Re: [O] Org-mode exporters licensing

2015-08-02 Thread Nicolas Goaziou
Hello, Marcin Borkowski mb...@mbork.pl writes: And I do not. I suspect that many authors don't care, and use GPL (or BSD, or other license) just so that they don't have to write a license themselves. Of course, this is only my suspicion, and I might be totally wrong. As a data point, in

Re: [O] Org-mode exporters licensing

2015-07-28 Thread Robert Klein
On Mon, 27 Jul 2015 20:49:05 +0200 Marcin Borkowski mb...@mbork.pl wrote: On 2015-07-27, at 20:30, Daniele Nicolodi dani...@grinta.net wrote: On 27/07/15 20:20, Marcin Borkowski wrote: On 2015-07-27, at 20:02, Daniele Nicolodi dani...@grinta.net wrote: On 27/07/15 19:42, Marcin

Re: [O] Org-mode exporters licensing

2015-07-27 Thread Marcin Borkowski
On 2015-07-27, at 11:31, Eric S Fraga e.fr...@ucl.ac.uk wrote: On Monday, 27 Jul 2015 at 10:59, Marcin Borkowski wrote: [...] See how stupid this whole copyright law swamp is? What if I reuse just the basic structure of sentences in the docstrings, like in Subject + verb + preposition +

Re: [O] Org-mode exporters licensing

2015-07-27 Thread Marcin Borkowski
On 2015-07-27, at 11:46, Eric S Fraga e.fr...@ucl.ac.uk wrote: On Monday, 27 Jul 2015 at 11:05, Marcin Borkowski wrote: [...] Frankly speaking, I'm rather astonished at your and Eric's answers. I treated my question as a formality, and expected answers like Of course you can do it, don't

Re: [O] Org-mode exporters licensing

2015-07-27 Thread Rasmus
Oleh Krehel ohwoeo...@gmail.com writes: If anywhere in your code there's (require 'org), you have to release your code under GPL. Are you sure about that? By this logic, *any* .el file should be GPL as they use (defun ·), implicitly loaded from byte-run. Rasmus -- Lasciate ogni speranza o

Re: [O] Org-mode exporters licensing

2015-07-27 Thread Oleh Krehel
Rasmus ras...@gmx.us writes: Oleh Krehel ohwoeo...@gmail.com writes: If anywhere in your code there's (require 'org), you have to release your code under GPL. Are you sure about that? By this logic, *any* .el file should be GPL as they use (defun ·), implicitly loaded from byte-run. I'm

Re: [O] Org-mode exporters licensing

2015-07-27 Thread Daniele Nicolodi
On 27/07/15 14:42, Greg Troxel wrote: Daniele Nicolodi dani...@grinta.net writes: On 27/07/15 13:52, Marcin Borkowski wrote: I disagree. Licensing a tutorial with GPL is a stupid thing to do. A tutorial may contain code which people naturally mimic (or even copy). Such things should

Re: [O] Org-mode exporters licensing

2015-07-27 Thread Oleh Krehel
Marcin Borkowski mb...@mbork.pl writes: I'm preparing a tutorial on writing Org-mode exporters. To this end, I'm writing a (simplistic) Oddmuse/WikiCreole exporter. Rather obviously, I'm modeling it on existing exporters (mainly ox-latex), which seem to share a lot of structure (function

Re: [O] Org-mode exporters licensing

2015-07-27 Thread Greg Troxel
Daniele Nicolodi dani...@grinta.net writes: On 27/07/15 13:52, Marcin Borkowski wrote: I disagree. Licensing a tutorial with GPL is a stupid thing to do. A tutorial may contain code which people naturally mimic (or even copy). Such things should definitely be in PD. [many excellent

Re: [O] Org-mode exporters licensing

2015-07-27 Thread Daniele Nicolodi
On 27/07/15 14:25, Oleh Krehel wrote: Rasmus ras...@gmx.us writes: Oleh Krehel ohwoeo...@gmail.com writes: If anywhere in your code there's (require 'org), you have to release your code under GPL. Are you sure about that? By this logic, *any* .el file should be GPL as they use (defun

Re: [O] Org-mode exporters licensing

2015-07-27 Thread Daniele Nicolodi
On 27/07/15 13:52, Marcin Borkowski wrote: I disagree. Licensing a tutorial with GPL is a stupid thing to do. A tutorial may contain code which people naturally mimic (or even copy). Such things should definitely be in PD. As yourself pointed out in one of your emails, in many legal

Re: [O] Org-mode exporters licensing

2015-07-27 Thread Achim Gratz
Marcin Borkowski writes: I'm preparing a tutorial on writing Org-mode exporters. To this end, I'm writing a (simplistic) Oddmuse/WikiCreole exporter. Rather obviously, I'm modeling it on existing exporters (mainly ox-latex), which seem to share a lot of structure (function names and

Re: [O] Org-mode exporters licensing

2015-07-27 Thread Marcin Borkowski
On 2015-07-27, at 14:52, Daniele Nicolodi dani...@grinta.net wrote: On 27/07/15 14:42, Greg Troxel wrote: Daniele Nicolodi dani...@grinta.net writes: On 27/07/15 13:52, Marcin Borkowski wrote: I disagree. Licensing a tutorial with GPL is a stupid thing to do. A tutorial may contain

Re: [O] Org-mode exporters licensing

2015-07-27 Thread Daniele Nicolodi
On 27/07/15 19:42, Marcin Borkowski wrote: That I've already learned. OTOH, one of the reasons to use PD might be that I explicitly state that I object the legal system I live in. (Mind you: I'm not an anarchist, and I'm very far from that. But this system is almost unbearable.) This

Re: [O] Org-mode exporters licensing

2015-07-27 Thread Marcin Borkowski
On 2015-07-27, at 14:17, Daniele Nicolodi dani...@grinta.net wrote: On 27/07/15 13:52, Marcin Borkowski wrote: I disagree. Licensing a tutorial with GPL is a stupid thing to do. A tutorial may contain code which people naturally mimic (or even copy). Such things should definitely be in PD.

Re: [O] Org-mode exporters licensing

2015-07-27 Thread Marcin Borkowski
On 2015-07-27, at 14:50, Daniele Nicolodi dani...@grinta.net wrote: I'm not sure that using an interpreter for running some code classifies as linking, but I don't know of any official statement on the subject. On the other hand, Elisp is an extension language for a GPL program, thus it may

Re: [O] Org-mode exporters licensing

2015-07-27 Thread Marcin Borkowski
On 2015-07-27, at 20:02, Daniele Nicolodi dani...@grinta.net wrote: On 27/07/15 19:42, Marcin Borkowski wrote: That I've already learned. OTOH, one of the reasons to use PD might be that I explicitly state that I object the legal system I live in. (Mind you: I'm not an anarchist, and I'm

Re: [O] Org-mode exporters licensing

2015-07-27 Thread Marcin Borkowski
On 2015-07-27, at 14:42, Greg Troxel g...@ir.bbn.com wrote: Daniele Nicolodi dani...@grinta.net writes: On 27/07/15 13:52, Marcin Borkowski wrote: I disagree. Licensing a tutorial with GPL is a stupid thing to do. A tutorial may contain code which people naturally mimic (or even copy).

Re: [O] Org-mode exporters licensing

2015-07-27 Thread Daniele Nicolodi
On 27/07/15 20:20, Marcin Borkowski wrote: On 2015-07-27, at 20:02, Daniele Nicolodi dani...@grinta.net wrote: On 27/07/15 19:42, Marcin Borkowski wrote: That I've already learned. OTOH, one of the reasons to use PD might be that I explicitly state that I object the legal system I live

Re: [O] Org-mode exporters licensing

2015-07-27 Thread Marcin Borkowski
On 2015-07-27, at 20:30, Daniele Nicolodi dani...@grinta.net wrote: On 27/07/15 20:20, Marcin Borkowski wrote: On 2015-07-27, at 20:02, Daniele Nicolodi dani...@grinta.net wrote: On 27/07/15 19:42, Marcin Borkowski wrote: That I've already learned. OTOH, one of the reasons to use PD

[O] Org-mode exporters licensing

2015-07-27 Thread Marcin Borkowski
Hi all, I'm preparing a tutorial on writing Org-mode exporters. To this end, I'm writing a (simplistic) Oddmuse/WikiCreole exporter. Rather obviously, I'm modeling it on existing exporters (mainly ox-latex), which seem to share a lot of structure (function names and docstrings in particular).

Re: [O] Org-mode exporters licensing

2015-07-27 Thread Rasmus
Marcin Borkowski mb...@mbork.pl writes: I reuse parts of GPL'd code (as I mentioned, quite generic ones, but still). Is it fine, or should I expect a visit from EFF lawyers or something? My guess would be no. You should ask the FSF lawyers. Rasmus -- What will be next?

Re: [O] Org-mode exporters licensing

2015-07-27 Thread Marcin Borkowski
On 2015-07-27, at 10:16, Rasmus ras...@gmx.us wrote: Marcin Borkowski mb...@mbork.pl writes: I reuse parts of GPL'd code (as I mentioned, quite generic ones, but still). Is it fine, or should I expect a visit from EFF lawyers or something? My guess would be no. You should ask the FSF

Re: [O] Org-mode exporters licensing

2015-07-27 Thread Eric S Fraga
On Monday, 27 Jul 2015 at 10:06, Marcin Borkowski wrote: Hi all, I'm preparing a tutorial on writing Org-mode exporters. To this end, I'm writing a (simplistic) Oddmuse/WikiCreole exporter. Rather obviously, I'm modeling it on existing exporters (mainly ox-latex), which seem to share a lot

Re: [O] Org-mode exporters licensing

2015-07-27 Thread Marcin Borkowski
On 2015-07-27, at 10:42, Eric S Fraga e.fr...@ucl.ac.uk wrote: On Monday, 27 Jul 2015 at 10:06, Marcin Borkowski wrote: Hi all, I'm preparing a tutorial on writing Org-mode exporters. To this end, I'm writing a (simplistic) Oddmuse/WikiCreole exporter. Rather obviously, I'm modeling it

Re: [O] Org-mode exporters licensing

2015-07-27 Thread Marcin Borkowski
On 2015-07-27, at 10:35, Rasmus ras...@gmx.us wrote: Marcin Borkowski mb...@mbork.pl writes: On 2015-07-27, at 10:16, Rasmus ras...@gmx.us wrote: Marcin Borkowski mb...@mbork.pl writes: I reuse parts of GPL'd code (as I mentioned, quite generic ones, but still). Is it fine, or should I

Re: [O] Org-mode exporters licensing

2015-07-27 Thread Eric S Fraga
On Monday, 27 Jul 2015 at 10:59, Marcin Borkowski wrote: [...] See how stupid this whole copyright law swamp is? What if I reuse just the basic structure of sentences in the docstrings, like in Subject + verb + preposition + object? Do I have to use GPL then, too? ;-) And what if I reuse

Re: [O] Org-mode exporters licensing

2015-07-27 Thread Eric S Fraga
On Monday, 27 Jul 2015 at 11:05, Marcin Borkowski wrote: [...] Frankly speaking, I'm rather astonished at your and Eric's answers. I treated my question as a formality, and expected answers like Of course you can do it, don't be silly. Oh, sorry! I thought you actually did want to get some

Re: [O] Org-mode exporters licensing

2015-07-27 Thread Rasmus
Marcin Borkowski mb...@mbork.pl writes: On 2015-07-27, at 10:16, Rasmus ras...@gmx.us wrote: Marcin Borkowski mb...@mbork.pl writes: I reuse parts of GPL'd code (as I mentioned, quite generic ones, but still). Is it fine, or should I expect a visit from EFF lawyers or something? My