rolf.san...@mpic.de PO Box 3060, 55020 Mainz, Germany homepage: www.rolf-sander.net --- www.atmospheric-chemistry-and-physics.net www.geoscientific-model-development.net ---
