Re: [O] [RFC] Proposal for rebindings in Org 8.3

2014-03-10 Thread Greg Troxel
Bastien writes: > | Key | Command | Proposal | Status | > |---+---+--+| > | C-c # | Checkboxes| C-c x| Free | > | C-c ~ | Cooperation | C-c

Re: [O] [RFC] Proposal for rebindings in Org 8.3

2014-02-11 Thread Bastien
Hi Sébastien, "Sebastien Vauban" writes: > Weird. I don't even see the binding in `find-func.el' (in Emacs trunk > from last week): My bad -- this is a custom keybinding of mine, I added it long ago and rediscovered it recently. It definitely deserve a keybinding of its own IMO. -- Bastie

Re: [O] [RFC] Proposal for rebindings in Org 8.3

2014-02-10 Thread Achim Gratz
Bastien writes: > So C-c : would call org-edit-src-code and C-c C-: would convert the > region to fixed-width region. You cannot enter C-: in some terminals because it would require simultaneous processing of shift and control (these terminals ignore shift while control is pressed). Regards, Ach

Re: [O] [RFC] Proposal for rebindings in Org 8.3

2014-02-10 Thread Sebastien Vauban
Bastien, Bastien wrote: > "Sebastien Vauban" writes: >> Bastien wrote: >>> (This one I knew. My own recent discovery was C-h : to directly jump >>> to the definition of a symbol. Pretty useful.) >> >> ╭ >> │ C-h : is undefined >> ╰ >> >> on my side. To what is it bound on your side

Re: [O] [RFC] Proposal for rebindings in Org 8.3

2014-02-10 Thread Bastien
"Sebastien Vauban" writes: > Bastien wrote: >> (This one I knew. My own recent discovery was C-h : to directly jump >> to the definition of a symbol. Pretty useful.) > > ╭ > │ C-h : is undefined > ╰ > > on my side. To what is it bound on your side? find-function C-h : runs the

Re: [O] [RFC] Proposal for rebindings in Org 8.3

2014-02-10 Thread Sebastien Vauban
Hello Bastien, Bastien wrote: > (This one I knew. My own recent discovery was C-h : to directly jump > to the definition of a symbol. Pretty useful.) ╭ │ C-h : is undefined ╰ on my side. To what is it bound on your side? Best regards, Seb -- Sebastien Vauban

Re: [O] [RFC] Proposal for rebindings in Org 8.3

2014-02-10 Thread Bastien
Hi Nick, Nick Dokos writes: > , > |* Don't bind `C-h' following any prefix character (including `C-c'). > | If you don't bind `C-h', it is automatically available as a help > | character for listing the subcommands of the prefix character. > ` > > That's *very* useful to me

Re: [O] [RFC] Proposal for rebindings in Org 8.3

2014-02-10 Thread Bastien
Hi Thomas, t...@tsdye.com (Thomas S. Dye) writes: > Bastien writes: > >> A few comments on the last three: >> >> - " is not a punctuation character, I find C-c " instead of C-c ' good. > > Is it true that " is not a punctuation character? It is a string in both fundamental-mode and org-mode, th

Re: [O] [RFC] Proposal for rebindings in Org 8.3

2014-02-09 Thread Thomas S. Dye
Bastien writes: > A few comments on the last three: > > - " is not a punctuation character, I find C-c " instead of C-c ' good. Is it true that " is not a punctuation character? In any event, C-c " is likely to pose the same problem as C-c '. For icicle users, C-c " will be shadowed by the ke

Re: [O] [RFC] Proposal for rebindings in Org 8.3

2014-02-09 Thread Nick Dokos
"Tim O'Callaghan" writes: >> >> Rasmus writes: >> >>> For me the following keys need shift or Alt-Gr: ^, ", `, !, ?, and >>> ~. >> >> Oh, do you really need the Alt-Gr key for `?' and `!' ? >> >> Does that mean you don't use `C-c !' or that you rarely use it? >> >> Of course, this may have nothi

Re: [O] [RFC] Proposal for rebindings in Org 8.3

2014-02-09 Thread Tim O'Callaghan
> > Rasmus writes: > >> For me the following keys need shift or Alt-Gr: ^, ", `, !, ?, and >> ~. > > Oh, do you really need the Alt-Gr key for `?' and `!' ? > > Does that mean you don't use `C-c !' or that you rarely use it? > > Of course, this may have nothing to do with the keybinding itself, >

Re: [O] [RFC] Proposal for rebindings in Org 8.3

2014-02-09 Thread Achim Gratz
Bastien writes: > What I don't understand is why keeping the right control key between > C-c and C-' is harder than releasing the control key between C-c and > ' (or " as also proposed.) My experience (which seems the same than > Nick's) is that holding the control key down is easier/faster. That

Re: [O] [RFC] Proposal for rebindings in Org 8.3

2014-02-09 Thread Bastien
Hi Samuel, Samuel Wales writes: > i meant that c-c c-' and c-c c-" are both cumbersome for those users > who press c-c by holding down the control key with the right hand and > then pressing c with the left hand. c-c ' is not cumbersome for those > users. I understand better now, thanks. What

Re: [O] [RFC] Proposal for rebindings in Org 8.3

2014-02-08 Thread Samuel Wales
hi bastien, i meant that c-c c-' and c-c c-" are both cumbersome for those users who press c-c by holding down the control key with the right hand and then pressing c with the left hand. c-c ' is not cumbersome for those users. samuel -- The Kafka Pandemic: http://thekafkapandemic.blogspot.com

Re: [O] [RFC] Proposal for rebindings in Org 8.3

2014-02-08 Thread Bastien
Samuel Wales writes: > c-c c-' is just as bad. control is a modifier key. try it! I tried it and for me it is better than C-c ' Anyway, let's try to find the best replacement. -- Bastien

Re: [O] [RFC] Proposal for rebindings in Org 8.3

2014-02-08 Thread Samuel Wales
well, almost as bad :). you have to press shift also, but that's a minor difference :).

Re: [O] [RFC] Proposal for rebindings in Org 8.3

2014-02-08 Thread Samuel Wales
On 2/8/14, Bastien wrote: > I understand. I don't think any of the proposed rebindings requires > this -- except C-c " -- but C-c C-' is better anyway. hi bastien, c-c c-' is just as bad. control is a modifier key. try it! samuel -- The Kafka Pandemic: http://thekafkapandemic.blogspot.com

Re: [O] [RFC] Proposal for rebindings in Org 8.3

2014-02-08 Thread Bastien
Hi Michael, Michael Brand writes: > With these two reasons my suggestion is to just drop the binding for > (org-update-statistics-cookies). Agreed. If noone objects, I'll remove C-c #. -- Bastien

Re: [O] [RFC] Proposal for rebindings in Org 8.3

2014-02-08 Thread Bastien
Hi Samuel, Samuel Wales writes: > any sequence where one step is on one side and another step is on the > other side is fine unless they are both shifted. I understand. I don't think any of the proposed rebindings requires this -- except C-c " -- but C-c C-' is better anyway. -- Bastien

Re: [O] [RFC] Proposal for rebindings in Org 8.3

2014-02-08 Thread Bastien
Rasmus writes: > For me the following keys need shift or Alt-Gr: ^, ", `, !, ?, and > ~. Oh, do you really need the Alt-Gr key for `?' and `!' ? Does that mean you don't use `C-c !' or that you rarely use it? Of course, this may have nothing to do with the keybinding itself, but I'm curious.

Re: [O] [RFC] Proposal for rebindings in Org 8.3

2014-02-08 Thread Bastien
Hi Nick, Nick Dokos writes: > On a QWERTY keyboard or Dvorak keyboard, " requires Shifting, so you > have to switch horses midstream (first Control, then SHift). Not sure > about anybody else, but those are the most problematic key sequences for > me. I would much prefer C-c C-': you just keep t

Re: [O] [RFC] Proposal for rebindings in Org 8.3

2014-02-07 Thread Samuel Wales
i'd like to point out that some of these bindings are problematic on qwerty in a way that is not obvious to many users. many people use shifting keys on both sides of the keyboard. they do not issue the control of control g using left hand. that is a bad idea. instead, they hold down the right

Re: [O] [RFC] Proposal for rebindings in Org 8.3

2014-02-07 Thread Rasmus
Nick Dokos writes: > Bastien writes: > >> The purpose is to be polite with minor modes and to not use >> C-c [:punct:] keybindings, as recommended in the Elisp manual. >> >> This is related to the issues reported here: >> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-orgmode/2014-01/msg00866.html >> h

Re: [O] [RFC] Proposal for rebindings in Org 8.3

2014-02-07 Thread Nick Dokos
Bastien writes: > The purpose is to be polite with minor modes and to not use > C-c [:punct:] keybindings, as recommended in the Elisp manual. > > This is related to the issues reported here: > http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-orgmode/2014-01/msg00866.html > http://article.gmane.org/gmane.

Re: [O] [RFC] Proposal for rebindings in Org 8.3

2014-02-07 Thread Michael Brand
Hi Bastien On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 11:32 AM, Bastien wrote: > | C-c # | Checkboxes| C-c x| Free | I did not know "C-c #" (org-update-statistics-cookies) because for me it is easier to remember and therefore I always used this: Go to cookie and do "C-c C-c". A

Re: [O] [RFC] Proposal for rebindings in Org 8.3

2014-02-07 Thread Bastien
Thanks for your feedback. "Sebastien Vauban" writes: >> - use C-c < for selecting the whole subtree, which is consistent >> with the use of `<' as a speedy command for doing the same. > > You put the finger on one important note to me: that speed commands are > "the same" as their longer

Re: [O] [RFC] Proposal for rebindings in Org 8.3

2014-02-07 Thread Sebastien Vauban
Bastien wrote: > The purpose is to be polite with minor modes and to not use > C-c [:punct:] keybindings, as recommended in the Elisp manual. > > This is related to the issues reported here: > http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-orgmode/2014-01/msg00866.html > http://article.gmane.org/gmane.ema

[O] [RFC] Proposal for rebindings in Org 8.3

2014-02-07 Thread Bastien
The purpose is to be polite with minor modes and to not use C-c [:punct:] keybindings, as recommended in the Elisp manual. This is related to the issues reported here: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-orgmode/2014-01/msg00866.html http://article.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode/82010 Here is